To our future King and Queen

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    Apr 29, 2012 8:03 AM GMT
    The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Happy first wedding anniversary.

    Long live the Queen.
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    Apr 29, 2012 9:15 AM GMT
    I truly hope things work out for you two, as you have well and truly saved Oz from being smashed apart and ravaged by those who want to dismantle us, just to turn us into a republic, and possibly be ruled under a dictatorship; I mean to say. if it's not broken why fix it.

    Also thank you for putting a Smile on our Head Of States face, for her Diamond Jubilee year; her family truly let her down 10 years ago.
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    Apr 29, 2012 9:28 AM GMT
    Ironic that you are such a monarchist given that it was Queen Victoria who outlawed sexual relations between men in 1885 (Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885) but not between women. A law which still remains in former British colonies and make life very difficult for our gay brothers in these nations.
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:29 PM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidThe Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Happy first wedding anniversary.

    Long live the Queen.


    A pair of blood sucking in-bred layabouts descended froicon_evil.gifm a long line of murderers and adulterers - including his dad - no place for such low life in Oz
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
    Australia would become a dictatorship without a royal head of state? And here I thought delusional parnoids were exclusive to the USA.
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 29, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    Monarchists say the same in the UK! They rule us for our benefit!
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    Apr 29, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    Happy anniversary boss
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
    http://www.republic.org.uk/

    What we want

    We want a democratically accountable head of state and an end to any constitutional role for the royal family.

    We advocate keeping our parliamentary democracy but replacing the unelected monarch with a directly elected, ceremonial head of state - much like the system in Ireland.

    Any decision on a new constitutional settlement must always be the British people's, through a referendum.

    Why we want it

    The monarchy is not only an unaccountable and expensive institution, unrepresentative of modern Britain, it also gives politicians almost limitless power.

    It does this is in a variety of ways:

    The royal prerogative: Former royal powers that allow the Prime Minister to declare war or sign treaties (amongst other things) without a vote in Parliament

    The Privy Council: A body of advisors to the monarch, now mostly made up of senior politicians, which can enact legislation without a vote in Parliament

    The Crown-in-Parliament: The principle, which came about when parliament removed much of the monarch's power, by which Parliament can pass any law it likes - meaning our liberties can never be guaranteed.

    We believe our democracy should inspire a common sense of "we the people" - together we should own, control and take responsibility for our political affairs. We believe Britain deserves a republican constitution in place of the monarchy because you deserve the very best democracy possible.

    Today there are few who believe our democracy is the best it can be. So often we hear about politicians not being accountable, about government centralising power, about parliament and cabinet having little control over the prime minister. We call ourselves a democracy yet we elect less than half our parliament. We get to vote once every four or five years yet between elections the government's power is limitless.

    We believe most of the problems in our democracy can be traced back to one source: the Crown. And we believe too, no matter what the political and constitutional arguments, it is simply unacceptable for the monarchy to continue. No nation that claims to value democracy can also value an institution based on elitism, exclusive privilege and hereditary public office.

    We believe a republican constitution is best for Britain.
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    Apr 29, 2012 4:48 PM GMT
    also from Republic.org.uk website

    The case for a republic

    This is your country. It is your future. Your democracy. Your choice. The case for a republic is clear - aspiration, responsibility and democracy, or an unaccountable political system at the heart of which is an institution based on inheritance and exclusive privilege.
    Britain deserves the best. That means the best democracy we can create, a democracy that genuinely puts you, us, in charge. Our children should be inspired to believe they can achieve anything they want and our democracy should encourage that sense of aspiration. We should all be encouraged to take responsibility for our own political affairs, and our democracy should embody that responsibility.

    The monarchy does none of these things. It embodies a spirit of deference and dependence on others. It robs us of aspiration, telling us that even the wisest and most talented commoner is no match for even the most unpleasant and immoral royal. Crucially though, the monarchy is the heart of the British constitution and as such it denies us the best democracy we could have. It keeps from us the power to rule ourselves, it crushes the democratic spirit in order to justify its own existence.

    Power and politics / princes and palaces
    Our case for a republic comes in two forms. There is the issue of power and politics, how the monarchy is the centre of our constitution and what it means for our democracy. And there is the issue of princes and palaces, the accountability of the tax-funded royal household, what a hereditary head of state means for Britain and the problems with leaving such an important office to chance. Both these sides of the debate raise serious questions about Britain and our constitution. For both issues republicanism provides powerful and persuasive answers.

