AFRICA

  • DamienUltra

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    Apr 22, 2012 6:35 PM GMT
    what is the first thng tht comes to your mind about africa, and also about being gay in africa. (Good and Bad)
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    Apr 22, 2012 6:40 PM GMT
    DamienUltra saidwhat is the first thng tht comes to your mind about africa, and also about being gay in africa. (Good and Bad)
    The flora, the fauna and the peoples diversity and cultures.(good)

    Politics and tribal bullshit (bad)
  • Generaleclect...

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    Apr 22, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    1) It's a vast, varied continent that people treat as one big country

    2) Attitudes about gay people and gay rights in some African nations are backwards and embarrassing, and could use some overhaul

    That said, I'd rather travel there than Jamaica any day. icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 22, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
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    This is what comes to mind when I think of Africa. Bustling markets, amazing smells and a call to prayer.

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    Apr 22, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
    giraffes
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    Apr 22, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    notadumbjock saidgiraffes


    haha, safari for me.
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    Apr 22, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
    The cradle of all civilization, the birth place of human kind (if only humanity were intelligent enough to remember that we are all from the same genetic lineage and original source...all of us), diversity, natural beauty. A continent exploited and then dissed by the entire world, who benefited from her supply. Still Africa with all of her extreme riches and deadly poverty is incredible icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 22, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
    A continent
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    Apr 22, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
    in 2009 I went to Namibia for a desert ecology and conservation biology course....it was breathtaking. we traveled for a month and camped out every night in different parks. we were led by two herpetologists, a geologist, a social scientist, and a botanist so we studied literally everything. I would kill to go back.
    took some awesome photos. this was my favorite shot
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    Apr 22, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
    Lions, elephants, giraffes, and zebras.
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    Apr 22, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    Generaleclectic said1) It's a vast, varied continent that people treat as one big country

    2) Attitudes about gay people and gay rights in some African nations are backwards and embarrassing, and could use some overhaul

    That said, I'd rather travel there than Jamaica any day. icon_razz.gif


    Too true.
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:07 AM GMT
    daviddoublebay saidI've lived and worked in most of Africa.

    A person's life means NOTHING there.

    People will slit your throat for less than a nickel.

    Other than that... South Africa has a great gay community. Had a blast there and a lot of SA guys are HOT, HOT, HOT. And.... they're pretty damn nice, too. icon_smile.gif


    Your profile says "well-educated."
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:18 AM GMT
    Mother ....

    And Morocco, because I was there... only time I set foot in Mother Africa, and stayed only six hours.. her coastline in Spain is so close to Eurasia, you can literally see the houses on the beach from the other continent...
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    Are you talking about the tourist spots of Africa, or the fucked up under belly of Africa?
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:31 AM GMT
    Snoek, biltong, and Cape Malay. Wash down with an Appletiser
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:41 AM GMT
    The nicest place on earth. Stunning beauty, amazing people, and such history. I wish my parents hadn't left, and had fought a bit harder to stay. They didn't realize what they'd left behind.

    There are rough place. But they exist in any part of the world. To be honest, it is very rare that people get violent, usually it's just theft that you have to worry about.
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:41 AM GMT
    Home (for all humanity). It's pretty self-explanatory. Africa is the origin of human history and civilization, with the first religions, social organizations, languages, cultures, and even empires. The source of the Nile, in Uganda, is literally the source of human history, and is a spot marked with a little rock island, where Lake Victoria (named after a racist English imperialist Queen) pours into the Nile, and there is an underwater spring which bubbles up. There is a Ugandan prophecy which states that when Africa's children (specifically her white children) return to the 'source', not as conquerors but as compatriots and equals, the world will enter into a new era of universal solidarity in brotherhood and sisterhood. (unlike the Kony2012 bullshit, which seeks to return to Africa with MORE guns and MORE preaching).

    Two-spirit (for gays), denoting the original connotation between many traditional African cultures and religions which saw 'gay' people as special spirits who would be elevated to prominent social positions. Our recent connection between Africa and brutality for gays is the result of our imperialism in Africa over the past several centuries, showing up with Bibles and bullets.
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    Apr 23, 2012 12:55 AM GMT
    Claystation saidAre you talking about the tourist spots of Africa, or the fucked up under belly of Africa?


    It's funny how you classify it in black and white, as either "tourist spots", which denotes, "white and western" or "fucked up underbelly", which therefore denotes, everything and everyone else, i.e., black and African. There are indeed fucked up aspects, but white Westerns are historically and presently very much involved in most of those aspects, playing the same role they have for centuries: plunderers, profiteers, pillagers and imperialists. We just call them different things now.

    So long as we - and especially gays - denote Africa as either being capable of providing a tourist resort for a gay cruise to safely dock, or otherwise "fucked up," no progress will ever be made, for we continue to see Africa in the same racist lens that we have established over the past 400 years. It espouses the same ideas that were spewed forth by "educated" white imperialists over 130 years ago to justify the colonization of Africa, a land of "backwards barbarians", marked by "tribal warfare" and "ethnic rivalries" (which we created), "uncivilized" and "evil."

    The discourse established between the West (and specifically the so-called gay rights movement) and Africa is a paternal and patronizing re-hash of old ideas which emphasize only how little WE have evolved in our efforts to reach out and understand and interact with others. The idea of lecturing to Africans about "gay rights" when we say not one word as our governments, corporations, and international organizations from the Western imperial countries continue to plunder their continent and keep them in absolute poverty... is frankly, absurd and ignorant.

