University of Florida guts computer science department in budget-cutting move

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    Apr 23, 2012 4:51 PM GMT
    OK if this is indicative of the thinking that passes as thinking at administrative levels at Florida's universities, I think the wholesale privatization of state universities might be in order.

    http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/04/university-of-florida-guts-computer-science-department-in-budget-cutting-move.ars

    The University of Florida, as with many state institutions, has seen its financial support plummet over the past decade (Forbes indicates it's down 30 percent over the last six years). This has triggered a number of cuts to academic programs; this year, the cuts fell on the Computer & Information Science and Engineering Department, which is home to an active research program. Under the plan proposed by the Dean, a bit less than half of the faculty will be the Electrical and Computer Engineering Department, and a few others will be spread among three other departments.

    The faculty that's left in Computer & Information Science and Engineering will be converted into teaching only. All teaching assistants in that department will be eliminated, and their duties will be taken up by the remaining faculty. Realistically, most faculty who are actively engaged in a research program are unlikely to accept that sort of change, and will probably look for work elsewhere. Although this plan would seem to gut the department and leave its remains in chaos, the Dean concludes by stating, "this new mission would allow us to devote more faculty time to grow both the size and excellence of the Computer Science degree program."


    This was a political move - but again I think they overplayed their hand. From another site:

    It's important to note that this isn't a budget issue. The CS dept was cut by $1.7M, but the athletic department had their funding raised by $2M (total athletic budget is $99M).
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2012/04/22/university-of-florida-eliminates-computer-science-department-increases-athletic-budgets-hmm/
    Interestingly, the state government seems very supportive of STEM and has thrown $49M at the creation of Florida Polytechnic University. It seems it's merely the university administration that wants to cut it.
    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/scott-approves-states-12scott-approves-states-12th-university-florida-polytechnic-after-2317216.html


    I think there were those here who argued against the creation of another university.
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    Apr 23, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidOK if this is indicative of the thinking that passes as thinking at administrative levels at Florida's universities, I think the wholesale privatization of state universities might be in order.

    http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/04/university-of-florida-guts-computer-science-department-in-budget-cutting-move.ars

    The University of Florida, as with many state institutions, has seen its financial support plummet over the past decade (Forbes indicates it's down 30 percent over the last six years). This has triggered a number of cuts to academic programs; this year, the cuts fell on the Computer & Information Science and Engineering Department, which is home to an active research program. Under the plan proposed by the Dean, a bit less than half of the faculty will be the Electrical and Computer Engineering Department, and a few others will be spread among three other departments.

    The faculty that's left in Computer & Information Science and Engineering will be converted into teaching only. All teaching assistants in that department will be eliminated, and their duties will be taken up by the remaining faculty. Realistically, most faculty who are actively engaged in a research program are unlikely to accept that sort of change, and will probably look for work elsewhere. Although this plan would seem to gut the department and leave its remains in chaos, the Dean concludes by stating, "this new mission would allow us to devote more faculty time to grow both the size and excellence of the Computer Science degree program."


    This was a political move - but again I think they overplayed their hand. Really? says whom? Yeah it was 'political alright, but not what you think...From another site:

    It's important to note that this isn't a budget issue. The CS dept was cut by $1.7M, but the athletic department had their funding raised by $2M (total athletic budget is $99M).
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2012/04/22/university-of-florida-eliminates-computer-science-department-increases-athletic-budgets-hmm/
    Interestingly, the state government seems very supportive of STEM and has thrown $49M at the creation of Florida Polytechnic University. It seems it's merely the university administration that wants to cut it.
    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/scott-approves-states-12scott-approves-states-12th-university-florida-polytechnic-after-2317216.html


    I think there were those here who argued against the creation of another university.
    Yes there was!

    The overwhelming majority of Florida residents! To include the right side of the isle.. but guess who drafted and implemented all this? Guess...icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 23, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    No .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)
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    Apr 23, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    It's Florida.
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    riddler78 said
    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
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    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif
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    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
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    riddler78 said
    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
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    Apr 23, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????
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    Apr 23, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't answer the question - in fact, you are again avoiding it. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
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    Apr 23, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't say that - in fact, you are again avoiding the question. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
    Do you have an ideological inability to read? What part of the word "nope" do you not understand in the english language? And what part of the punctuation mark "?" do you not understand?
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    riddler78 said
    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't say that - in fact, you are again avoiding the question. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
    Do you have an ideological inability to read? What part of the word "nope" do you not understand in the english language? And what part of the punctuation mark "?" do you not understand?


    What did you answer "nope" to? so I am supposed to pick out random responses out of a response to something else entirely? Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't say that - in fact, you are again avoiding the question. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
    Do you have an ideological inability to read? What part of the word "nope" do you not understand in the english language? And what part of the punctuation mark "?" do you not understand?


