Are You Sick Of ‘Highly Paid’ Teachers?

  • metta

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    Apr 25, 2012 5:42 PM GMT
    Are You Sick Of ‘Highly Paid’ Teachers?

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/15/are-you-sick-of-highly-paid-teachers/
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    Apr 30, 2012 1:23 PM GMT
    If every private school teacher was paid $1 million or more, it wouldn't bother me.

    Every penny I'm forced to pay into the corrupt government school system is too much.

    It's politicized, overpriced, inefficient, caters to big unions, rewards losers, won't reward the best teachers, promulgates Leftist nonsense, produces a shoddy product, and in big cities it's like glorified day care.

    Democrat hacks like Obama form a conga line to buy union votes by promising to throw ever more tax money at the mess.

    The average teacher in Delaware is paid more than $50,000. The benefits package is golden, which makes the total compensation with benefits more like $80,000 a year. That works out to an average compensation of $444 a day.

    Delaware spends about $14,000 per public school student per year (that excludes building and other costs). I'd say at least one-third of that is waste.

    The best private schools provide a rock-solid education for 1/3 less money.

    The teachers' union in Delaware brags about how it tells the governor and legislature to jump, and they ask "how high?"

    About one-third of eighth graders in Delaware read and write proficiently.

    That should make people "sick."



  • GQjock

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    Apr 30, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    It's Funny that you get all riled up about payin teachers and you're totally fine with paying oil companies billions in subsidies WHEN THEY EVEN SAID THEY DON'T NEED IT
    And giving tax breaks to the top one percent

    Kinda penny wise and dollr foolish ... No? icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 30, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
    if u don't like the public schools, become a teacher and do something about it.
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    Apr 30, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
    GQjock: It's Funny that you get all riled up about payin teachers and you're totally fine with paying oil companies billions in subsidies WHEN THEY EVEN SAID THEY DON'T NEED IT And giving tax breaks to the top one percent
    Kinda penny wise and dollr foolish ... No?


    jockfever: No.

    Most who demagogue about oil company "subsidies" don't know what they're talking about. That probably includes Obama, whose energy policy is a disaster.

    The total amount of "subsidies" is around $4.5 billion. Some of those are tax breaks available to every other manufacturing company. Some of those are tax credits to farmers for their fuel expenses. Programs to help low-income people pay their heating bills are included.

    It's a drop in the bucket compared to say, the U.S. Department of Education, which wastes over $100 billion. Ever since its inception, standardized public school test scores in America have been stagnant or dropped. Canada has no federal involvement in elementary and secondary education, yet Canadian kids outscore American kids, who are often the laughing stock of the Western world in science and math.

    Americans should thank the oil companies every time they fill up their tanks, for efficiently meeting the urgent needs of consumers. Incidentally the oil companies are owned by about 99% of the people through direct and indirect investment in mutual funds.

    The Left thanks Obama and big government, which does a great job of wasting money and producing nothing but demagoguery and other madness.
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    Apr 30, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    JPStalin: Leftist nonsense = they teach evolution. O noes!

    jockfever: The evidence against the theory of evolution should also be presented.

    Creationism, the other origins theory, should also be presented, with the pro's and con's. That would be a real education. Instead, the Left only permits an unchallenged religious indoctrination in evolution. That's nonsense.


    JPStalin: Overpriced = they expect me to pay taxes! How dare they!

    jockfever: Tell that to my cousin who has a master's degree and lives near Pittsburgh. She lost her job and is living in her parents' 50-year-old home. After being unemployed for months she took a menial job in a frozen food operation. Her gas hot water heater recently failed so she's doing without hot water.

    Her property tax bill is over $2,000, most of which goes to pay unionized public school teachers making an average of $80,000 a year in salary and benefits. The township doesn't care what my cousin's meager income is, they just demand the $2,000 or she loses the house.


    JPStalin: Shoddy product = are not mindless cheerleaders for capitalism and dare to teach actual history, not right-wing approved lies.

    jockfever: Anything undermining Judeo-Christianity, capitalism, and the Constitution is now welcome in the corrupt government school system. Historical revisionism is rampant. Studies show that American public school kids are dopes when it comes to history and civics, but they all know who Martin Luther King was, and they all know how to put a condom on a cucumber.

    JPStalin: If you want to know what's really wrong with this country, jockfever, find a mirror and take a good hard look in it.

    jockfever: What's wrong with America is out-of-control government, cheered on by admirers of Statist monsters like Stalin. Remind you of anyone?

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    Apr 30, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    jockfever: You and your Christian Fundi bible thumping beliefs are scarry as hell. most of us realize that if your ilk were put in power we would definately lose our freedoms in a hurry to suit your religious Ideology. Realistically the Far right is to be feared far more than the left.



