An Aspirin a Day?

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    Apr 26, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
    There have recently been several reports of studies linking a daily low dose of aspirin with the prevention and treatment of bowel cancer and other cancers.

    I am seriously considering taking a daily low dose aspirin, as my mother started with bowel cancer symptoms around the age I am at now and died of the disease aged 51.

    I have heard there are risks (upper intestinal tract bleeding, brain hemorrhage and macular degeneration) associated with regular low dose aspirin consumption, but these risks seem pretty low.

    I heard an oncologist being interviewed on the radio, who said it was too early to recommend a daily low dose aspirin for cancer prevention, but admitted he took a daily low dose himself specifically for that purpose.

    I am therefore in something of a dilemma. I am inclined still to go ahead with the daily dose. Do any RJers take daily low dose aspirin?
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    Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI am therefore in something of a dilemma. I am inclined still to go ahead with the daily dose. Do any RJers take daily low dose aspirin?

    I do. It was already prescribed for my circulatory system, since I am at risk for both heart attack and stroke. Though in the last couple of years I dropped the aspirin, with too many other pills to take every day. Then I read this report about cancer.

    But the bad news for me in the sturdy is that the circulatory benefits of aspirin decline over time with regular use. Whether the cancer benefits will also decline was not clear. But since I've already had cancer, putting me at greater risk for further incidents, I've decided to resume a daily low-dose aspirin. I chose the orange-flavored chewables, just like when I was a kid. icon_biggrin.gif
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 26, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    Have a talk with your doctor.

    Also consider if there`s a family history of the noted risks that might be aggravated by taking aspirin.
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    Apr 26, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    Most important is that you have had your colonoscopy.
    Its preventable with good screening.

    even baby asa a few times a week should help as will avoiding
    carcingens like nitrosamines, smoked foods, and red meat

    and like most cancers, being the ideal weight, exercise and a diet high
    in cruciferous veges will be protective.

    all men > 50 need to get scoped....
  • GWriter

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    Apr 26, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    Not me.
    I don't want to start a big tangential argument (too late?), but the more I look into it, the more I come to the conclusion that modern medical science knows very little about overall human health. I'm not anti-science... far from it. But the "science" that most conventional wisdom relies on is deeply problematic in many ways: Money and influence from mega-corporations. Group-think. Sloppy clinical trials. "Peer review" bias. Media sensationalism. The list goes on.
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along. I trust the former more than the latter!
    Sorry if this seems like a hijack post!
  • Beeftastic

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    Apr 26, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
    Just be sure that you get enteric-coated low-dose aspirin, as it does not dissolve in the stomach, but further down. This prevents most of the negative side effects mentioned in those articles.
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:22 PM GMT
    I've taken it every day for about the last eight years. There is lots of heart disease and cancer in my family history. A little aspirin pill can do wonders to prevent both. So the upside is very good. The down side is minimal in my opinion. And frankly, I've personally seen no negative side affects.
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    I have a family history of heart issues, and the last 5 years have led me down that path.

    Besides my BP meds (and of course an anti-depressant) I take an aspirin a day. I experienced results quickly (less running out of breath and heart-pounding). Luckily I don't experience stomach issues related to aspirin. So use coated if you must.
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    GWriter said
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along.helping them create and manage their database as well as managing and creating marketing plans for them

    They also had a life expectancy of about 29 years.

    I'm always surprised by this reply. The answer to this is pretty well known.
    Lions, and tigers, and bears... oh my! Plus snakes, and scorpions and spiders. And falling, and infections, and contusions, incisions, abrasions, and punctures. Modern medicine is great. It fixes things that break. It does not very well understand how the machine was designed to work.
    Life was hard before medicine. But paleolithic people did NOT (by and large) die from causes related to: obesity, diabetes, stroke, heart attack, cancer, tumors, etc. Did you not get the memo on Metabolic Syndrome and Diseases of Civilization?
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:28 PM GMT
    GWriter said
    JPtheBITCH said
    GWriter said
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along.helping them create and manage their database as well as managing and creating marketing plans for them

    They also had a life expectancy of about 29 years.

    I'm always surprised by this reply. The answer to this is pretty well known.
    Lions, and tigers, and bears... oh my! Plus snakes, and scorpions and spiders. And falling, and infections, and contusions, incisions, abrasions, and punctures. Modern medicine is great. It fixes things that break. It does not very well understand how the machine was designed to work.
    Life was hard before medicine. But paleolithic people did NOT (by and large) die from causes related to: obesity, diabetes, stroke, heart attack, cancer, tumors, etc. Did you not get the memo on Metabolic Syndrome and Diseases of Civilization?


    That's probably because they didn't live long enough for those diseases to appear. Not to mention how do you know they didn't have it if what remains of them are bones? And did they even have a concept of what disease was?
  • Koaa2

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    Apr 26, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    I take it, was recommended by my physician, who is a Kaisier Perm doc. I take the enteric coated and also take it with food.
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
    GWriter said
    JPtheBITCH said
    GWriter said
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along.helping them create and manage their database as well as managing and creating marketing plans for them

    They also had a life expectancy of about 29 years.

