Why are some gay people intolerant?

  • Trajen1

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    Apr 29, 2012 2:52 AM GMT
    I have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:41 AM GMT
    Why is a piece of string long?
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:46 AM GMT
    Trajen1 said Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes.

    Well, if their despisal is legitimate, maybe they have a basis for being intolerant of you.
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:49 AM GMT
    SkinnyBitch saidWhy is a piece of string long?
    If you break the piece of string down to subatomic particles and remove the "empty space" (aka: dark matter) then you'll find the piece of string is actually about the size of a neutron.
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:51 AM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
    Trajen1 said Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes.

    Well, if their despisal is legitmate, maybe they have a basis for being intolerant of you.



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    Apr 29, 2012 3:56 AM GMT
    Some people are retarded. Could be you or them. We all got our own reasons to justify our beliefs.
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:09 AM GMT
    Trajen1 saidWhy are some gay people intolerant?
    To answer the OQ (original question), some gay people are intolerant because gays are no different from straights and bi's. No matter who you are, somebody is going to hate you.
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:16 AM GMT
    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:23 AM GMT
    Honestly believe that it comes from a living with intolerance themselves. I grew up in a somewhat more modern-liberal/moderate family, so I believe that helps explain why I am the way I am. Now, living the Intolerable South I can say that my belief has become more sure since there is so much more intolerance of most things different; self homo-hatred, closetedness, and several others things my mind is forgetting cause of how stupid they are... If we can create a world of acceptance amongst ourselves NOW in the moment we live in, maybe we can all grow to be more tolerant of each other; and those sad fools who Hate us.
    IMHO.>
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:23 AM GMT
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    Caslon19000 said
    Trajen1 said Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes.

    Well, if their despisal is legitmate, maybe they have a basis for being intolerant of you.



    +1. I belief!


    +2. My question is: how did these subjects come up? Are you introduced as the gay conservative gay guy?
  • araphael

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    Apr 29, 2012 4:26 AM GMT
    You ask a good question dude. I don't know the answer but I do know that tonight I stepped outside of my normal gay interaction and experience and hooked up with a greek guy and it was like, what the hell? that shit was hot! this man's passion was as hot as an african's. i'm like, kinda confused and conflicted right now actually because I think I really liked this guy and the sex we just had. What the hell? I'm not supposed to feel this for white American guys, they have race obsession issues (usually), well I was taught that most them do. But this guy didn't seem to have such issues. I gotta think a little bit on this. Sorry, lol, to get back to your question, I was raised to despise intolerant people and I've always fought that impulse within myself. We humans, just like everything else in nature, are different and varied. Right now, tonight, I can admit from experience that I am glad my parents raised me to not be intolerant of those who are different from me. Just look at what I would have never expereinced this night if I was intolerant of those who are different from me. Don't the let the haters, religious or otherwise, get you down dude.
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?


    Depends on why they are so intolerant. Some might have been thrown out of the house and not accepted from their "Christian" conservative family. Others may have been bullied relentlessly in school by so called "Christian" conservatives b/c they were gay. Others might resent the fact that the GOP is most intolerant party of gay people and resent that the people who vote for these people are the ones voting for them to not be able to get married, not be able to adopt or have foster children, or simply every four years makes the gay community feel worse then shit on someones boot. Some conservative "Christians" tell gay people they are damned to an eternity in hell and that we are perverts that are equivalent to child molesters and sheep fuckers.

    So many have maybe legitimate intolerance of a party who has been pretty intolerant of us.

    I have a few conservative "Christian" family members who before I came out I thought loved me unconditionally and thought highly of me. As soon as I came out it was as if I was equal to a murderer. I was shocked. These are people I took care of when they were sick, loaned money to, went on family vacations with, spent the holidays with, grew up with, kept their secrets for, babysat their kids for, was the first one they would call if they were in trouble and needed my help, etc. Then as soon as I revealed I was gay to now judge and openly hate on me.

    I show tolerance now of them and their bigoted ways more then they ever show me and I become more "Christian" then them when I "turn the other cheek" as they call me a pervert and that I am damned to hell if I don't change and repent.

    I can understand being Christian and gay (I am. Although I am not "religious". I am spiritual and open to everyones beliefs) but I have a hard time understanding why someone who is gay would vote for anyone in the GOP that works against the gay community and basic cival rights.
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    Apr 29, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?


    Your view of tolerance is fucked up.

    HOLDING TOLERANCE AS A CORE VALUE DOES NOT REQUIRE ONE TO TOLERATE INTOLERANCE.

    And you don't think "Christian conservative" equates to intolerance you are blind. It's the very meaning of the two words.
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    Apr 29, 2012 6:54 AM GMT
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    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?


    Your view of tolerance is fucked up.

    HOLDING TOLERANCE AS A CORE VALUE DOES NOT REQUIRE ONE TO TOLERATE INTOLERANCE.

    And you don't think "Christian conservative" equates to intolerance you are blind. It's the very meaning of the two words.


    +1

    Its like saying people of color should tolerate racists like the KKK and their views despite them working against their civil rights. I don't get it.

    JMHO though.
  • Trajen1

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:13 AM GMT
    Balljunkie said
    Iceblink said
    Caslon19000 said
    Trajen1 said Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes.

