New Study Cited by New York Times: "Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay"

  • tokugawa

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    Apr 28, 2012 1:09 PM GMT
    WHY are political and religious figures who campaign against gay rights so often implicated in sexual encounters with same-sex partners?

    In recent years, Ted Haggard, an evangelical leader who preached that homosexuality was a sin, resigned after a scandal involving a former male prostitute; Larry Craig, a United States senator who opposed including sexual orientation in hate-crime legislation, was arrested on suspicion of lewd conduct in a men’s bathroom; and Glenn Murphy Jr., a leader of the Young Republican National Convention and an opponent of same-sex marriage, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge after being accused of sexually assaulting another man.

    full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=1#
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    Apr 28, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREThe authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
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    Apr 28, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
    No surprise here. I bet if there were more masculine, non stereotypical depictions of gay men in the media, these guys would be less fearful. Oftentimes, the homophobic guys fit in pretty well with mainstream society and are insecure about where their "curiosity" will lead. They'd like to think there were "other guys like me out there" but the uncertainty is very scary. The tension between their sex drive and their fear drives the aggression towards gays, particularly against the stereotypes that scare them the most.

    My theory is that their true fear is being rejected and alone. They see the stereotypical gay lifestyle as being unsustainable in comparison with their current life which creates a constant tension. The "why can't they be a normal guy who just likes to have sex with guys" thoughts take over and the denial increases from there. "I'm not like them". "I'm no fag." And so it goes.
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    Apr 28, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
    Brownale saidNo surprise here. I bet if there were more masculine, non stereotypical depictions of gay men in the media, these guys would be less fearful.
    As much as I sincerely love my friends who are a bit on the fem side, that statement is very true.
    In the media, fems dominate the gay world.
    In reality, they are the minority.
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    Apr 28, 2012 2:46 PM GMT
    Pope Benedict, hmmm...

    Silky frocks. Check.
    Red satin capes, lined with gold and ermine. Check.
    Prada slip-ons. Check.

    Homophobe. Check.
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    Apr 28, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
    n8698u saidPope Benedict, hmmm...

    Silky frocks. Check.
    Red satin capes, lined with gold and ermine. Check.
    Prada slip-ons. Check.

    Homophobe. Check.
    Pope Benedict, Azzhole, check!icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 28, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    I'm sorry but I'm putting a ban on that man being gay, he is NEVER allowed to be gay, dude deserves a hot prod in the ass and both eyes icon_evil.gif
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    Apr 28, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    inuman saidI'm sorry but I'm putting a ban on that man being gay, he is NEVER allowed to be gay, dude deserves a hot prod in the ass and both eyes icon_evil.gif
    Even if here were gay, he's so fucking ugly that he'd have to resort to molesting unsuspecting children cause no adult gay men would have him.

    Oh wait...
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    Apr 28, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    inuman saidI'm sorry but I'm putting a ban on that man being gay, he is NEVER allowed to be gay, dude deserves a hot prod in the ass and both eyes icon_evil.gif
    sounds pretty gay to me
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    Apr 28, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    Many years ago, back in my late teens or early 20s, I had a pseudo-sexual encounter with some trick. I don't recall who picked up who. "Sex" lasted about a few minutes because everytime he started to get aroused he'd start freaking out.

    It was probably the most bizarre few minutes of sex (there wasn't actually any sex) that I've ever experienced.

    I think we made about three attempts, each time with the same results. I'm not even sure what he was doing in trying to get with me. Probably his effort to come to terms with a serious problem of his. I wound up with the sense that I could almost feel the mal-adapted psychology within him. I remember thinking that he must have been severely damaged by religious upbringing, though I either didn't know then how to broach the subject or the encounter was just so weird that I had to cut it short, I don't recall now how that played out: like evacuating a burning house, you probably only know you're running once you get a safe distance away.

    How it went down was that he'd start to get affectionate but then as soon as he'd start to get an erection while we touched each other, he'd pull away as his anxiety level would go through the roof. He had the exact opposite reaction to his own body than any of us. Like how some people only think with their penis, his only screamed no. He had the meanest penis.
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    Apr 28, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    The study does not say that the opponents of homosexuality are gay. It says that 20% of those who identify as "very straight" test positively as more gay than straight, and are more likely than other groups to strongly oppose gay rights. It does NOT tell us what percentage of those who oppose gay rights are gay. Presumably they are in the minority.
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    Nivek saidThe study does not say that the opponents of homosexuality are gay. It says that 20% of those who identify as "very straight" test positively as more gay than straight, and are more likely than other groups to strongly oppose gay rights. It does NOT tell us what percentage of those who oppose gay rights are gay. Presumably they are in the minority.