    I'm always surprised by this reply. The answer to this is pretty well known.
    Lions, and tigers, and bears... oh my! Plus snakes, and scorpions and spiders. And falling, and infections, and contusions, incisions, abrasions, and punctures. Modern medicine is great. It fixes things that break. It does not very well understand how the machine was designed to work.
    Life was hard before medicine. But paleolithic people did NOT (by and large) die from causes related to: obesity, diabetes, stroke, heart attack, cancer, tumors, etc. Did you not get the memo on Metabolic Syndrome and Diseases of Civilization?


    Medical doctors are good at quick fixes for things that are broken via drugs and surgery. They also are trained at good diagnoses and pathophysiology.

    They aren't trained to the extent a dietitian or exercise physiologist are trained about health maintenance research and physiology.

    Paleo diet is a fad diet. You think marketing/business people who create fad diets know more than those of us who have studied nutrition for 8 years? You just bought into their conspiracy. Guess who makes more money: business people or registered dietitians? Go look up our salaries. There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating grains and beans (things not in the paleo diet) assuming proper portion sizes. What are you going to do instead, fill up on simple sugars all day from fructose, the sugar found in fruits?? That's unrealistic and not healthy. You will miss out on the benefits of the soluble fiber in beans, and grains are good sources of b vitamins and and trace minerals. Whole grains. The unrefined kind. Brown rice, quinoa (pseudo-whole grain...technically it is a seed), popcorn that is air popped, kernel corn, etc.).

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    Apr 26, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
    redox87 said
    GWriter said
    JPtheBITCH said
    GWriter said
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along.helping them create and manage their database as well as managing and creating marketing plans for them

    They also had a life expectancy of about 29 years.

    I'm always surprised by this reply. The answer to this is pretty well known.
    Lions, and tigers, and bears... oh my! Plus snakes, and scorpions and spiders. And falling, and infections, and contusions, incisions, abrasions, and punctures. Modern medicine is great. It fixes things that break. It does not very well understand how the machine was designed to work.
    Life was hard before medicine. But paleolithic people did NOT (by and large) die from causes related to: obesity, diabetes, stroke, heart attack, cancer, tumors, etc. Did you not get the memo on Metabolic Syndrome and Diseases of Civilization?


    That's probably because they didn't live long enough for those diseases to appear. Not to mention how do you know they didn't have it if what remains of them are bones? And did they even have a concept of what disease was?


    This. People used to die from diseases we have vaccinations for now. Then it was infection/antibiotic related diseases.

    Now it's lifestyle diseases made by poor behavior choices--smoking, drinking, not moving (activites of daily living are simplified with machines and transportation, no formal exercise), and eating fast food because most people don't know how to cook these days--or they cook with things like lard and coconut oil because "we don't trust those pesky dietitians...we'd rather listen to someone selling us coconut oil and how much "energy" and "toxins" and "cleanses" it brings about"

    "energy" "cleanse" and "toxin" are words you won't hear in school because they're FAKE.
    The only time we use "energy" is when we are refering to calories, which are energy or heat. Not the same thing as people's psychological sense of energy.

  • GWriter

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    Apr 26, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
    redox87 said
    GWriter said
    JPtheBITCH said
    GWriter said
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along.helping them create and manage their database as well as managing and creating marketing plans for them

    They also had a life expectancy of about 29 years.

    I'm always surprised by this reply. The answer to this is pretty well known.
    Lions, and tigers, and bears... oh my! Plus snakes, and scorpions and spiders. And falling, and infections, and contusions, incisions, abrasions, and punctures. Modern medicine is great. It fixes things that break. It does not very well understand how the machine was designed to work.
    Life was hard before medicine. But paleolithic people did NOT (by and large) die from causes related to: obesity, diabetes, stroke, heart attack, cancer, tumors, etc. Did you not get the memo on Metabolic Syndrome and Diseases of Civilization?


    That's probably because they didn't live long enough for those diseases to appear. Not to mention how do you know they didn't have it if what remains of them are bones? And did they even have a concept of what disease was?

    Many paleolithic cultures survived into the 20th century (and a very few remain today) which have been closely studied. They show little to no incidence of Metabolic Syndrome and demonstrate considerable longevity. Refer to the work of Steffan Lindberg and Weston Price, among others.
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
    You could try to get yourself checked for the cancer-gene (if that's a form that's determined in your genes)

    But I don't think you should take Aspirin every day without talking with your doctor about it and get your liver checked regularly,
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    I too have a family with heart problems and about 10 years ago when I was in my late 20's I stupidly decided to take half an aspirin a day.

    Being young and healthy, I eventually became so tired, needing a daily nap and started bruising easily. The aspirin obviously thinned my blood out way too much.