    Well, if their despisal is legitmate, maybe they have a basis for being intolerant of you.



    +1. I belief!


    +2. My question is: how did these subjects come up? Are you introduced as the gay conservative gay guy?


    That is how they know me, it is intolerance not based on my beliefs, they are unwilling to even hear what the beliefs are. Instead, it hatred based on a stereotype. Which is a true indicator of their hypocrisy. I imagine everyone would say this, but I am a very easy to get along with and loving person. I assure you the hatred isn't merited.
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    Apr 30, 2012 5:17 AM GMT
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    showme said
    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?


    Your view of tolerance is fucked up.

    HOLDING TOLERANCE AS A CORE VALUE DOES NOT REQUIRE ONE TO TOLERATE INTOLERANCE.

    And you don't think "Christian conservative" equates to intolerance you are blind. It's the very meaning of the two words.


    +1

    Its like saying people of color should tolerate racists like the KKK and their views despite them working against their civil rights. I don't get it.

    JMHO though.


    You stereotype christian conservatives in the same way some would stereotype you. Neither is right.
  • offshore

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:20 AM GMT
    A chrisitan gay conservative is like a Jew joining the nazi party, you work it out.
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    Apr 30, 2012 5:21 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?
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    Indeed.
    We have never been on a crusade to wipe out christian conservatives.
    Yet, you guys make it practically a full time job, attempting to wipe out gay people, or at least force all of us back in the closet, with zero equal rights.
    Why would you join a cult that wants to destroy you ?
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    Apr 30, 2012 5:23 AM GMT
    Are you out to your pastor? To the other people at your church? To the Christian groups you are a member of on campus? Are they accepting of your sexual orientation?
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    Apr 30, 2012 5:24 AM GMT
    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?
    So what do you hope to gain by having these open discussions? I mean, seems kinda pointless. You have your opinions, and they have their opinions. No one is going to change their minds.
  • metta

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:25 AM GMT
    Gay people are represented in every part of society....of course some will be intolerant. A better question might be why would there not be? Look at how you can find any minority group of people that have been ostracized, and you can find people in that group that will ostracize others: ex: Jews against gays, blacks against gays, asians against gays, women against gays, fat people against gays, athiests against gays, vegetarians against gays etc.

    There is a point that I do feel that Christianity can step over the line by harming other people. And yeah, I will not be quiet about that. I generally don't have a problem with Christianity unless it starts to harm others.
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    Apr 30, 2012 5:26 AM GMT
    metta8 saidGay people are represented in every part of society....of course some will be intolerant. A better question might be why would there not be? Look at how you can find any minority group of people that have been ostracized, and you can find people in that group that will ostracize others: ex: Jews against gays, blacks against gays, asians against gays, women against gays, fat people against gays, athiests against gays, vegetarians against gays etc.


    Awesome answer!
  • Trajen1

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidAre you out to your pastor? To the other people at your church? To the Christian groups you are a member of on campus? Are they accepting of your sexual orientation?


    I am involved in a conservative group on campus called Young Americans for Freedom (YAF). Very christian, and very conservative. I came out to them all in December. I just won a position as an elected officer. I'd say that they either were tolerant this whole time, or I changed their point of view. Either way I take it as a victory for my life's goal.....to make conservatives/ Republicans become more open and tolerant to those who are different.
  • Trajen1

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
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    Trajen1 saidI have a relatively big group of gay friends/acquaintances, two of us are christian conservatives. Some of the other members in this group legitimately despise us for our believes. They aren't evening willing to have an open discussion on the issue. So my question is: how can some gay people, the ones who preach a message of having the utmost tolerance, be so intolerant to conservatives like myself? Did they miss the part that true tolerance stretches to those who have differing opinions? How are these individuals so bold at not practicing the tolerance they preach?
    So what do you hope to gain by having these open discussions? I mean, seems kinda pointless. You have your opinions, and they have their opinions. No one is going to change their minds.


    I disagree, I've already changed a few opinions.
  • metta

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    Apr 30, 2012 5:36 AM GMT
    offshore saidA chrisitan gay conservative is like a Jew joining the nazi party, you work it out.


    I don't agree with this. I know Christians that are very loving and go to gay friendly Christian Churches....there are thousands of these churches. I have no problem with these people. Yes, the churches they go to are more on the liberal side. I also don't have a problem with people that are conservative as long as they understand how important it is to protect peoples civil rights. I mean the type of conservative that strongly believes that the government should stay out of the private lives of people. The type of conservative that believes in supporting all families.

    I have conservative/republican friends that will not vote for any politician that fights against civil rights. They also donate money to support marriage equality.

    Yes, they are a small minority. We need more conservatives like this and they should be supported. It is growing.

    If we are to ever have any hope of moving this country forward and protecting this planet so that future generations will have a livable planet, the Republican party is going to have to change for the better. The Republicans and Democrats have designed our system so that they will retain power. Unless we have a new government, realistically, we have to work with what we have...with all of its dysfunctions. The Democrats are not usually powerful enough to do it on their own.

    We need a full time channel dedicated to to correct and the disinformation that faux news outlets put out.