    I think the "reaction formation" plays a very strong role for public figures. The persons inner shame and fear of others perceptions strike their raw nerve because they live for public influence. The person's perceived discomfort from his public hammer the raw nerve harder.
    Mix in some serious denial and a position of power...yikes. The McCarthy hearings is a perfect example.

    When I watch TV or read the news and see something about some rabid idiot going on about the "destructiveness" of gay marriage or rights protections, I treat it like theater. I know the plot, know the psychology that drives the character, I know he knows it too but his (or her) denial and shame make them dangerous. It's like their inner war becomes a war with those outside themselves.

    If I trace the stepping stones backwards, I would find these test results apply.

    I just took a slight sidetrack.
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
    Brownale saidNo surprise here. I bet if there were more masculine, non stereotypical depictions of gay men in the media, these guys would be less fearful. Oftentimes, the homophobic guys fit in pretty well with mainstream society and are insecure about where their "curiosity" will lead. They'd like to think there were "other guys like me out there" but the uncertainty is very scary. The tension between their sex drive and their fear drives the aggression towards gays, particularly against the stereotypes that scare them the most.

    My theory is that their true fear is being rejected and alone. They see the stereotypical gay lifestyle as being unsustainable in comparison with their current life which creates a constant tension. The "why can't they be a normal guy who just likes to have sex with guys" thoughts take over and the denial increases from there. "I'm not like them". "I'm no fag." And so it goes.


    That's exactly it. It's not necessarily that they're afraid of being attracted to guys. It's that, by being slapped with the gay label, they're afraid of being associated with a group they perceive as being composed of freaks and those obsessed with x gender behavior. Things they feel shouldn't be associated with sexuality but, rather than being able to understand and express that feeling, they lash out at all who are implicated by that label of freaks for fear that someone will realize they supposedly fit that label too.
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
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    Brownale saidNo surprise here. I bet if there were more masculine, non stereotypical depictions of gay men in the media, these guys would be less fearful. Oftentimes, the homophobic guys fit in pretty well with mainstream society and are insecure about where their "curiosity" will lead. They'd like to think there were "other guys like me out there" but the uncertainty is very scary. The tension between their sex drive and their fear drives the aggression towards gays, particularly against the stereotypes that scare them the most.

    My theory is that their true fear is being rejected and alone. They see the stereotypical gay lifestyle as being unsustainable in comparison with their current life which creates a constant tension. The "why can't they be a normal guy who just likes to have sex with guys" thoughts take over and the denial increases from there. "I'm not like them". "I'm no fag." And so it goes.


    That's exactly it. It's not necessarily that they're afraid of being attracted to guys. It's that, by being slapped with the gay label, they're afraid of being associated with a group they perceive as being composed of freaks and those obsessed with x gender behavior. Things they feel shouldn't be associated with sexuality but, rather than being able to understand and express that feeling, they lash out at all who are implicated by that label of freaks for fear that someone will realize they supposedly fit that label too.



    So who controls the media? The media caters to the majority of viewers, who are straight. icon_wink.gif

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    Apr 28, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
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    Brownale saidNo surprise here. I bet if there were more masculine, non stereotypical depictions of gay men in the media, these guys would be less fearful. Oftentimes, the homophobic guys fit in pretty well with mainstream society and are insecure about where their "curiosity" will lead. They'd like to think there were "other guys like me out there" but the uncertainty is very scary. The tension between their sex drive and their fear drives the aggression towards gays, particularly against the stereotypes that scare them the most.



    That's exactly it. It's not necessarily that they're afraid of being attracted to guys. It's that, by being slapped with the gay label, they're afraid of being associated with a group they perceive as being composed of freaks and those obsessed with x gender behavior. Things they feel shouldn't be associated with sexuality but, rather than being able to understand and express that feeling, they lash out at all who are implicated by that label of freaks for fear that someone will realize they supposedly fit that label too.



