Sexual Feelings Between Men Is A Normal Aspect Of Male Psychology

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    Apr 24, 2012 8:06 AM GMT
    An interesting article by a psychotherapist / university professor lays down the theory that some forms of sexual attraction between men, even heterosexual ones, is a normal part of the male psychology.

    "...Some degree of sexual feeling between men is common enough to make it a normal aspect of male psychology. It is consistent with a core sense of a male self and occurs, [...] in men whose identities are heterosexual"

    These findings are based on a study and long-term interviews and research done by this psychotherapist (Ed Tejirian) on a number of his students.

    Here is the link for the full article:
    http://goodmenproject.com/gay-pride-special-section/objects-are-closer-than-they-appear-male-to-male-sexual-feeling/

    What do you guys think?
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    Apr 24, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    I think this study is a bit late, considering the results of the study Alfred Kinsey conducted about half a century ago:

    http://www.iub.edu/~kinsey/research/ak-hhscale.html

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    Still, it's refreshing to see a more researcher more or less confirm these results.
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    Apr 24, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    Well, it might be normal now, but probably men being attracted to men only began when man started masterbating his own dick.

    "...homosexuality...is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness."~~Sigmund Freud, circa 1935
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    Apr 24, 2012 3:24 PM GMT
    Don't need a test to tell me what normal means to me. What I do is normal for me. Don't like it, too bad. Find your normal elsewhere!
  • LJay

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    Apr 24, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    Interesting article. No surprises for folks on this forum, but a calmly put statement to the broader audience.

    Yes Kinsey and Freud have said it. And no, Yehosh, he is not trying to tell you what to think or not to think. What the article does is to put the subject into plain terms and say that we should all, regardless of persuasion, be able to deal with such thoughts. Nothing wrong with a bit of affirmation.
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    Apr 24, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    The point that this article stresses is that male-to-male attraction is a healthy part of the male psyche.

    I don't think I saw that being discussed before by Kinsey or Freud or any other psychologist
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    Apr 24, 2012 5:26 PM GMT
    weirdfishesarpeggi saidWhat do you guys think?
    I think it's just a way to perpetuate the incorrect belief that homosexuality is a choice.
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    Apr 24, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
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    weirdfishesarpeggi saidWhat do you guys think?
    I think it's just a way to perpetuate the incorrect belief that homosexuality is a choice.


    I don't think it does. I think it theorizes that there is a little bit of gay in all men. hehehehe
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    Apr 24, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
    I found it pointless--very skewed "research" based on a sample of non-random, self-selected students who had happened to be in his adolescent psychology class. It is simply an article based on anecdotes that form the launchpad for pitching his new book.

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    Apr 24, 2012 6:27 PM GMT
    weirdfishesarpeggi said
    paulflexes said
    weirdfishesarpeggi saidWhat do you guys think?
    I think it's just a way to perpetuate the incorrect belief that homosexuality is a choice.


    I don't think it does. I think it theorizes that there is a little bit of gay in all men. hehehehe
    Exactly the point. And it's not true. The only part of a female that excites me is the part where she has a baby that grows up to be a hot man.
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    Apr 24, 2012 7:50 PM GMT
    weirdfishesarpeggi saidThe point that this article stresses is that male-to-male attraction is a healthy part of the male psyche.

    I don't think I saw that being discussed before by Kinsey or Freud or any other psychologist


    Probably Freud was more involved in breaking ground to the field without the luxury of having had the last 70 years to elaborate.

    What's curious to me is how we went from being accepted by the accepted father of modern psychology to having our orientation classified as a disorder by DSM authors to finally being declassified as a mental disorder in 1974,a generation and a half beyond Freud. And even now,nearly two generations since declassification, we still have yet to be endowed with our human rights.

    It really shows the politicization of our sexuality, so of course as you & LJay rightfully note, we welcome all attempts of understanding & efforts to disseminate truth.

    Because even if reparations began now, the God damned bastards could never repay us in full for what they have done.
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    Apr 24, 2012 7:58 PM GMT
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    weirdfishesarpeggi saidThe point that this article stresses is that male-to-male attraction is a healthy part of the male psyche.

