Scott Walker's Austerity Agenda Yields 'Worst Job Losses in US'

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    Apr 28, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    We know it's not working in Europe, and now further evidence that austerity (really "extractionary capitalism") is have disastrous effects at the state level:

    John NicholsAs he has for the past year in Florida, Arizona, Texas, California and other states, Walker was trying to export his approach to governing (and to pick up lots of campaign money): attacks on public employees, deep cuts in education and training, the undermining of public services and the rejection of federal support for transportation and broadband Internet development.

    That, Walker said, is the way to create jobs.

    Then reality set in.

    The Bloomberg business new service, not exactly a liberal institution, ran a story headlined: “Republican Whipping-Boy Illinois Beats Wisconsin on Jobs.”

    It reported: “Illinois ranked third while Wisconsin placed 42nd in the most recent Bloomberg Economic Evaluation of States index, which includes personal income, tax revenue and employment. Illinois gained 32,000 jobs in the 12 months ending in February, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics found. Wisconsin, where Walker promised to create 250,000 jobs with the help of business-tax breaks, lost 16,900.”

    Several days later, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that, over the past year, Wisconsin had the worst job losses in the United States. Indeed, Wisconsin was the only state in the nation to experience “statistically significant” job losses over the period.

    Wisconsin lost 23,900 jobs between March 2011 and March 2012, according to the BLS study. No other state lost more than 3,500 jobs. And, of course, Illinois was gaining.

    As Illinois Governor Pat Quinn explained on MSNBC's Ed Show on the night the BLS report came out: “Wisconsin is dead last in job growth. Don't listen to Scott Walker if you want to get jobs in your state.”

    Instead of the Walker way, he said: “You have to honor the workers of our country, whether they work in the private sector or public sector. They're the heart and soul of America and 'made in America' are my favorite words.”

    Quinn's right. But with due respect to our friend from Illinois, those are also the favorite words of a lot of Wisconsinites. Our momentary challenge is that Wisconsin has a governor who is busy picking fights with workers, public education, public services and other states—fights that led to the devastating Milwaukee Journal Sentinel headline of last week: “State Losses Worst in US.”


    http://www.thenation.com/blog/167610/scott-walkers-austerity-agenda-yields-worst-job-losses-us

    More here:

    "[Wisconsin] posts largest percentage job loss in U.S. over past year"

    http://www.jsonline.com/business/state-posts-largest-percentage-job-loss-in-us-over-past-year-report-shows-ib54utt-148694855.html


  • jock_1

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    Apr 28, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
    He has a net gain of jobs since he has become gov. Like the dems like to use...he inherited the worst fiscal mess this state has hever seen. Give it a rest christian , the job losses have mostly come from milwaukee county of which tom barrett happens to be the mayor. barratt hasnt done anything to creat jobs in this city so why would you think he could do it as gov?? This is just democraps reaching for straws. The fact of the matter is the act10 reforms are working after only 1 year in office.

    But it seems you will give Obama a pass on job creation after 4 years in office. ahaha, ur too funny
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    He said he'd create 250,000 jobs and lost 16,900.

    You can bullshit however you want but the proof is in the pudding.
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:30 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidHe has a net gain of jobs since he has become gov...


    HOW can there be a "net gain of jobs" in the state of Wisconsin when the U. S. Bureau of Statistics reported that the state lost 16,900 jobs?



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    Apr 28, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    The proof is in the pudding that Obama has created such a shit enviornment to create jobs that no state is siing any great gains in job creation. Plus the fact that our state has been in a political state of recall elections businesses are afraid to hire new workers because they dont know if the democraps will take the state back down the shitter. We had a chance to create over 10,000 state jobs but the democraps voted against a mining bill all because they didnt want wlaker to get the credit...so petty

    If Walker wins you will see job growth like crazy in our state. If he doesnt you will see job losses at a staggering rate like the Doyle years in which we lost over 150,000 jobs.

    If we Boot Obama i am sure the country as a whole will see tremendous job growth

    And thanks for being so concerned about my state. Maybe you can come up with some solutions on how we should create jobs or what you plan would be for Wisconsin because we havent seen any democrat step up and offer any solution.
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
    rnch said
    jock_1 saidHe has a net gain of jobs since he has become gov...


    HOW can there be a "net gain of jobs" in the state of Wisconsin when the U. S. Bureau of Statistics reported that the state lost 16,900 jobs?



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    because many of those jobs will not be refilled. most were government jobs which people retired or were let go. its a numbers games.

    if you also look the states unemplyment rate went for about 9% to 6.8% since he took office.

    I'd woory about the city of milwaukee where tom barrett is mator and the democrats own the city. unemployment at over 10% and the black working mans unemployment level at over 50%. no way this man can run the state, he should be recalled as mayor.
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    jock_1 said...If Walker wins you will see job growth like crazy in our state...




    yeh, Walker (and the kock bros.) have done an excellent job so far creating jobs....