    Democracy v Heredity
    Our constitution is fundamentally undemocratic. Sure, it has some features of a democracy - for example we are permitted to elect just under half of our parliament - but at its core British politics concentrates unaccountable and unlimited power in the hands of a few, at the top.

    Some people will tell you that the monarchy is little more than a harmless decoration, a novelty left over from our past. It isn't. It is the basis and the heart of our constitution. This is why the abolition of the monarchy is the most important of all possible political reforms. By abolishing the monarchy we will need a new constitution. This reform will provide a unique opportunity to deal with many of the problems in our current political system.

    We will also then address the issue of the monarchy itself, the question of what a hereditary head of state says about Britain, the way we leave the important choice of head of state to chance and how lacking in accountability and transparency the royal household really is.

    The choice is ours
    We have a choice. We can leave things as they are and face the prospect of a politically active and unaccountable King Charles residing in a wasteful palace. We can continue to tolerate nepotism, corruption and abuse of privilege at the heart of our constitution, we can continue to tell our children they can never be good enough to be our head of state... or we can opt for the change this country needs.

    Britain deserves the best, and it's in your power to give it the best. This is our country, these decisions are ours to make. Do you want your children and grandchildren to still be living with the monarchy in 100 years time? Or will we together make the decision to bring an end to the monarchy and give Britain the democracy it deserves?

    Some will tell you that this is all too difficult, that we should accept the monarchy as fact and just look to smaller, more achievable reforms. We don't believe in surrendering to those who benefit the most from our undemocratic constitution. We mustn't abandon our responsibility to improve our country for future generations.

    This is our country and our democracy. If a reform is important - and this is the most important reform of all - then is it worth fighting for. We believe it is a fight that can be won, and won soon, with your help.
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    Apr 29, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
    ozmuscle2A pair of blood sucking in-bred layabouts descended from a long line of murderers and adulterers - including his dad - no place for such low life in Oz


    Well said. Australia is the land of egalitarian values. There's no place for this old world rot.



    I'd prefer to see an Irish President model where the President ( Uachtarán in Irish) performs ceremonial roles of behalf of the Republic and doesn't wield a lot of power. The President is nothing more than a figurehead.

    Within recent years, Ireland has elected the following calibre of leaders.

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    Mary Robinson, barrister and tireless human rights advocate who worked as the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. Robinson has been applauded internationally for her efforts to end discrimination, imprisonment and torture of Gay and Lesbian people.

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    Mary McAleese

    Cofounders of the Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform across Ireland and worked towards peace and reconciliation among the Catholic and Protestant communities of Ireland.

    Why shouldn't we be able to choose a quality head of state of our own?
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    Apr 29, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    MOTD saidalso from Republic.org.uk website

    The case for a republic

    This is your country. It is your future. Your democracy. Your choice. The case for a republic is clear - aspiration, responsibility and democracy, or an unaccountable political system at the heart of which is an institution based on inheritance and exclusive privilege....


    Oh yeah, get yourselves a Congress. That's the ticket. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Apr 29, 2012 6:28 PM GMT
    Or just become a "Corporatist-Plutarchy as a Constitutional Republic In Pretense" as the United States currently are.

    Though the chances of the UK (or Australia) giving up the Monarchy are as about as slim as Germany restoring Georg von Preu├čen to the German Imperial Throne, much less any of the other German royalty to their respective kingdoms or duchies.
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 29, 2012 6:39 PM GMT
    I wish William and Katherine a happy wedding anniversary!

    I just don`t want to be ruled by King William the Fifth!
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    Apr 29, 2012 7:26 PM GMT
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    TrueBlueAussie saidThe Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Happy first wedding anniversary.

    Long live the Queen.


    A pair of blood sucking in-bred layabouts descended froicon_evil.gifm a long line of murderers and adulterers - including his dad - no place for such low life in Oz
    Maybe one should go and look up the civil list history, and one may find in fact, the Working Royal's get paid from the civil list by Royal Lands in the governments hands that the government receive much rent from that goes to infrastructure, and too pay the Civil List. Now if the Queen was to take all her family's land back, and recive all it's $$$$$$$$$ she would be a very wealthy women, and with no need of a Government.

