The flight from conversation

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    Apr 23, 2012 12:31 AM GMT
    I found this article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/opinion/sunday/the-flight-from-conversation.html?ref=opinion

    In today's Times extremely interesting. The thesis is essentially that certain types of communication, mostly online, cause us to improperly value the humanity of the person on the other end.

    The question is: is online conversation as satisfying as real life conversation? Do you agree that online has supplanted "real" discussion?

    It is also possible---though I doubt anyone will heed this!---that there is an ethical principle to be found for more satisfying online conversation: only by properly valuing the humanity of the other participants can we expect to have an enriching debate.

  • commoncoll

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    Apr 23, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
    "As we ramp up the volume and velocity of online connections, we start to expect faster answers. To get these, we ask one another simpler questions; we dumb down our communications, even on the most important matters."

    And when this happens you have complaints of "No one is listening to me" and people are lonely when they are not alone. However, people also have the ability to present themselves as more suave, more charming, a better human being through a screen than in person.

    Despite these shortcomings, technology should not necessarily inhibit etiquette.
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    Apr 23, 2012 1:48 AM GMT
    As I posted to this guy,

    conscienti1984, when he saidIf you hit it off with your date during dinner but he treated your server like shit at the end (for no good reason) would this lower your opinion of them?


    on this thread http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2310424/

    theantijock saidOh don't worry, like the guys on internet forums, just because they treat people like shit at a restaurant doesn't mean they'd actually treat people like shit in person.


    Though, TigerTim, I do recall a time when a guy was being rude to me, I called him out on it at which point you tried to write me off as being "butt hurt" as you put it, which hardly properly values another person's feelings. Glad to see you putting more consideration into your humanity.
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    Apr 23, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
    Its kinda hard to value the good Christian Fundi "Bomb Iran Now" type and place value on that posters 'humanity'. When he displays such hypocritical ignorant and inhumane 'trolling' as this poster calls it, Sometimes a fella just has to call a dumb ass like him a dumb ass, yet apparently he's too dumb to even be embarassed by his own crap..

    This guy was removed about a year ago over such posts, so thought maybe saying less and turning such posts in as Spam will help, I don't know but once I started that, the "Bomb Iran Now" poster stopped it, but today I see things were too peacefull so he started it up again. With this site being an internationally available site, it is a bad reflection on Americans and not a bit funny.
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    Apr 23, 2012 2:22 AM GMT
    I don't think that valuing other peoples humanity precludes strongly disagreeing with them---especially if in advocating mass murder they're not properly valuing humanity themselves.

    And, in actuality, I'm not claiming to be any sort of role model. I think I post generally quite informative posts, but occasionally things irritate me (as they do most people in real life).
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    Apr 23, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidI don't think that valuing other peoples humanity precludes strongly disagreeing with them---especially if in advocating mass murder they're not properly valuing humanity themselves.

    And, in actuality, I'm not claiming to be any sort of role model. I think I post generally quite informative posts, but occasionally things irritate me (as they do most people in real life).



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    Actually I think you do quite well at being fair, we've had our disagreements, but they were handled without making enemies, I don't even remember what they were over. Ha !! so something was done right.
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    Apr 23, 2012 5:27 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidI found this article:
    In today's Times extremely interesting. The thesis is essentially that certain types of communication, mostly online, cause us to improperly value the humanity of the person on the other end.


    Yeah since some of us belong to the species Gallus gallus liberalis.icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 23, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim saidI found this article:
    In today's Times extremely interesting. The thesis is essentially that certain types of communication, mostly online, cause us to improperly value the humanity of the person on the other end.


    Yeah since some of us belong to the species Gallus gallus liberalis.icon_lol.gif


    Well you always write very good posts, q1w2e3.
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    Apr 23, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim saidI found this article:
    In today's Times extremely interesting. The thesis is essentially that certain types of communication, mostly online, cause us to improperly value the humanity of the person on the other end.


    Yeah since some of us belong to the species Gallus gallus liberalis.icon_lol.gif


    Well you always write very good posts, q1w2e3.


    And so do you. Let's start a mutual admiration club.icon_lol.gif

    Seriously though, if I start a post, it's because it's interesting or funny to me. I try not to start or reply to any posts with a sneer or a snub which is then reciprocated by those sneered or snubbed at. This seems to be the norm nowadays in this forum, no matter what the subject. I wonder what the addiction is to start and sustain such threads. God knows there's not enough time and more things to do in life than this...which explains why I (and probably you) don't post as much as before here.
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    Apr 24, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim said
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim saidI found this article:
    In today's Times extremely interesting. The thesis is essentially that certain types of communication, mostly online, cause us to improperly value the humanity of the person on the other end.