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  • jock_1

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    Apr 28, 2012 5:46 PM GMT
    You just cant accept the fact its working in wisconsin. please move on past the whoever brothers its not a factor or relavent.

    you must be a union hack who is crying about having to pay thier fair share now...welcome to the real world
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    Apr 28, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    the fact is that Walker was county excutive for 8 years in milwaukee county...amazing for being a democratic city.....the reason? people loved what he did. he controled the budget and kept county property taxes down. the dems hated him but couldnt get him out of office. but the people loved him, thats why he ran for gov. and won. he said he will do the same thing for the state and he is doing it. give the man his 4 years, then you can judge him just like we are going to judge Obama.
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    Apr 28, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    jock_1:

    It's apparent you have no earthly idea what you're talking about.

    Jobs will not magically appear if Walker wins the recall or magically disappear if he doesn't.

    What Walker has done is working for those funders who put him in office, who do not share the goals and aspirations of Wisconsinites. Rather, there interest is in reversing environmental regulations, getting cheap access to state owned resources and pushing back on worker's rights.

    You're welcome to sit around and feel slighted because some teacher pays less for her health insurance than you do while supporting a politician who is the puppet of people that do not have your interests at heart but unless you're a billionaire, it's a fool's errand.

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    Apr 29, 2012 2:54 AM GMT
    It's certainly clear that they don't teach writing in Wisconsin.
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:21 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidjock_1:

    It's apparent you have no earthly idea what you're talking about.

    Jobs will not magically appear if Walker wins the recall or magically disappear if he doesn't.

    What Walker has done is working for those funders who put him in office, who do not share the goals and aspirations of Wisconsinites. Rather, there interest is in reversing environmental regulations, getting cheap access to state owned resources and pushing back on worker's rights.

    You're welcome to sit around and feel slighted because some teacher pays less for her health insurance than you do while supporting a politician who is the puppet of people that do not have your interests at heart but unless you're a billionaire, it's a fool's errand.



    Yeah other than the fact he actually lives in Wisconsin, you must know better since you live in New York so you definitely know what you're talking about icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:43 AM GMT
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    riddler78 saidYeah other than the fact he actually lives in Wisconsin, you must know better since you live in New York so you definitely know what you're talking about

    Amazing.
    What a dork you are.
    You spend your ENTIRE ONLINE LIFE commenting about a country you don't live in, and yet you say stupid things like this.

    You are the consummate troll. You are the Canadian Pattison.


    You're such a dumbass if you don't recognize the fact this is the same criticism that you use for others. I don't fault you for being stupid of course, drugs can certainly take their toll. Given that I can barely tell the difference between your posts and TropicalMark's, I'll just say you're projecting. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:30 AM GMT
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    JPtheBITCH said
    riddler78 saidYeah other than the fact he actually lives in Wisconsin, you must know better since you live in New York so you definitely know what you're talking about

    Amazing.
    What a dork you are.
    You spend your ENTIRE ONLINE LIFE commenting about a country you don't live in, and yet you say stupid things like this.

    You are the consummate troll. You are the Canadian Pattison.


    You're such a dumbass if you don't recognize the fact this is the same criticism that you use for others. I don't fault you for being stupid of course, drugs can certainly take their toll. Given that I can barely tell the difference between your posts and TropicalMark's, I'll just say you're projecting. icon_lol.gif


    JP has your measure. Beyond which I will say that my points - which you can't dismiss nor can you dismiss the fact that Walker has overseen job losses not gains - where more general than Wisconsin and particularly to what jock_1 sees as Walker being on the side of Wisconsinites. Which he's not.
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    Apr 29, 2012 5:11 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    JPtheBITCH said
    riddler78 saidYeah other than the fact he actually lives in Wisconsin, you must know better since you live in New York so you definitely know what you're talking about

    Amazing.
    What a dork you are.
    You spend your ENTIRE ONLINE LIFE commenting about a country you don't live in, and yet you say stupid things like this.

    You are the consummate troll. You are the Canadian Pattison.


    You're such a dumbass if you don't recognize the fact this is the same criticism that you use for others. I don't fault you for being stupid of course, drugs can certainly take their toll. Given that I can barely tell the difference between your posts and TropicalMark's, I'll just say you're projecting. icon_lol.gif


    JP has your measure. Beyond which I will say that my points - which you can't dismiss nor can you dismiss the fact that Walker has overseen job losses not gains - where more general than Wisconsin and particularly to what jock_1 sees as Walker being on the side of Wisconsinites. Which he's not.


    Lol you'd say that too. Most austerity results in short term losses - but that's the choice you typically have to make. Make real structural changes that improve the economy in the long term or pretend that there's nothing wrong and achieve slower growth going forward. The type of spending cuts also matter. I'd also be interested however in looking at the other details he has brought up given the macro numbers you're pointing to versus some of the granular data he's stated.
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    Apr 29, 2012 10:47 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    riddler78 saidYeah other than the fact he actually lives in Wisconsin, you must know better since you live in New York so you definitely know what you're talking about

    Amazing.
    What a dork you are.
    You spend your ENTIRE ONLINE LIFE commenting about a country you don't live in, and yet you say stupid things like this.

    You are the consummate troll. You are the Canadian Pattison.