    Now back to education and teachers. Just imagine that most teachres are lucky if they even get close to a $70,000 a year salary, and yet sports stars that throw or bounce a ball are paid in the millions per year. Which is more important, training and handling the young minds that are our furture or handling balls?


    Our priorities are all screwed up !!!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 30, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    jockfever said
    Most who demagogue about oil company "subsidies" don't know what they're talking about.


    ^^^^ This ^^^^ And, of course, they'd be the first ones screaming bloody murder if, should the subsidies stop, gas prices go to say $5 or higher a gallon.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 30, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    realifedad saidjockfever: You and your Christian Fundi bible thumping beliefs are scarry as hell.


    No less so than your obsession with Israel and Palestine, but I digress...icon_wink.gif
  • tazzari

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    Apr 30, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
    There are bad teachers who aren't worth their pay. There are great teachers who work endless hours, endure countless assaults on their sanity, and aren't paid nearly enough.

    One reason there aren't more good teachers is that the pay tends to be low; when I was teaching, we'd loose teachers every year to positions with higher pay.

    You want to invest in the future? Then support good teachers, pay them enough, and find ways to get rid of the (few) bad ones.
  • GQjock

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    Apr 30, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
    jockfever saidGQjock: It's Funny that you get all riled up about payin teachers and you're totally fine with paying oil companies billions in subsidies WHEN THEY EVEN SAID THEY DON'T NEED IT And giving tax breaks to the top one percent
    Kinda penny wise and dollr foolish ... No?


    jockfever: No.

    Most who demagogue about oil company "subsidies" don't know what they're talking about. That probably includes Obama, whose energy policy is a disaster.

    The total amount of "subsidies" is around $4.5 billion. Some of those are tax breaks available to every other manufacturing company. Some of those are tax credits to farmers for their fuel expenses. Programs to help low-income people pay their heating bills are included.

    It's a drop in the bucket compared to say, the U.S. Department of Education, which wastes over $100 billion. Ever since its inception, standardized public school test scores in America have been stagnant or dropped. Canada has no federal involvement in elementary and secondary education, yet Canadian kids outscore American kids, who are often the laughing stock of the Western world in science and math.

    Americans should thank the oil companies every time they fill up their tanks, for efficiently meeting the urgent needs of consumers. Incidentally the oil companies are owned by about 99% of the people through direct and indirect investment in mutual funds.

    The Left thanks Obama and big government, which does a great job of wasting money and producing nothing but demagoguery and other madness.


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  • jock_1

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    We are dealing with that here in Wisconsin right now. Public teachers and money grubbing unions want to be able to keep thier strangle hold on the taxpayers of the state. Our governor emacted reforms which said its about time they pay a small amount towards thier benefits just like regular private sector taxpayers have to do. Thier awnser is to throw mass hissy fits and try to recall the governor (which is failing).

    I do believe some public school teachers deserve what they are getting but truth be told, public schools in Milwaukee SUCK !! yet we continue to spend wasted money on over paid, over bloated budgets so the teachers and the unions can contine to get their money......its always about the money.....stop with the "its for the children bullshit"

    GQjock and jpthebitch will always try to deflect the conversation in some other direction or go off on some tangent about how something else isnt fair or right but they will never repond with logic or fact about any topic.
  • jock_1

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    tazzari saidThere are bad teachers who aren't worth their pay. There are great teachers who work endless hours, endure countless assaults on their sanity, and aren't paid nearly enough.

    One reason there aren't more good teachers is that the pay tends to be low; when I was teaching, we'd loose teachers every year to positions with higher pay.

    You want to invest in the future? Then support good teachers, pay them enough, and find ways to get rid of the (few) bad ones.



    Agreed, I have some friends who are teachers and they all tell me the pay scale needs to be blown up and restructured but the unions wont allow it to happen. They hate the union and want out but are being forced to pay dues and are being forced to pay to support candidates and policies they dont agree with. another reason Scott Walkers reforms are working in Wisconsin....he has give school districts state wide more tools in which to make budget decisions instead of having to bend over and take it from the unions...class rooms arent over crowded, teachers arent being fired and schools arent closing. Funny how sometimes it works when you change something that isnt working.
  • creature

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    Apr 30, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
    jock_1,

    I remember in a previous thread where you mentioned you were going to become a teacher. Not sure if you are one yet. But do you plan to work in a Right-to-Work state, or will you remain in Wisconsin?
  • jock_1

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    Apr 30, 2012 10:39 PM GMT
    creature saidjock_1,

    I remember in a previous thread where you mentioned you were going to become a teacher. Not sure if you are one yet. But do you plan to work in a Right-to-Work state, or will you remain in Wisconsin?


    Nope, I am not a teacher, nor do i plan on being one.