    If you don;t like it then leave. Why should this country that works very well, suffer because people who live here do not respect the Great Nation we are, and want to just dismantle us to suit their very own selfish Agenda's.

    If it's not broken why fix it, and I'm please that the popularity of William and kate has put the Republican movement in Oz backwards, because thats were they want to take us. Is Russia Any better off since it become a Republic?

    Long live the Queen.
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    Apr 29, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
    dj12 saidAustralia would become a dictatorship without a royal head of state? And here I thought delusional parnoids were exclusive to the USA.


    It can not be rules out because the last time it seemed a real issue of Oz becoming a republic, but Oz voted in Her Majesty. The left wing Government did not want the people of Oz to pick the president, they wanted that to be left up to government; jobs for the mates. But the People of Oz wisely decided to vote in the Queen, and not go with a Republic; after all why fix something that works.

    Now America is a Republic, and the UK is not; yet the homosexuals of Mother England have more rights and seen more advanced than their brothers across the pond in America.

    Is there not proof in history of countries becoming a republic, thus living under a dictatorship; as One asked as one raised their eye brow.

    Foot note it could also be suggested the arias in Oz were we have gone wrong and faltered, has been places were we have allowed this great Southern land to be influenced by things American, and not following our own independence that we have.

    Long Live the Queen
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    Apr 29, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
    Forgive me for my ignorance, but will she actually be cornated as a queen?


    I'm very upset they have yet to visit me in Canada. I even sent them a wedding gift.
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    Apr 29, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
    mizu5 saidForgive me for my ignorance, but will she actually be cornated as a queen?


    I'm very upset they have yet to visit me in Canada. I even sent them a wedding gift.
    You must of been asleep, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have already been to Canada and the US since their wedding.
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    Apr 29, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    Yes its time for a British republic.
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    Apr 29, 2012 10:28 PM GMT
    Such a hard life tut-tutting it around the world attending things - whilst staying in ultimate luxury.
    All the romantic bullshit, she was selected like Diana, to produce a good looking heir and to Generally look good, nothing more than a child bearing vessel. In the real world William would have had no chance with her (except the fact he is in line to be the king and all the benefits and privileges which are attached).
    Such a carefully orchestrated wedding which main goal was to raise the waning support of Britain and its dominions. Unfortunately it worked and the republican movement has recieved quite a blow.
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    Apr 30, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidYes its time for a British republic.


    lets not forget the first time Britain did that between Charles1 and 2. Maybe it's time the USA come back to the Commonwealth! Better than being ruled by China.icon_wink.gif

    America would of loved nothing more than for the Late Dianna Spencer, to of called America home, as at last they would of had their very own Royalty Again; beats Camelot, and those Kennedy's.

    Tinny Time, it's such a long time since we seen your face; what happend?
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    Apr 30, 2012 4:29 AM GMT
    TrueBlueAussie saidThe Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Happy first wedding anniversary.

    Long live the Queen.


    Has the royal fam started paying for their lavish life styles? Some traditions are made to be broken.

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    Apr 30, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
    orthojock said
    TrueBlueAussie saidThe Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Happy first wedding anniversary.

    Long live the Queen.


    Has the royal fam started paying for their lavish life styles? Some traditions are made to be broken.



    Darling. They have paid for it all along. Go look at the history of the Civil List, you will see the Government holds much of their very valuable real estate, and receives a lot of revenue/rent from it, that goes to the tax payer, and also to the Civil List. Now if the Queen was to take back controle of all her family's land and assets, and receive "all" the revenue from them, not only would she be a very wealthy women, but also have no need of Government either; and thus people of the UK would thus have too pay more taxation; do you work for free?

    There will always be them and us, no matter what.
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    Apr 30, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
    Katie is cute is a button.
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    Apr 30, 2012 4:34 AM GMT
    Long live the Queen and may God bless William and Kate to have as many children as they want.
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    Apr 30, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidKatie is cute is a button.


    We know you are invidious about her legs, thus envious, thus this leeds one to be injuries towards Kate.

    look how the world loved the late Princess of wales;just for her look. Kate has this and even more; she will be the Queen Dianna never could of been.