Have You Had a Healing Miracle?

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    Apr 30, 2012 1:37 PM GMT
    Late in 2011 I had surgery to remove carcinoma. The surgeon is the head of the department at a major east-coast medical center, and is considered a world-class expert.

    In early 2012 several of my lymph nodes became swollen. They "lit up" on a PET scan (a test used to detect cancer). The diagnosis was a recurrence of carcinoma. A 9+ hour surgery was planned. Over twenty lymph nodes would be removed. A skin graft would be required. After the surgery, radiation treatments were planned, which would wreck my summer. The odds for a cure were said to be 50/50. My future looked bleak in many ways.

    The world-class expert was going overseas for Easter and could not do the surgery until he returned. He asked his much younger assistant if he could work me into his busy surgery schedule. The details of the micro-vascular skin graft were tough to take. It meant at least six days in the hospital.

    I asked at least seven prayer warriors and prayer teams, including friends, relatives, the Missionaries of Charity, Food for the Poor, TBN, and the 700 Club, to pray for me. I became a Catholic in a state of grace again, and prayed a lot, asking that the condition be rendered harmless. Two friends, a former major league baseball player and his wife, gave me some books, a CD, and other materials on healing miracles.

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    Three statements in one of the books impressed me. They were that (1) healing was already bought and paid for by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross, (2) Christians are entitled to claim, receive, and accept healing, and (3) we should believe, speak, and pray as though the healing has already happened. "By His stripes we are healed" (Isaiah and Peter).

    While I was on the operating table, the surgeon did three more biopsies, almost as a formality. They showed no malignancy. The lymph node removal and skin graft surgeries were cancelled. As I was being rolled down the hallway afterwards, the surgeon and his associates met me. He said something like, "You could be the one who defies everything we expected. I don't have an explanation." I was groggy but said something like, "Doctor, you do believe in miracles, don't you?" I wished him blessed holy days, since I heard that he was celebrating Passover was in a few days. I was home by about 6:30 pm that same day, stunning several key friends who were going to look after my house and pets for at least a week.

    When I returned to the hospital a week later for a post-op visit, five puzzled but smiling doctors filed into the room. The surgeon said "we biopsied the heck out of the area and couldn't find anything" and recalled phoning the world-class expert in Europe and admitting "I don't know what the heck this is."

    I feel like I got my life back again. The swelling is going away. I'm playing competitive tennis again and am looking forward to a big summer of tennis.

    For believers, the phenomenon of healing miracles is fascinating and exciting. It is one of the main reasons why Christianity is growing explosively in some parts of the world. This kind of experience gives a person a new appreciation of life, health, and the promises of the Bible. I have no doubt that there is a God who answers prayers and I thank Him every day that I got my life back.


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    Apr 30, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    Yes. It was in the Gold's Castro gym shower, with a professional figure skater.
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    Apr 30, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    misdiagnosis = miracle? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I wonder why the majority of God's miracles only occur in first-world countries. Can't he multi-task?

    Personally, I'd rather have a god that performs miracles where they're really needed.

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    Apr 30, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
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    Apr 30, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
    It would be too easy to point out problems across the world that God is not solving on my terms. But that's unfair and dishonest, because my relationship with God is not the next person's relationship with God.

    So in being asked whether I believe God is good/faithful/able to intervene miraculously, I dare not comment on another person's situation - I do not have the insider knowledge to do so. No matter how much I care about a person, I can never know the inside story of that person's life quite as well as s/he does. Only God and that person are ultimately responsible for the experience that occurs within that story.

    As for me - I am alive today because of a steady supply of miracles, some big, others small. Some are obvious, some are obscure. A person looking at my life from the outside-in would see a God who's either non-existent or a failure. We see what we want to see. From the inside, I know a great God, a faithful, holy and loving God
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    Apr 30, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
    Glad you're around, jockfever icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 30, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    I normally strive by live and let live but I just recently love my big sister to cervical cancer. Call me jaded but what kind of "God" would allow a faithful, wonderful mother of three beautiful children to die an agonizing death due to her cancer blocking off her bowels?!

    Believe me when I say my mother prayed till her heart bled as well as her church members but alas nothing but agonizing pain for my dear sister. She even once told me before she stopped talking that she wished "God" would heal her so she could spread his message and raise her three kids.