    I don't think I saw that being discussed before by Kinsey or Freud or any other psychologist


    Probably Freud was more involved in breaking ground to the field without the luxury of having had the last 70 years to elaborate.

    What's curious to me is how we went from being accepted by the accepted father of modern psychology to having our orientation classified as a disorder by DSM authors to finally being declassified as a mental disorder in 1974,a generation and a half beyond Freud. And even now,nearly two generations since declassification, we still have yet to be endowed with our human rights.

    It really shows the politicization of our sexuality, so of course as you & LJay rightfully note, we welcome all attempts of understanding & efforts to disseminate truth.

    Because even if reparations began now, the God damned bastards could never repay us in full for what they have done.


    On the other hand, what about all the hysteria shit he put on women?
    MUCH more maligned than men ever were......
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    Apr 24, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    We know a considerable number of straight men that would disagree with that theory.

    On another note, the Jehovah's Witnesses that came to the door told me that masturbation causes homosexuality. Yikes!

    -Doug
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    Apr 24, 2012 8:35 PM GMT
    Animus saidI think this study is a bit late, considering the results of the study Alfred Kinsey conducted about half a century ago:

    http://www.iub.edu/~kinsey/research/ak-hhscale.html

    ak-hhscale2_clip_image001.jpg

    Still, it's refreshing to see a more researcher more or less confirm these results.


    Not really what the main article is saying... But Kinsey's scale, presented visually like that, causes people looking at it to make a false assumption: that people are distributed evenly across the scale. The reality is that a huge majority clusters in the 0-2 range.
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    Apr 24, 2012 8:49 PM GMT
    turbobilly said
    theantijock said
    weirdfishesarpeggi saidThe point that this article stresses is that male-to-male attraction is a healthy part of the male psyche.

    I don't think I saw that being discussed before by Kinsey or Freud or any other psychologist


    Probably Freud was more involved in breaking ground to the field without the luxury of having had the last 70 years to elaborate.

    What's curious to me is how we went from being accepted by the accepted father of modern psychology to having our orientation classified as a disorder by DSM authors to finally being declassified as a mental disorder in 1974,a generation and a half beyond Freud. And even now,nearly two generations since declassification, we still have yet to be endowed with our human rights.

    It really shows the politicization of our sexuality, so of course as you & LJay rightfully note, we welcome all attempts of understanding & efforts to disseminate truth.

    Because even if reparations began now, the God damned bastards could never repay us in full for what they have done.


    On the other hand, what about all the hysteria shit he put on women?
    MUCH more maligned than men ever were......


    Besides that women had their civil rights endowed since suffrage, about a century ago, while we still have not, generally they outlive men, inheriting everything so they already got repaid (I realize I'm being glib as of course there is still work to do). Besides that his work was so early in the development of all we take for granted or expand upon or even correct today, we'll be saying the same thing about chemo one day--as if we don't already.
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    Apr 24, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    weirdfishesarpeggi said
    paulflexes said
    weirdfishesarpeggi saidWhat do you guys think?
    I think it's just a way to perpetuate the incorrect belief that homosexuality is a choice.


    I don't think it does. I think it theorizes that there is a little bit of gay in all men. hehehehe
    Exactly the point. And it's not true. The only part of a female that excites me is the part where she has a baby that grows up to be a hot man.


    And so you're a 6 on the Kinsey scale. No where does it say you HAVE to be attracted to both sexes but acknowledge that guys usually have varying degrees of attraction for BOTH. Sexuality isn't a binary switch between homo and hetero.
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    Apr 24, 2012 8:57 PM GMT
    meninlove said We know a considerable number of straight men that would disagree with that theory.

    On another note, the Jehovah's Witnesses that came to the door told me that masturbation causes homosexuality. Yikes!

    -Doug


    Considerable number being, what? .00000000001% of the population?

    When you a guy masturbates, it's him jacking a guy off, even if that guy happens to be himself. After all, you don't get much more homo(same)sexual than getting yourself off so I can see why they might think that of masturbation.
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    Apr 24, 2012 9:08 PM GMT
    Animus said
    paulflexes said
    weirdfishesarpeggi said
    paulflexes said
    weirdfishesarpeggi saidWhat do you guys think?
    I think it's just a way to perpetuate the incorrect belief that homosexuality is a choice.