    No, I would not mind living in a right-to-work state. Walker believes in public unions, thats why he never dis-banned them and his reforms have actually saved them from themselves.
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    creature saidjock_1,

    I remember in a previous thread where you mentioned you were going to become a teacher. Not sure if you are one yet. But do you plan to work in a Right-to-Work state, or will you remain in Wisconsin?


    Nope, I am not a teacher, nor do i plan on being one.

    No, I would not mind living in a right-to-work state. Walker believes in public unions, thats why he never dis-banned them and his reforms have actually saved them from themselves.


    Ok, nevermind. I could've sworn about a year ago you mentioned you wanted to go into teaching.

    If you don't mind me asking, how long are you going to give Walker to put things back on track? I ask since it's likely that if there is any recovery you won't give Obama any credit, only when things are not looking good.

    Just as conservatives have been on President Obama's case about blaming the previous administration, which is what you have done regarding the current situation of Wisconsin, how long before Walker should take credit?
  • jock_1

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    Apr 30, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
    creature said
    jock_1 said
    creature saidjock_1,

    I remember in a previous thread where you mentioned you were going to become a teacher. Not sure if you are one yet. But do you plan to work in a Right-to-Work state, or will you remain in Wisconsin?


    Nope, I am not a teacher, nor do i plan on being one.

    No, I would not mind living in a right-to-work state. Walker believes in public unions, thats why he never dis-banned them and his reforms have actually saved them from themselves.


    Ok, nevermind. I could've sworn about a year ago you mentioned you wanted to go into teaching.

    If you don't mind me asking, how long are you going to give Walker to put things back on track? I ask since it's likely that if there is any recovery you won't give Obama any credit, only when things are not looking good.

    Just as conservatives have been on President Obama's case about blaming the previous administration, which is what you have done regarding the current situation of Wisconsin, how long before Walker should take credit?


    I only pulled that one out of the ole bag because thats what Obama has been doing for almost 4years now. I understand it is hard to turn around an entire country. Walker has taken credit since day 1. He said it is his responsibility to bring back Wisconsin from the fiscal nightmare we were in and he has done it in 1 year. 3.6 billion dollars by making simple needed changes to stop waste, fraud and out of control spending. His policies have given business more opportunity and incentive to creat new jobs. Altho we have not seen the gains that we had hoped as far as job creation due to mostly the nations economy he has put the state back on track. balanced budget, fully funded pension fund for the public union employees state unemployment down to 6.8%.

    Just last year we were worse off than Illinois and that state has gone down the shitter since Quinn took over. Bad unemployment, huge budget problems, huge tax increases on taxpayers and business which has done nothing to pay for thier funding of programs, just to name a few.

    Dont be so quick to portray Walker as some kind of Villian because he's not. He understands that what he had to do was a tough decision but it had to be made. He also understands that people are going to be upset because the public unions never had to make sacrifice as far as wages and contributing towards thier pension and health care. Taxpayers have seen its working, its just the far left democrats and outside union big shots that are making what it is.

    Read all of my forum posts on my state and Walker and truthfully tell me what he has done is not working. you cant, neither can the union backed candidates who are running against him in this recall...thats why they have changed the topic to jobs....its all they have left
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
    There are no "highly paid teachers". In fact, given the education requirements and management responsibilities in the classroom alone, public school teachers are grossly underpaid.

    The GOP doesn't want an educated populace, so attack public education which is the bedrock of American economic strength.

    Given the vital public service that teachers, firefighters and police provide, they should be taken care of in their old age.

    If you're bothered by the fact that you pay into healthcare while your private company executives suck up all the wealth created by your productivity, I have one word for you: "union."

    Any other approach is a "race to the bottom" that is beneath the dignity of the American worker.
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:47 PM GMT
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    creature said
    jock_1 said
    creature saidjock_1,

    I remember in a previous thread where you mentioned you were going to become a teacher. Not sure if you are one yet. But do you plan to work in a Right-to-Work state, or will you remain in Wisconsin?


    Nope, I am not a teacher, nor do i plan on being one.

    No, I would not mind living in a right-to-work state. Walker believes in public unions, thats why he never dis-banned them and his reforms have actually saved them from themselves.


    Ok, nevermind. I could've sworn about a year ago you mentioned you wanted to go into teaching.

    If you don't mind me asking, how long are you going to give Walker to put things back on track? I ask since it's likely that if there is any recovery you won't give Obama any credit, only when things are not looking good.

    Just as conservatives have been on President Obama's case about blaming the previous administration, which is what you have done regarding the current situation of Wisconsin, how long before Walker should take credit?