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  • jock_1

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    Apr 29, 2012 12:21 PM GMT
    June 8th it will all be settled....AGAIN !! we will see how Wiscons feels about Walker and what he is doing. Believe me if he keeps his job, you aint seen nothing yet as far as reforms.

    just a little inside scoop from me
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    jock_1 saidJune 8th it will all be settled....AGAIN !! we will see how Wiscons feels about Walker and what he is doing. Believe me if he keeps his job, you aint seen nothing yet as far as reforms.

    just a little inside scoop from me


    I'm sure if he keeps his job, it will continue to be worse for the people of Wisconsin. Perhaps once you lose your job or business, you'll feel differently.
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    Apr 29, 2012 7:50 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    jock_1 saidJune 8th it will all be settled....AGAIN !! we will see how Wiscons feels about Walker and what he is doing. Believe me if he keeps his job, you aint seen nothing yet as far as reforms.

    just a little inside scoop from me


    I'm sure if he keeps his job, it will continue to be worse for the people of Wisconsin. Perhaps once you lose your job or business, you'll feel differently.


    What a silly thing to say, but then again i would expect nothing less comming from you.

    If I lose my job or my business fails, its not Scott Walkers fault. It's my fault
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    Apr 29, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidIf I lose my job or my business fails, its not Scott Walkers fault. It's my fault

    That is the crux of what liberals don't understand and won't accept. Accountability and responsibility. Much easier to pass them than to take them.
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    Apr 29, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
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    jock_1 saidIf I lose my job or my business fails, its not Scott Walkers fault. It's my fault

    That is the crux of what liberals don't understand and won't accept. Accountability and responsibility. Much easier to pass them than to take them.


    It's perverse that you say that because it's in this form that the limits of individualism are most clearly apparent.

    It's true that if you don't perform well in your job and you lose it then you only have yourself to blame. But what if you do your job well and the business still fails? As someone who works with startups a lot, I'm sorry to say that this happens all the time. Or consider all the people who worked for firms like borders or Enron? What if you run a great business but suddenly your product becomes obsolete due to innovation? Or your main buyer goes bankrupt?

    If one is to make moral judgements about employment, surely they must be sensitive to the harsh nature of markets?

    It seems to me that one can laud accountability and responsibility and nonetheless legitimately have this worry.

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    Apr 29, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    jock_1 saidIf I lose my job or my business fails, its not Scott Walkers fault. It's my fault

    That is the crux of what liberals don't understand and won't accept. Accountability and responsibility. Much easier to pass them than to take them.


    I'll be sure to pass this on to southbeach1500. Apparently he doesn't understand and won't accept that when someone loses his job or a business fails, it is not President Obama's fault.

    It appears that Mitt Romney doesn't understand and won't accept this as well. As noted in DoomsdayAlpaca's thread, he put the blame on a closed factory on Obama (despite that it was closed in 2008 )
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    Apr 29, 2012 9:12 PM GMT
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    jock_1 saidIf I lose my job or my business fails, its not Scott Walkers fault. It's my fault

    That is the crux of what liberals don't understand and won't accept. Accountability and responsibility. Much easier to pass them than to take them.


    If your job is outsourced overseas, explain how that is your fault.
    If you are hit by a car leaving work and become permanently disabled and unable to work, explain how that is your fault.
    If your employer downsizes and you are let go because of that, how is that your fault?

    Socal, you know better, and for you in remembrance of the US draft, if you were drafted and upon return from war you were seriously maimed and so could not work, explain how that is your fault.
    If, when you returned from war your job had been given to another, explain how that is your fault.

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    Apr 29, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
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    jock_1 saidIf I lose my job or my business fails, its not Scott Walkers fault. It's my fault

    That is the crux of what liberals don't understand and won't accept. Accountability and responsibility. Much easier to pass them than to take them.

    My comment is in the specific context of expecting the Government, State or Federal, to provide guarantees that the marketplace does not provide. Except for specific categories, the proper role of government is to say out of the way and not burden the private sector.

    Start-ups fail for numerous reasons, as do established companies. Companies that have failed, been absorbed into oblivion, or are on the ropes include Kodak, Polaroid, the various mini-computer and mainframe computer developers. Yes, the employees are unlucky, and Government provides assistance such as unemployment benefits, but the ultimate responsibility for retraining and getting a new job ultimately lies with the individual.

    The focus of my comments is not to the person who as experienced setbacks. Most successful people have at some point, but they get back up rather than focusing blame on others. That includes the occupy demonstrators who do not have jobs, not counting those in difficult circumstances.

    (The comments about wounded vets are such a ridiculous extrapolation that they don't merit further discussion.)
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    Apr 29, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
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    jock_1 saidIf I lose my job or my business fails, its not Scott Walkers fault. It's my fault

    That is the crux of what liberals don't understand and won't accept. Accountability and responsibility. Much easier to pass them than to take them.

    My comment is in the specific context of expecting the Government, State or Federal, to provide guarantees that the marketplace does not provide. Except for specific categories, the proper role of government is to say out of the way and not burden the private sector.


    So I think in fact you're agreeing that there are moral limits to markets, no? What are the "specific categories" to which you allude but do not define?

    Perhaps there is some agreement to be found between us all after all!