Fermenting the calories out of milk

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    Apr 25, 2012 8:05 AM GMT
    A few weeks ago I went to a symposium that was about the coevolution of genes and culture. One of the topics discussed was the evolution of lactase persistence within modern populations and how the lactase persistence offers a survival benefit through the absorption of calories from milk that would otherwise be lost if fermented as a population that was lactose intolerant would have to do in order to consume milk. It was specifically mentioned that in regular cow's milk, about 40% of the calories are lost in the fermentation of the sugars.

    Given that most industrialized countries face a great deal more trouble from consuming too many calories, especially in the form of sugar, I'm thinking that fermenting large amounts of milk into yogurt would be a very useful means of getting a large quantity of easily digestible protein without excessive calories. Nonfat milk especially for this purpose, as there would be essentially no calories from fat either.

    Monetarily speaking, if made at home it's $3-4 and roughly 128g protein/gallon. Might be good for the college student on a budget trying to lose the finals week weight( you know, because writing papers and studying means ice cream and no time for gym).

    Anywho, just thought I'd share.
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    Apr 25, 2012 9:41 AM GMT
    I make Keffir daily by fermenting cows milk....... not only does this convert the sugars, it also added beneficial bacteria and yeasts into the gut, bowels and colon.

    I also ferment wheat to make sourdough starter for bread - by using the natural yeasts present in the air to make the bread rise, and again as the OP points out, the fermenting of the wheat is caused by the bacteria feeding on the sugars present in the wheat.




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    Apr 25, 2012 1:02 PM GMT
    Homo_neanderthalensis saidA few weeks ago I went to a symposium that was about the coevolution of genes and culture. One of the topics discussed was the evolution of lactase persistence within modern populations and how the lactase persistence offers a survival benefit through the absorption of calories from milk that would otherwise be lost if fermented as a population that was lactose intolerant would have to do in order to consume milk. It was specifically mentioned that in regular cow's milk, about 40% of the calories are lost in the fermentation of the sugars.

    Given that most industrialized countries face a great deal more trouble from consuming too many calories, especially in the form of sugar, I'm thinking that fermenting large amounts of milk into yogurt would be a very useful means of getting a large quantity of easily digestible protein without excessive calories. Nonfat milk especially for this purpose, as there would be essentially no calories from fat either.

    Monetarily speaking, if made at home it's $3-4 and roughly 128g protein/gallon. Might be good for the college student on a budget trying to lose the finals week weight( you know, because writing papers and studying means ice cream and no time for gym).

    Anywho, just thought I'd share.


    This seems like more work than just deciding to eat a smaller portion of what you normally eat or eat non-energy dense foods like vegetables more often that are nutrient dense. Behavior change seems to be avoided at all cost.

    Also, not everyone throws the towel in during finals week. I actually have way more time that week and have always thought it as spring break during school. I've never needed to study like other people do non-stop and without sleeping. That's not healthy and the brain doesn't pick up information that way.
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    Apr 25, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
    Shawnathan saidDo you guys use the whey from your cheese/yogurt? It's high in lacto proteins.


    Every week or so I allow my Keffir to ferment for 48hours rather than 24.

    this seperates the curds and whey.

    I make cheese flavoured with herbs from the curds.... and add the whey to smoothies.

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    Apr 25, 2012 3:03 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidAlso, not everyone throws the towel in during finals week. I actually have way more time that week and have always thought it as spring break during school. I've never needed to study like other people do non-stop and without sleeping. That's not healthy and the brain doesn't pick up information that way.




    Congrats. More time during finals week was a luxury I had when I didn't have a pressing need to maintain a 4.0, when finals were multiple choice as opposed to multiple papers and presentations, and when I lived at my parent's house and didn't need to work full time to pay half the rent.

    At any rate, given the other benefits that yogurt offers, such as increased GABA levels and immune modulation, I thought it was worth sharing that it's also the most protein with the least calories that you can get for your buck.
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    Apr 25, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    Homo_neanderthalensis said
    bluey2223 saidAlso, not everyone throws the towel in during finals week. I actually have way more time that week and have always thought it as spring break during school. I've never needed to study like other people do non-stop and without sleeping. That's not healthy and the brain doesn't pick up information that way.




    Congrats. More time during finals week was a luxury I had when I didn't have a pressing need to maintain a 4.0, when finals were multiple choice as opposed to multiple papers and presentations, and when I lived at my parent's house and didn't need to work full time to pay half the rent.

    At any rate, given the other benefits that yogurt offers, such as increased GABA levels and immune modulation, I thought it was worth sharing that it's also the most protein with the least calories that you can get for your buck.


    Fuck you. You don't think my finals are non-multiple choice? You don't think I work full time as a graduate student? You're just weak. Have your ice cream because you need your fat fix, fatty. No one is forcing you to get a 4.0. People who get 4.0 lack intensely in other areas on their resume--such as having the balls to post a picture. I'd rather have a 3.5 and work experience, and I speak my mind and don't get told I need a 4.0. That means you don't know how to work around the system.
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    Apr 25, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    The fat myth was busted years ago. The rise of obesity in this country is directly related to low fat in the diet and replacing it with processed carbs and sugar.
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    Apr 25, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidThe fat myth was busted years ago. The rise of obesity in this country is directly related to low fat in the diet and replacing it with processed carbs and sugar.


    It doesn't matter if you eat too much fat, carbs, or protein. If you eat too much that means too many calories. Too many calories means you get fat.