    What did you answer "nope" to? so I am supposed to pick out random responses out of a response to something else entirely? Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?
    " "Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?"

    Did i say that? Nope"


    Your disingenuousness is really really blatant.
    Why is it so difficult for you to be honest?
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't say that - in fact, you are again avoiding the question. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
    Do you have an ideological inability to read? What part of the word "nope" do you not understand in the english language? And what part of the punctuation mark "?" do you not understand?


    What did you answer "nope" to? so I am supposed to pick out random responses out of a response to something else entirely? Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?
    " "Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?"

    Did i say that? Nope"


    Your disingenuousness is really really blatant.
    Why is it so difficult for you to be honest?


    So you're saying that the Governor is the man responsible for the cuts or isn't he? What are you saying?

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    [Note that I'm just having fun now - it's clear that you are unwilling to answer this question for ideological and partisan reasons. How difficult would it really have been for you simply to say - you know what? The University was stupid, as is the governor. A pox to both their houses. Instead, you are insistent in pointing all blame and responsibility on the Governor or Republicans as you put it. How stupid you must be.]
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't say that - in fact, you are again avoiding the question. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
    Do you have an ideological inability to read? What part of the word "nope" do you not understand in the english language? And what part of the punctuation mark "?" do you not understand?


    What did you answer "nope" to? so I am supposed to pick out random responses out of a response to something else entirely? Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?
    " "Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?"

    Did i say that? Nope"


    Your disingenuousness is really really blatant.
    Why is it so difficult for you to be honest?


    So you're saying that the Governor is the man responsible for the cuts or isn't he? What are you saying?

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    [Note that I'm just having fun now - it's clear that you are unwilling to answer this question for ideological and partisan reasons. How difficult would it really have been for you simply to say - you know what? The University was stupid, as is the governor. Yer finally getting smart! A pox to both their houses. Instead, you are insistent in pointing all blame and responsibility on the Governor or Republicans as you put it. Now yer getting 'partisan blind' uniformed and stupid. How stupid you must be.]
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

    Or, you could actually be honest for once.icon_wink.gif


    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't say that - in fact, you are again avoiding the question. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
    Do you have an ideological inability to read? What part of the word "nope" do you not understand in the english language? And what part of the punctuation mark "?" do you not understand?


    What did you answer "nope" to? so I am supposed to pick out random responses out of a response to something else entirely? Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?
    " "Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?"

    Did i say that? Nope"


    Your disingenuousness is really really blatant.
    Why is it so difficult for you to be honest?


    So you're saying that the Governor is the man responsible for the cuts or isn't he? What are you saying?

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    [Note that I'm just having fun now - it's clear that you are unwilling to answer this question for ideological and partisan reasons. How difficult would it really have been for you simply to say - you know what? The University was stupid, as is the governor. Yer finally getting smart! A pox to both their houses. Instead, you are insistent in pointing all blame and responsibility on the Governor or Republicans as you put it. Now yer getting 'partisan blind' uniformed and stupid. How stupid you must be.]
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    Thank you, so now you acknowledge implicitly that you never did answer my question.

    So I ask again: for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?
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    GQjock saidNo .... It's NOT electing republicans for Governor give big tax breaks to the wealthy and cut education funding to do it

    Now THAT would be a positive step in the right direction


    Ah so you are saying that the Governor is personally responsible for the administration for University of Florida - specifically for the choice of dramatically reducing staff in computer science?
    He is personally responsible for creating the 12th university while publicly saying that the first 11 we cannot afford.(which is true)


    Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?
    Did i say that? Nope.. quit putting statements in my posts that dont exist.. Now, answer the question I first posed to you. Or avoid the ones you really have no knowledge on as usual..

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    Ah so now you're trying to create a side show. What kind of make believe world do you live in? I mean clearly you portray yourself as far more educated in this matters so I will defer to you.

    I ask you again, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    I note you refused to answer my question.
    can you now see the 'answer' to your question? Now.. where's the answer to mine?????????


    Actually no, you didn't say that - in fact, you are again avoiding the question. Do you have an ideological inability to read?

    What you responded to there was that you disagree that's your position. So again I ask again, since you hold yourself out as an expert/knowledgeable on the issue, who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    By the way, if you want questions answered, perhaps you should ask them.
    Do you have an ideological inability to read? What part of the word "nope" do you not understand in the english language? And what part of the punctuation mark "?" do you not understand?


    What did you answer "nope" to? so I am supposed to pick out random responses out of a response to something else entirely? Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?
    " "Ah - so you acknowledge that it wasn't the Governor who made the decision to axe much of the Computer science while the university increased the budget to the sports program by 2M?"