    I only pulled that one out of the ole bag because thats what Obama has been doing for almost 4years now. I understand it is hard to turn around an entire country. Walker has taken credit since day 1. He said it is his responsibility to bring back Wisconsin from the fiscal nightmare we were in and he has done it in 1 year. 3.6 billion dollars by making simple needed changes to stop waste, fraud and out of control spending. His policies have given business more opportunity and incentive to creat new jobs. Altho we have not seen the gains that we had hoped as far as job creation due to mostly the nations economy he has put the state back on track. balanced budget, fully funded pension fund for the public union employees state unemployment down to 6.8%.

    Just last year we were worse off than Illinois and that state has gone down the shitter since Quinn took over. Bad unemployment, huge budget problems, huge tax increases on taxpayers and business which has done nothing to pay for thier funding of programs, just to name a few.

    Dont be so quick to portray Walker as some kind of Villian because he's not. He understands that what he had to do was a tough decision but it had to be made. He also understands that people are going to be upset because the public unions never had to make sacrifice as far as wages and contributing towards thier pension and health care. Taxpayers have seen its working, its just the far left democrats and outside union big shots that are making what it is.

    Read all of my forum posts on my state and Walker and truthfully tell me what he has done is not working. you cant, neither can the union backed candidates who are running against him in this recall...thats why they have changed the topic to jobs....its all they have left


    You're so ridiculous.

    Scott Walker is a puppet for massive financial interests who want to rape Wisconsin of its natural resources on the cheap.

    He would sell you and your family to the Koch brothers for $1.

    Beyond that, your whining about the bad economy he inherited (due to a recession caused by Republicans), while not affording Obama the same dispensation is hypocritical and juvenile.
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:50 PM GMT
    jockfever saidIf every private school teacher was paid $1 million or more, it wouldn't bother me.

    Every penny I'm forced to pay into the corrupt government school system is too much.

    It's politicized, overpriced, inefficient, caters to big unions, rewards losers, won't reward the best teachers, promulgates Leftist nonsense, produces a shoddy product, and in big cities it's like glorified day care.

    Democrat hacks like Obama form a conga line to buy union votes by promising to throw ever more tax money at the mess.

    The average teacher in Delaware is paid more than $50,000. The benefits package is golden, which makes the total compensation with benefits more like $80,000 a year. That works out to an average compensation of $444 a day.

    Delaware spends about $14,000 per public school student per year (that excludes building and other costs). I'd say at least one-third of that is waste.

    The best private schools provide a rock-solid education for 1/3 less money.

    The teachers' union in Delaware brags about how it tells the governor and legislature to jump, and they ask "how high?"

    About one-third of eighth graders in Delaware read and write proficiently.

    That should make people "sick."






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    May 01, 2012 12:16 AM GMT
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    realifedad saidjockfever: You and your Christian Fundi bible thumping beliefs are scarry as hell.


    No less so than your obsession with Israel and Palestine, but I digress...icon_wink.gif





    CURIOUSJOCK how you keep missing reality and keep deriding me for exposing it is beyond me !!

    You digress is right !! you digress from and ignore the fact that the Israeli/palestinian situation that our US government spends your tax dollars on and the christian fundi's spend tax exmpt money supporting, is costing the US billions of dollars and has made us enemies that will take decades to put behind us. But keep ignoring the reality, Are you sure your not a christian Fundi closet case ?



    Now back to Teachers and their pay.

    As tazzari wrote:
    "You want to invest in the future? Then support good teachers, pay them enough, and find ways to get rid of the (few) bad ones"
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    realifedad saidjockfever: You and your Christian Fundi bible thumping beliefs are scarry as hell.


    No less so than your obsession with Israel and Palestine, but I digress...icon_wink.gif


    You're catching on regarding our frantic fanatic RLD and his RLS Pouncer.

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    May 01, 2012 12:18 PM GMT
    Whats depressing is that those who think teachers are paid too much are clearly the least educated.
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    realifedad saidjockfever: You and your Christian Fundi bible thumping beliefs are scarry as hell.


    No less so than your obsession with Israel and Palestine, but I digress...icon_wink.gif

    LOL you must be one of the few who doesn't have that obsessive garbage spammer on ignore.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad saidjockfever: You and your Christian Fundi bible thumping beliefs are scarry as hell.


    No less so than your obsession with Israel and Palestine, but I digress...icon_wink.gif

    LOL you must be one of the few who doesn't have that obsessive garbage spammer on ignore.




    Ha Ha !!! guess you'll never know the good sense said behind your back. you and about 2 others that is. Keep drinking that Tea from your Baggers old man.



    Back to the topic:


    There actually are very few jobs in any country more important than our teachers jobs are. Working with minds takes a great deal of talent and well worth paying a good price for their accomplishments toward our future. After all our children are our future and teaching them should be our first priority, not one spent on after the costs of such things as stadiums for throwing balls around and the like.