    So who controls the media? The media caters to the majority of viewers, who are straight. icon_wink.gif



    Hence the mind job.

    "Most" guys denounce fagdom loudly so you'd assume that these guys were straight, considering their passionate distaste and hostility for all things gay. Yet there are innumerable guys who use this talk as a smokescreen, lest others figure out that they are attracted to guys. To a guy surrounded by guys who either use this legitimately or as a smokescreen, they have no idea that any other guy could just be covering up their true attractions with distaste or hostility because they're convinced that they're the "only one" in their position, believing all the guys around them are only saying what they're saying because they mean it and not because they're afraid of the same possibility of being found out.

    The true majority are not those who are 100% m/f or 100% m/m but some mixture in between (see works done by Alfred Kinsey and, finally, other researchers currently). As such, this fearful majority is conned as a whole into believing that you're either one or the other and if you like guys(or both) you'd better loudly denounce it if you want to be accepted by your peers as also being "normal". Even though "normal" would actually be those with some attraction to members of both sexes, not just one.

    Only time can gradually reveal that the attraction these men feel for their same-sex peers is and always has been completely normal and that the "freakish"/x-gender behavior they see presented by a minority within the same-sex attracted demographic actually has nothing to do with sexuality.
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    Apr 28, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
    Nivek saidThe study does not say that the opponents of homosexuality are gay. It says that 20% of those who identify as "very straight" test positively as more gay than straight, and are more likely than other groups to strongly oppose gay rights. It does NOT tell us what percentage of those who oppose gay rights are gay. Presumably they are in the minority.


    In other words, bisexual. You aren't going to find a study that says most guys are "gay" or even same-sex attracted because guys who are 100% attracted to one sex are in the minority. If this same study were done to gay identified men, you absolutely will find that some percentage are actually also aroused by heteroerotic imagery.
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    Apr 28, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
    Yup, it all the fault of feminine men. They're the ones to blame for the masculine gay men that are too much of a pussy to come out What's wrong with you fem men? Stay home, hide and stop making it difficult for everyone else!
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    Apr 28, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidYup, it all the fault of feminine men. They're the ones to blame for the masculine gay men that are too much of a pussy to come out What's wrong with you fem men? Stay home, hide and stop making it difficult for everyone else!


    You're the first person to bring the word "feminine" into this discussion. Therefore, your post is off topic and without merit. icon_neutral.gif

    More feminine and more masculine aren't what's being discussed here but the behavior displayed by a minority of gay men who, either actively or passively, attribute that behavior as being part of their sexuality when it is not. Thus incurring the homophobic reaction we have been discussing.

    EDIT: Theoretically speaking, anyway. I don't claim to be all knowing.
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    Apr 28, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
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    Iceblink saidYup, it all the fault of feminine men. They're the ones to blame for the masculine gay men that are too much of a pussy to come out What's wrong with you fem men? Stay home, hide and stop making it difficult for everyone else!


    You're the first person to bring the word "feminine" into this discussion. Therefore, your post is off topic and without merit. icon_neutral.gif

    More feminine and more masculine aren't what's being discussed here but the behavior displayed by a minority of gay men who, either actively or passively, attribute that behavior as being part of their sexuality when it is not. Thus incurring the homophobic reaction we have been discussing.

    EDIT: Theoretically speaking, anyway. I don't claim to be all knowing.


    I think he was joking. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 29, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
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    Iceblink saidYup, it all the fault of feminine men. They're the ones to blame for the masculine gay men that are too much of a pussy to come out What's wrong with you fem men? Stay home, hide and stop making it difficult for everyone else!


    You're the first person to bring the word "feminine" into this discussion. Therefore, your post is off topic and without merit. icon_neutral.gif

    More feminine and more masculine aren't what's being discussed here but the behavior displayed by a minority of gay men who, either actively or passively, attribute that behavior as being part of their sexuality when it is not. Thus incurring the homophobic reaction we have been discussing.

    EDIT: Theoretically speaking, anyway. I don't claim to be all knowing.


    I think he was joking. icon_wink.gif



    Yes, it was partially joking, but maybe I should delete my post because apparently I did not check with Animus to make sure in an open forum that my post was appropriate and on topic. Next time I will remember to message him and have it cleared if he has already posted in the thread.
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    Apr 29, 2012 1:28 AM GMT
    haha, Iceblink - you're the best.