    Did i say that? Nope"


    Your disingenuousness is really really blatant.
    Why is it so difficult for you to be honest?


    So you're saying that the Governor is the man responsible for the cuts or isn't he? What are you saying?

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    [Note that I'm just having fun now - it's clear that you are unwilling to answer this question for ideological and partisan reasons. How difficult would it really have been for you simply to say - you know what? The University was stupid, as is the governor. Yer finally getting smart! A pox to both their houses. Instead, you are insistent in pointing all blame and responsibility on the Governor or Republicans as you put it. Now yer getting 'partisan blind' uniformed and stupid. How stupid you must be.]
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    Thank you, so now you acknowledge implicitly that you never did answer my question.

    So I ask again: for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?
    Ill make it seriously elementary for you..

    The answer to your question is

    DUMBASSES!

    Now, who the fuck legislated the 12th and the most unaffordable 'university' In FL? And do you know ANYTHING of the 'politics' behind this debacle?

    I expect TWO (2) answers. and NO avoidance nor beating around any bush.

    The answers are both, ONE (1) word answers.
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    TropicalMark saidIll make it seriously elementary for you..

    The answer to your question is

    DUMBASSES!

    Now, who the fuck legislated the 12th and the most unaffordable 'university' In FL? And do you know ANYTHING of the 'politics' behind this debacle?

    I expect TWO (2) answers. and NO avoidance nor beating around any bush.

    The answers are both, ONE (1) word answers.


    Ah - any specific "dumbasses"? Please clarify. That's just like saying "people". Perhaps you aren't familiar with making a budget. But a budget necessitates that tradeoffs be made and choices be made.

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    Incidentally, you are such a hypocrite - I'd even go so far to say delusional, but at least you are entertaining at times.
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    TropicalMark saidIll make it seriously elementary for you..

    The answer to your question is

    DUMBASSES!

    Now, who the fuck legislated the 12th and the most unaffordable 'university' In FL? And do you know ANYTHING of the 'politics' behind this debacle?

    I expect TWO (2) answers. and NO avoidance nor beating around any bush.

    The answers are both, ONE (1) word answers.


    Ah - any specific "dumbasses"? Please clarify. That's just like saying "people". Perhaps you aren't familiar with making a budget. But a budget necessitates that tradeoffs be made and choices be made.

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    Incidentally, you are such a hypocrite - I'd even go so far to say delusional, but at least you are entertaining at times.
    Again the total avoidance of answering a question you have absolutely no knowledge of.

    The 'dumbasses' referred to are the university 'president' and those that are party to the budget process, namely the 16 deans that comprise the university colleges!

    The hypocrite here is YOU. Keep avoiding those mounting questions you refuse to answer......................... You can't answer them can you?
    I think I know why as does everyone reading this!
    Your ass is getting whipped.. you should just quit!
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    TropicalMark saidIll make it seriously elementary for you..

    The answer to your question is

    DUMBASSES!

    Now, who the fuck legislated the 12th and the most unaffordable 'university' In FL? And do you know ANYTHING of the 'politics' behind this debacle?

    I expect TWO (2) answers. and NO avoidance nor beating around any bush.

    The answers are both, ONE (1) word answers.


    Ah - any specific "dumbasses"? Please clarify. That's just like saying "people". Perhaps you aren't familiar with making a budget. But a budget necessitates that tradeoffs be made and choices be made.

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    Incidentally, you are such a hypocrite - I'd even go so far to say delusional, but at least you are entertaining at times.
    Again the total avoidance of answering a question you have absolutely no knowledge of.

    The 'dumbasses' referred to are the university 'president' and those that are party to the budget process, namely the 16 deans that comprise the university colleges!


    Finally, thank you. Now we can get somewhere. Florida's governor approved the budget the Republican congress sent to him.

    Here's the thing about university education though. As you may or may not be aware, the cost of education across all states in the US has risen dramatically without commensurate improvements in quality or volume output. It's a serious problem - and yet, legislatures are unable to reduce these costs directly because it's not under their purview.

    Have a read of this:
    http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/bloated-administration-fuels-college-costs

    While enrollment at the nation's leading universities grew an average of 15 percent from 1993 to 2007, the number of full-time administrators per 100 students ballooned by 39 percent, said Jay P. Greene, a senior fellow with the conservative Goldwater Institute of Arizona.

    "Inflation-adjusted spending on administration per student increased by 61 percent during the same period, while instructional spending per student rose 39 percent," wrote Greene, who also heads the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas. [...]

    "The large and increasing rate of government subsidy for higher education facilitates administrative bloat by insulating students from the costs. Reducing government subsidies would do much to make universities more efficient," Greene concluded.