    I even wanted that healing miracle from her "God" but he was nowhere in sight. My sister died in brutal pain that even massive amounts of morphine could not control. I wished for her "God" to take her but no.

    Healing miracles....seems like nothing but hogwash icon_evil.gif
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    credo saidmisdiagnosis = miracle? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I wonder why the majority of God's miracles only occur in first-world countries. Can't he multi-task?

    Personally, I'd rather have a god that performs miracles where they're really needed.

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    This to me is an inarguable point. Thanks credo.

    Who among us is more important than this baby?

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    Apr 30, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    Jockfever, there are a few things that, as a christian, perturb me.

    "After the surgery, radiation treatments were planned, which would wreck my summer."

    Right. Now look at the pic of that baby and imagine what kind of summer it had.

    "I asked at least seven prayer warriors and prayer teams, including friends, relatives, the Missionaries of Charity, Food for the Poor, TBN, and the 700 Club, to pray for me."

    From a christ-perspective this seems rather selfish, and also that god would not know your condition or possible peril. To pray and believe god has granted you this miracle portrays a rather fickle god that will grant your 'prayer warriors' whatever that means, but ignore the plight of a baby.
    You're a certain type of Catholic, so believe that god listens to the repentant sinner (low self esteem anyone?). What does that baby have to repent for?


    After the terrible things you said about your president and his family I hope you indeed are repentant, but I think that it's unlikely.

    "I feel like I got my life back again. The swelling is going away. I'm playing competitive tennis again and am looking forward to a big summer of tennis."

    ..which is certainly more important than that baby.

    -Doug



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    Apr 30, 2012 9:37 PM GMT
    So, your recovery had nothing to do with the skills of the surgeons in your 2011 surgery, or false-positive results on a scan (it happens) in 2012?

    You're just trying to attribute an unexpected change-in-state to some higher power. It's interesting how you put 100% faith in the PET scan, and then put that same faith in something else.
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:38 PM GMT
    credo saidmisdiagnosis = miracle? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I wonder why the majority of God's miracles only occur in first-world countries. Can't he multi-task?

    Personally, I'd rather have a god that performs miracles where they're really needed.

    72kckfq


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    Apr 30, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    meninlove said Jockfever, there are a few things that, as a christian, perturb me.

    "After the surgery, radiation treatments were planned, which would wreck my summer."

    Right. Now look at the pic of that baby and imagine what kind of summer it had.

    "I asked at least seven prayer warriors and prayer teams, including friends, relatives, the Missionaries of Charity, Food for the Poor, TBN, and the 700 Club, to pray for me."

    From a christ-perspective this seems rather selfish, and also that god would not know your condition or possible peril. To pray and believe god has granted you this miracle portrays a rather fickle god that will grant your 'prayer warriors' whatever that means, but ignore the plight of a baby.
    You're a certain type of Catholic, so believe that god listens to the repentant sinner (low self esteem anyone?). What does that baby have to repent for?


    After the terrible things you said about your president and his family I hope you indeed are repentant, but I think that it's unlikely.

    "I feel like I got my life back again. The swelling is going away. I'm playing competitive tennis again and am looking forward to a big summer of tennis."

    ..which is certainly more important than that baby.

    -Doug





    He's also living in the "state of grace" with the church, which means he's celibate. Am I right Jockfever?
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    Apr 30, 2012 9:53 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidIf your god had any power, you'd have wished yourself straight a long time ago. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Maybe he should be looking for Aladdin's lamp instead?

    http://youtu.be/oz3mynB9zDE

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    Apr 30, 2012 10:07 PM GMT
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    intensity69 said
    yourname2000 saidIf your god had any power, you'd have wished yourself straight a long time ago. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Maybe he should be looking for Aladdin's lamp instead?

    http://youtu.be/oz3mynB9zDE

    (sorry, can't embed it icon_cry.gif )

    Hahaha....but look what he'd have to do to rub the genie out of the lamp, lol.


    That was, in fact, the point! icon_wink.gificon_lol.gif
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    Apr 30, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    credo saidmisdiagnosis = miracle? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I wonder why the majority of God's miracles only occur in first-world countries. Can't he multi-task?

    Personally, I'd rather have a god that performs miracles where they're really needed.