    I don't think it does. I think it theorizes that there is a little bit of gay in all men. hehehehe
    Exactly the point. And it's not true. The only part of a female that excites me is the part where she has a baby that grows up to be a hot man.


    And so you're a 6 on the Kinsey scale. No where does it say you HAVE to be attracted to both sexes but acknowledge that guys usually have varying degrees of attraction for BOTH. Sexuality isn't a binary switch between homo and hetero.


    Amen brother. I don't know whhy gays nowadays are brainwashed to believe that "straight" men could never ever be in the least bit attracted to another man.
    Like you said it's not a binary switch.
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    Apr 24, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    That's all we need is another study to convince straight-chasers that their efforts are not in vain.
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    Apr 24, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    Animus said
    meninlove said We know a considerable number of straight men that would disagree with that theory.

    On another note, the Jehovah's Witnesses that came to the door told me that masturbation causes homosexuality. Yikes!

    -Doug


    Considerable number being, what? .00000000001% of the population?

    When you a guy masturbates, it's him jacking a guy off, even if that guy happens to be himself. After all, you don't get much more homo(same)sexual than getting yourself off so I can see why they might think that of masturbation.



    There is a huge fantasy some gay men have that straight guys are 'interested' so to speak, and gets some straight guys upset or amused. A little like telling Bill or myself that we are sexually attracted to women.

    As for masturbation, that's a religious JW who told me that, in explanation as to why masturbation is a sin (aside from the spilled seed thing) and I don't buy it, nor do many other straight people we know including our straight relatives. As I said to the JW, "Doesn't that depend on what they're fantasizing about when they masturbate?"
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  • araphael

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    Apr 25, 2012 1:23 AM GMT
    Uh, Kinsey already documented this fact. So what's new about it this time?
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    Apr 25, 2012 4:43 AM GMT
    Larkin said
    Animus saidI think this study is a bit late, considering the results of the study Alfred Kinsey conducted about half a century ago:

    http://www.iub.edu/~kinsey/research/ak-hhscale.html

    ak-hhscale2_clip_image001.jpg

    Still, it's refreshing to see a more researcher more or less confirm these results.


    Not really what the main article is saying... But Kinsey's scale, presented visually like that, causes people looking at it to make a false assumption: that people are distributed evenly across the scale. The reality is that a huge majority clusters in the 0-2 range.


    I linked to the website, sort of assumed the average guy could read more about it if they cared to.

    Also, the scale isn't to describe how many men fall where, but what each number in the scale represents in the combined attraction to men or women. The white is an attraction to women and the brown is an attraction to men. The only men with exclusive attraction to either are at either end of the scale, 0 or 6. Men who fall else where have the potential to be attracted to either sex to varying degrees, as indicated by the scale.
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    Apr 25, 2012 4:56 AM GMT
    Yes this is true. It's just that most, of course, choose not to act out on these thoughts but it is normal in development.
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    Apr 25, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    weirdfishesarpeggi saidAn interesting article by a psychotherapist / university professor lays down the theory that some forms of sexual attraction between men, even heterosexual ones, is a normal part of the male psychology.

    "...Some degree of sexual feeling between men is common enough to make it a normal aspect of male psychology. It is consistent with a core sense of a male self and occurs, [...] in men whose identities are heterosexual"

    These findings are based on a study and long-term interviews and research done by this psychotherapist (Ed Tejirian) on a number of his students.

    Here is the link for the full article:
    http://goodmenproject.com/gay-pride-special-section/objects-are-closer-than-they-appear-male-to-male-sexual-feeling/

    What do you guys think?


    I think .....I KNOW ALREADY!!!

    NOW.....ASK what my PARENTS THINK?
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    Apr 25, 2012 5:07 AM GMT
    yes it is normal for us guys with same sex attraction. But I would not say all males have the ability to be bisexual, just as I could never find getting off with a women entertaining or appealing, there are guys who feel the same about man on man attraction.