    Florida's universities, which are imposing double-digit tuition increases this fall to raise revenue, experienced a historic growth spurt during the period studied by Greene.


    Now you may or may not agree with the report or the authors but it's not the only one. The rise in the cost of public education can be directly pointed to the cost of supporting the benefits of employees (ie mostly pensions these days), and secondly, the rise in the administrative staff. Something has to give - and that's what's happening.
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    Now you may or may not agree with the report or the authors but it's not the only one. The rise in the cost of public education can be directly pointed to the cost of supporting the benefits of employees (ie mostly pensions these days), and secondly, the rise in the administrative staff. Something has to give - and that's what's happening.
    And you are going to sit here and ignore the fact that this republican over controlled house and senate AND governor just created ANOTHER university? And that's the "give"? You have to be insane. utterly insane!
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    TropicalMark saidIll make it seriously elementary for you..

    The answer to your question is

    DUMBASSES!

    Now, who the fuck legislated the 12th and the most unaffordable 'university' In FL? And do you know ANYTHING of the 'politics' behind this debacle?

    I expect TWO (2) answers. and NO avoidance nor beating around any bush.

    The answers are both, ONE (1) word answers.


    Ah - any specific "dumbasses"? Please clarify. That's just like saying "people". Perhaps you aren't familiar with making a budget. But a budget necessitates that tradeoffs be made and choices be made.

    Again, I ask you for clarity then: who was responsible for making the choice to cut the Computer Science department over say any other department and to increase the sports funding at the same time by more than the cut amount?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer this simple question clearly?

    Incidentally, you are such a hypocrite - I'd even go so far to say delusional, but at least you are entertaining at times.
    Again the total avoidance of answering a question you have absolutely no knowledge of.

    The 'dumbasses' referred to are the university 'president' and those that are party to the budget process, namely the 16 deans that comprise the university colleges!


    Finally, thank you. Now we can get somewhere. Florida's governor approved the budget the Republican congress sent to him.

    Here's the thing about university education though. As you may or may not be aware, the cost of education across all states in the US has risen dramatically without commensurate improvements in quality or volume output. It's a serious problem - and yet, legislatures are unable to reduce these costs directly because it's not under their purview. Explain then the "new 12th Florida University" and you tell me what legislature's purview its under and what was the party of this legislature and their battle cry. C'mon lets hear you say it.

    Have a read of this:
    http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/bloated-administration-fuels-college-costs

    While enrollment at the nation's leading universities grew an average of 15 percent from 1993 to 2007, the number of full-time administrators per 100 students ballooned by 39 percent, said Jay P. Greene, a senior fellow with the conservative Goldwater Institute of Arizona.

    "Inflation-adjusted spending on administration per student increased by 61 percent during the same period, while instructional spending per student rose 39 percent," wrote Greene, who also heads the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas. [...]

    "The large and increasing rate of government subsidy for higher education facilitates administrative bloat by insulating students from the costs. Reducing government subsidies would do much to make universities more efficient," Greene concluded.

    Florida's universities, which are imposing double-digit tuition increases this fall to raise revenue, experienced a historic growth spurt during the period studied by Greene.


    Now you may or may not agree with the report or the authors but it's not the only one. The rise in the cost of public education can be directly pointed to the cost of supporting the benefits of employees (ie mostly pensions these days), and secondly, the rise in the administrative staff. Something has to give - and that's what's happening.
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    riddler78 said

    Now you may or may not agree with the report or the authors but it's not the only one. The rise in the cost of public education can be directly pointed to the cost of supporting the benefits of employees (ie mostly pensions these days), and secondly, the rise in the administrative staff. Something has to give - and that's what's happening.
    And you are going to sit here and ignore the fact that this republican over controlled house and senate AND governor just created ANOTHER university? And that's the "give"? You have to be insane. utterly insane!


    For clarification - it's not entirely new? It's basically separating USF Polytechnic and creating it's own university with a focus on STEM fields? So what is the incremental cost of this new university given that this also means that USF's funding will be reduced?

    I have no opinion on the new university. I do however think that to cut a field that is actually promising versus say gender studies or many in the humanities is more than a little insane. I also think there is much bloat in higher education - particularly public education - that can and should be redirected to classrooms or research.
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    Apr 23, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH saidMark---

    Why do you continue to engage the Ridiot? He's only here to provoke. He knows nothing and understands less; that you're aware of already.

    So why bother? Stop feeding the troll.
    Its fun exposing him to his bullshit! his pompous ass needs to be fucked somehow.. even if its not with a dick!

    There is no way he's ever admit that the GOP legislators and governor who spouted 'we cant afford this' actually went ahead and said yep lets SPEND money we dont have!