    The best things gays could do to promote gay rights in Africa is to promote African self-determination and human rights in Africa for Africans. Since our nations and institutions are so central to the continued plundering and punishment of Africa and Africans, we could have a profound effect here at home in making totally illegitimate our "interventions," military campaigns, support for dictators, military "aid", corporate colonialism, IMF/World Bank programs, NGOs-as-missionaries, and other forms of domination. In so doing, gays would actually present themselves as a force which seeks not a narrow and blinded self-interest, but a human interest for all peoples in all places. Try convincing Africans then that gays are "evil." But so long as we continue to preach our own gospels and demand they implement our ideas, without actually caring about what happens to them or what we have done and continue to do to their continent and people, we will simply be perceived as another form of cultural imperialism, and WILL be rejected as such (and rightly so, I might add).

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    Apr 23, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
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    Claystation saidAre you talking about the tourist spots of Africa, or the fucked up under belly of Africa?


    It's funny how you classify it in black and white, as either "tourist spots", which denotes, "white and western" or "fucked up underbelly", which therefore denotes, everything and everyone else, i.e., black and African. There are indeed fucked up aspects, but white Westerns are historically and presently very much involved in most of those aspects, playing the same role they have for centuries: plunderers, profiteers, pillagers and imperialists. We just call them different things now.

    So long as we - and especially gays - denote Africa as either being capable of providing a tourist resort for a gay cruise to safely dock, or otherwise "fucked up," no progress will ever be made, for we continue to see Africa in the same racist lens that we have established over the past 400 years. It espouses the same ideas that were spewed forth by "educated" white imperialists over 130 years ago to justify the colonization of Africa, a land of "backwards barbarians", marked by "tribal warfare" and "ethnic rivalries" (which we created), "uncivilized" and "evil."

    The discourse established between the West (and specifically the so-called gay rights movement) and Africa is a paternal and patronizing re-hash of old ideas which emphasize only how little WE have evolved in our efforts to reach out and understand and interact with others. The idea of lecturing to Africans about "gay rights" when we say not one word as our governments, corporations, and international organizations from the Western imperial countries continue to plunder their continent and keep them in absolute poverty... is frankly, absurd and ignorant.

    The best things gays could do to promote gay rights in Africa is to promote African self-determination and human rights in Africa for Africans. Since our nations and institutions are so central to the continued plundering and punishment of Africa and Africans, we could have a profound effect here at home in making totally illegitimate our "interventions," military campaigns, support for dictators, military "aid", corporate colonialism, IMF/World Bank programs, NGOs-as-missionaries, and other forms of domination. In so doing, gays would actually present themselves as a force which seeks not a narrow and blinded self-interest, but a human interest for all peoples in all places. Try convincing Africans then that gays are "evil." But so long as we continue to preach our own gospels and demand they implement our ideas, without actually caring about what happens to them or what we have done and continue to do to their continent and people, we will simply be perceived as another form of cultural imperialism, and WILL be rejected as such (and rightly so, I might add).



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  • creature

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    Apr 23, 2012 1:03 AM GMT
    daviddoublebay said
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    daviddoublebay saidI've lived and worked in most of Africa.

    A person's life means NOTHING there.

    People will slit your throat for less than a nickel.

    Other than that... South Africa has a great gay community. Had a blast there and a lot of SA guys are HOT, HOT, HOT. And.... they're pretty damn nice, too. icon_smile.gif


    Your profile says "well-educated."



    The best neighborhoods/houses are surrounded by walls, razor-wire and private guards. Even in the poorer neighborhoods some highrise apartment buildings have razor-wire on the balconies... all the way up. And THAT'S in the cities. In the bush.... well, unless you've got the better weapon and skill... you're just dead.

    Hey.... just ask anyone who's lived there and see if they tell you any different.


    Well, I don't have to ask anyone since I've heard plenty stories from my parents. But thanks for the tip icon_rolleyes.gif

    For you to make this sweeping generalization about all of Africa and suggest a person's life means nothing there, as if they all share a contemptuous relationship, is rubbish.

    Is it surprising that the best neighborhoods/houses have walls, razor-wire and private guards? In case you didn't know, some expensive homes and neighborhoods here in America also have walls and private guards.

    As for the "bush," not all people who live in the country are looking to kill anyone outside the tribe.
  • A_1991

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    Apr 23, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    aids, ebola, monkeys, Egyptians, blood diamonds, good Ethiopian food, war torn countries, Madagascar, dutch taking over south africa, slave trade, safari's, elephants, zulu, and any other horrific event that has happen to African countries.
  • Import

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    Apr 23, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
    abject poverty, HIV, tribes, war, bloodshed, Somalia, Darfur, natural beauty, contrasting lifestyles of modern and primitive, KONY, etc
  • LJay

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    Apr 23, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    Funny this should come up. I was thinking today how little I really know about Africa and picked up a little reference book. Did not know that Ghana was founded about 400 AD. I am curious, but will never get the chance to travel to Africa. White cruelty toward blacks sickens me.
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    Apr 23, 2012 1:25 AM GMT
    I've actually been to quite a few countries in Africa, and have had some of the best travel experiences in my life... In Tanzania, took a safari tour, saw Mt. Kilamanjaro... Visiting Casablanca, Morocco and seeing the Hassan II Mosque which at sunrise, is one of the most beautiful structures I've ever seen.... In South Africa, Cape Town is quite happening. In fact there is a cute little section called De Waterkaamp, which is TOTALLY gay, and has pretty little colourful neighbourhoods. Took a blue train ride to Johannesburg, and saw some of the best South African countrysides. Yes, there is a lot of poverty on the continent, which is a shame, but for me it was a great experience viewing both facades.

    Cheers,

    Sean