    I'm probably getting to the age when I should look into it again - but I guess its a warning to hypercondirac younger RJers ... don't start this too young without Dr approval.
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    Apr 26, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    If interested in hearing what an RD says about the Paleo diet, here is a good article:

    http://blog.itriagehealth.com/paleo-diet-healthy

    She has an MPH, RD. (masters of public health and registered dietitian)
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    Apr 26, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    daviddoublebay saidDo talk to your doctor first.

    As for me, I've taken a 325mg coated aspirin everyday for 16 years.(not the low-dose)

    Other things I take daily are:

    6-8 tablespoons of Extra Virgin Olive Oil
    6 capsules of fish/flax/borage oil combo
    2 glasses of red wine every night
    2 capsules Green Tea
    Multi-vitamin (One Source Brand)
    B-Complex
    B-12
    1,000 Vitamin C
    Drink 0% milk with almost every meal
    Substitute Stevia (Truvia) instead of using sugar


    Unless you don't eat meat, beans, dairy, nuts, there's no need to take B-complex or B-12. Additionally, there's no need to take vitamin C at such a megadose if you eat fruits and vegetables. The RDA is so low--megadoses are likely to give you diarrhea and have not been shown to have any beneficial effects at warding off colds/sickness. Some research shows that if taken in megadose when just getting sick, it MAY reduce the duration of the sickness...but it's a small difference of maybe a day or two and hasn't been confirmed by other studies.

    I also hope you're eating the EVOO in food rather than taking it in 6-8 swigs. That's disgusting. ;)
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    Apr 27, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThere have recently been several reports of studies linking a daily low dose of aspirin with the prevention and treatment of bowel cancer and other cancers.

    I am seriously considering taking a daily low dose aspirin, as my mother started with bowel cancer symptoms around the age I am at now and died of the disease aged 51.

    I have heard there are risks (upper intestinal tract bleeding, brain hemorrhage and macular degeneration) associated with regular low dose aspirin consumption, but these risks seem pretty low.

    I heard an oncologist being interviewed on the radio, who said it was too early to recommend a daily low dose aspirin for cancer prevention, but admitted he took a daily low dose himself specifically for that purpose.

    I am therefore in something of a dilemma. I am inclined still to go ahead with the daily dose. Do any RJers take daily low dose aspirin?


    If you were in the states the standard of care would be a colonoscopy for you starting at age 35 with your family history.

    Ask your Doctor,

    The studies makes several assumptions.
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    Apr 27, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    GWriter said
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along. I trust the former more than the latter!
    Sorry if this seems like a hijack post!


    The first rule of Paleo is you DO NOT talk about Paleo
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    Apr 27, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    paradox said
    GWriter said
    One reason I embraced the paleo diet is because humans survived and prospered for about 2 million years before the American Dietetic Association came along. I trust the former more than the latter!
    Sorry if this seems like a hijack post!


    The first rule of Paleo is you DO NOT talk about Paleo

    LOL. I guessed I missed that class.
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    Apr 27, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
    this is very statistics gets tricky and confusing.

    an aspirin a day might lower your risk but not as much as you think.

    for example, the math is completely off here, but hopefully you'll get the gist of things.

    an aspirin a day might lower your risk of getting whatever type of cancer by 50 percent, which sounds great! but in reality it doesn't make as great of a difference as you think.

    your risk of getting that cancer may be 3 in a thousand, so the percentage may be 0.003. 50 percent lower would mean something like 0.0025 or something

    in both cases, your percentage risk is pretty low. don't let 50 percent fool you!

    (numbers and percentage made up)

    but aspirin has other benefits other than cancer prevention, which may make it worth taking daily at a low dose.

    regardless, talk to your PCP about it. i would never take health related advises online because no one knows your body like you do or like doctor do.
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    Apr 27, 2012 5:33 PM GMT
    Many thanks for all your replies. I will have a chat with my doc about it.

    I have also considered asking for a colonoscopy, as I am pretty sure that is the best preventive measure for bowel cancer. I have (very stupidly) put it off in the past, as I know they sedate you, which means you cannot drive yourself home afterwards. The logistics of not being able to drive myself there and back would turn an otherwise simple procedure into an epic. I wonder if I could skip the sedation, as it seems rather superfluous for a gay man anyway.
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    Apr 27, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    Here in the US they will not let you drive yourself home. Plus I was totally knocked out for mine (by choice). My BF had his and was not totally knocked out but he was still pretty messed up.

    It is recommended here when you turn 50
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    Apr 27, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    Please consider another aspect. Cancer is egregious growth of cells.

    Aspirin as an anti-inflammatory agent reduces the risk because it inhibits growth/repair pathways so that this egregious growth does not occur.

    Just as it inhibits growth, it also inhibits the repair mechanisms of the body, which also have their own effect in increasing healing time.

    If you think you are having symptoms or simply in light of your mother, as others have said, a colonoscopy would be a good idea. Sedation is not necessary, I have heard it is a bit uncomfortable without sedation, but not unbearable.