Horizon Special With David Attenborough: World Population Crisis?

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    Apr 24, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
  • offshore

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    Apr 24, 2012 1:22 PM GMT
    GreenHopper said


    Of course! We were the first species to break the bound of evolution in some areas and to overcome natural population control mechanisms.

    In certain aspects, natural selection no longer applies to us. There is no law to prevent the dumb or physically defective to have offspring and continue the line of genetic defects.

    We combat epidemics and disease using our knowledge to ensure most of the population survives.

    In most developed countries, social welfare also ensures that even those with genetic defects are protected and able to grown into adult hood and able to pass on their genes.

    ON TOP OF THAT, IVF treatments allows couples that are otherwise not able to bear offspring to have children. Artificial insemination allows gays to have biological offspring.

    We have broken EVERY restriction nature put forward to restrict population size.

    We are on a sinking ship - imagine it this way, earth is an ocean liner, the passengers keep having babies after than the dying off rate. Sooner or later the ship will sink due to over weight.

    The sad thing is a lot of people never thought about it like this or don't care/ don't believe it.

    extra-planet colonisation? I will believe it when I see it...

    (I do not condone Eugenics, and just consign myself to the knowledge that we are all fucked).
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    Apr 24, 2012 1:25 PM GMT
    BTW, when the population reaches a certain level, war/ famine etc will likely happen and wipe out a large population.

    Still, there goes my point again - we are fucked.
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    Apr 24, 2012 1:30 PM GMT
    In a twisted sense, the Chinese One Child Policy had it right - sad so many writers still use it as a plot point and scare tactics to hit home the idea of 'totalitarian antidemocratic'

    Sooner or later, most of us will likely to be restricted by this, whether your government is China or the USA.
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    Apr 24, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    Also one of the reason I almost never donate to charities human centric and mostly donate to nature preserving ones.
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    Apr 24, 2012 3:59 PM GMT
    Ha, ha. Obviously only rich white people worry about this shit.
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    Apr 24, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    If my memory is correct, I believe it was during my early grade school years in the very early sixties that we studied world pupulation and at that time world population was under 3 billion, aren't we now in the 7 billion population range ? This means we have more than doubled in just 50 years of my lifetime, will it double or triple over the next 50 years.

    These population numbers are reaching maximum sustatnability levels in the next several decades and it is important to plan ahead to ward off food shortages and famines. We will be fucked if the worlds nations don't make plans to address these population issues.
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    Apr 24, 2012 4:20 PM GMT

    Offshore-

    Whoa.. take a breath son. A bit alarmist don't you think?


    There is a very strong correlation between fertility rates and economic development. It wasn't that long ago that people in the developed world were having 6 plus children each. Richer countries have less children to the point where most developed countries have declining populations.

    As the old saying goes :

    The rich get rich and the poor get children.


    Most global population indicators predict that the global population will plateau by 2050.

    Continuing support/pressure from the international community on states with runaway populations will help offset this problem.

    Also, better urban planning will help alleviate the need for two cars, huge houses etc so there will be less wasting of resources in the west.


    http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html
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    Apr 24, 2012 4:22 PM GMT
    It isn`t absolute numbers that should be the issue, rather what kind of life would be possible for those who live on Earth. China had no real choice. It was either reduce numbers, long term, or face increasing famine, shortages, and environmental destruction. What social price they pay for such drastic cuts in family size/population remains to be seen.

    I`m sure the planet could support more, but what restrictions and disruptions would be necessary to achieve this? Or will the planet decide for us, and not reasonably?

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    Apr 24, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidIt isn`t absolute numbers that should be the issue, rather what kind of life would be possible for those who live on Earth. China had no real choice. It was either reduce numbers, long term, or face increasing famine, shortages, and environmental destruction. What social price they pay for such drastic cuts in family size/population remains to be seen.

    I`m sure the planet could support more, but what restrictions and disruptions would be necessary to achieve this? Or will the planet decide for us, and not reasonably?



    Yet another supposed environmental scare that flies in the face of what we actually know and sadly I can hope is only borne of ignorance.

    Do you even recognize the harm the one child policy has had in China? How dehumanizing and destructive it was? How easy and casually dismissive you are to the millions killed for this nonexistent tradeoff and encouraged by the supposed intelligensia in the West. It was only necessary in the construct of the limited economics/resources within communism/socialism.

    China is the most populous country in the world soon to be eclipsed by India. But do you realize in the days following Deng Xiaoping China went from being a massive net importer to a massive net exporter of food (thanks primarily to the implementation of property rights for farm land)? or that when it comes right down to it China;s population only occupies a fraction of the entire geography of the country?

    The planet can support considerably more but we will stop population growth long before then. In a mistaken attempt at putting off a social price we will supposedly pay those like you have ensured that we have paid a grave social price today in brutal policies like the one child policy. Frankly it's sad and inexcusable that there remain those who still cling to these archaic and quite frankly disgusting views.
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    Apr 24, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    Whoa!

    I just hope you`re right about population growth slowing down of it`s own accord!
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    Apr 24, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    Eventually scientists will figure out how to mine resources from other planets. Then we can continue living a lush lifestyle without worrying about overpopulation. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 25, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    Homo sapien is the cancer of eco system.
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    Apr 25, 2012 2:51 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidEventually scientists will figure out how to mine resources from other planets. Then we can continue living a lush lifestyle without worrying about overpopulation. icon_biggrin.gif


    Or, better yet. We'll figure out how to transplant our consciousness into machines and we will all live forever and obsolete our biological forms.
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    Apr 25, 2012 3:03 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidEventually scientists will figure out how to mine resources from other planets. Then we can continue living a lush lifestyle without worrying about overpopulation. icon_biggrin.gif


    Already happening (press release today):
    http://www.planetaryresources.com/2012/04/asteroid-mining-plans-revealed-by-planetary-resources-inc/
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    Apr 25, 2012 3:17 AM GMT
    Riddles.. I could sense you'd jump on this thread....