    Yeah since some of us belong to the species Gallus gallus liberalis.icon_lol.gif


    Well you always write very good posts, q1w2e3.


    And so do you. Let's start a mutual admiration club.icon_lol.gif

    Seriously though, if I start a post, it's because it's interesting or funny to me. I try not to start or reply to any posts with a sneer or a snub which is then reciprocated by those sneered or snubbed at. This seems to be the norm nowadays in this forum, no matter what the subject. I wonder what the addiction is to start and sustain such threads. God knows there's not enough time and more things to do in life than this...which explains why I (and probably you) don't post as much as before here.


    I got very bored with this site. And nowadays I have much less time than I used to.
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    Apr 24, 2012 12:12 AM GMT
    Real life is so much more satisfying than online if you can find a decent person to talk with.

    But It's not feasible to find a decent person in the real world like it is online. You can quickly browse a blurb about 30 people by reading a topic, getting insight into which ones are your type of person, and in the real world, we need to make introductions, and excuses to say "i don't want to talk to you anymore" without actually saying that. It would take waaaay longer to get insight into 30 people in the real world.
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    Apr 24, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim said
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim saidI found this article:
    In today's Times extremely interesting. The thesis is essentially that certain types of communication, mostly online, cause us to improperly value the humanity of the person on the other end.


    Yeah since some of us belong to the species Gallus gallus liberalis.icon_lol.gif


    Well you always write very good posts, q1w2e3.


    And so do you. Let's start a mutual admiration club.icon_lol.gif

    Seriously though, if I start a post, it's because it's interesting or funny to me. I try not to start or reply to any posts with a sneer or a snub which is then reciprocated by those sneered or snubbed at. This seems to be the norm nowadays in this forum, no matter what the subject. I wonder what the addiction is to start and sustain such threads. God knows there's not enough time and more things to do in life than this...which explains why I (and probably you) don't post as much as before here.


    Agree
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    Apr 24, 2012 3:42 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim said
    q1w2e3 said
    TigerTim saidI found this article:
    In today's Times extremely interesting. The thesis is essentially that certain types of communication, mostly online, cause us to improperly value the humanity of the person on the other end.


    Yeah since some of us belong to the species Gallus gallus liberalis.icon_lol.gif


    Well you always write very good posts, q1w2e3.


    And so do you. Let's start a mutual admiration club.icon_lol.gif

    Seriously though, if I start a post, it's because it's interesting or funny to me. I try not to start or reply to any posts with a sneer or a snub which is then reciprocated by those sneered or snubbed at. This seems to be the norm nowadays in this forum, no matter what the subject. I wonder what the addiction is to start and sustain such threads. God knows there's not enough time and more things to do in life than this...which explains why I (and probably you) don't post as much as before here.


    Agree




    By all means OLD GEEZER, you should talk since your so experienced with such derogatory, distasteful and fanatical backing of war through your posts such as "BOMB IRAN NOW". Funny how fanatical christian Fundi's never relate to themselves just how rediculous their fanaticism makes them look.

    But carry on, I'm sure your christian jezuz is in full support of your love for war with Iran. Good luck with it, but just consider that those posts promoting war are an embarassment and missrepresentative of what Americans stand for. You were kicked off this site once for this kind of stuff, guess your going for twice.
  • Webster666

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    Apr 24, 2012 6:39 AM GMT
    Online conversation is not as satisfying as real life conversation.
    But, it has definitely taken the place of most face to face conversation.

    I like to see the person's face, whom I'm talking with, to appreciate their facial expressions, and hear their laughter.

    It's FAR too easy to misunderstand someone's comments, on line.
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    Apr 24, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    Never mind miscommunications with people who never learned proper pronunciation in person.

    I'm just this second off the phone with who I'm willing to bet was a young man at the insurance agent's office. I could hardly understand a fucking word he said, having to ask him to repeat himself numerous times. I have the same issue with my nephew, who has hardly any realtime friends but is usually with his face to a screen and his ear to a plug.

    A few nights ago I'm trying to talk to the kid, having to ask him to repeat almost every other line. All I heard was civil air pamumblemumblemumblemumble. I wanted to talk more with the kid but had to cut the conversation short, it was that annoying. I'll try again in a few years after he figures out how to connect his voice to his brain. I'm pretty sure there's an app for that.