    72kckfq



    This to me is an inarguable point. Thanks credo.

    Who among us is more important than this baby?

    No one.
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    May 09, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    The_Watchers: ...As for me - I am alive today because of a steady supply of miracles, some big, others small. Some are obvious, some are obscure. A person looking at my life from the outside-in would see a God who's either non-existent or a failure. We see what we want to see. From the inside, I know a great God, a faithful, holy and loving God.

    jockfever: Your posts are light in pagan darkness. You reflect a God Who is very much alive and successful. May God continue to bless us with miracles big and small. Thanks.
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    May 09, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    Nothing really shocks me in life, except for the myopia and naivete of 'people of faith'.
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    May 11, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle: Hym..I think jockfever has his own personal agenda.

    jockfever: You don't have an agenda? Details were omitted, either to protect my medical privacy, or because they don't seem critical.

    MuchMoreThanMuscle:1) He never mentioned the staging of his cancer.

    jockfever: When first diagnosed, the cancer was Stage 1. Later, when a doctor tells you that cancer invading your lymph nodes makes your chance of survival 50/50, the "Stage" seems like a less critical detail..

    MuchMoreThanMuscle:2) If I'm not mistaken this is the first mention of his cancer which he claims to have had a year ago. He's been in and out of the forums throughout that time period and to my knowledge never once mentioned his struggle with cancer. I find it odd that he now mentions how the power of pray saved him, now that his cancer is supposedly behind him.

    jockfever: November 2011 is not "a year ago." Following the November 2011 surgery, the cancer was supposedly "behind" me. That hardly seemed like a hot discussion topic. An impartial observer would see that I was inactive in the RJ Forums from early March to late April, precisely when the recurrence was diagnosed and the second extensive surgery was planned and almost happened.

    MuchMoreThanMuscle:3) jockfever has not delineated the type of carcinoma that he has/d which makes me question again the authenticity of this thread. It is rare that carcinomas spread to the lymph nodes and with certain types, they simply don't spread to lymph nodes, they remain localized.

    jockfever: The exact type of cancer didn't seem like a critical item, and still doesn't. According to one of the doctors, the chances of that type of cancer spreading to a lymph node are about 30 percent. That isn't "rare" in my opinion. It sounds questionable that there are types of cancer which never spread to the lymphatic system, but I haven't checked that claim.

    MuchMoreThanMuscle:I feel a bit uneasy to be the one to infer that someone is b***s***ing about his or having an illness. I have had cancer twice so I don't take any of this lightly. But with prior posts I've seen of his I can't help but feel the way I feel. Plus, I'm one to believe in the power of directing and manipulating energy. I believe in metaphysics, meditation, etc. but I keep things in perspective and don't get all wrapped up in the dogmatic judgmental crap like religion.

    jockfever: You keep things in perspective? Since you're into manipulating energy, where do you think all the energy in the universe came from?

    What prior posts have to do with this topic, one can only guess. Everything which I've stated is accurate and verifiable.

    Paganism is not judgmental? One thing about pagans: they tend to fancy themselves superior (e.g., smarter and less judgmental) to believers. Some of these pagans go on to become the biggest mass murderers of all time, especially of Jews and Christians. There's a list of about fifty of them who have each been responsible for the murder of at least 20,000 people.

    Since many apparent pagans felt obliged to respond to this topic, more should be said about pagans' perceived superiority versus reality. Later.






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    May 11, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    David Hume saidA miracle is a violation of the laws of nature; and as a firm and unalterable experience has established these laws, the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact, is as entire as any argument from experience can possibly be imagined. Why is it more than probable, that all men must die; that lead cannot, of itself, remain suspended in the air; that fire consumes wood, and is extinguished by water; unless it be, that these events are found agreeable to the laws of nature, and there is required a violation of these laws, or in other words, a miracle to prevent them? Nothing is esteemed a miracle, if it ever happen in the common course of nature. It is no miracle that a man, seemingly in good health, should die on a sudden: because such a kind of death, though more unusual than any other, has yet been frequently observed to happen. But it is a miracle, that a dead man should come to life; because that has never been observed in any age or country. There must, therefore, be a uniform experience against every miraculous event, otherwise the event would not merit that appellation....

    The plain consequence is (and it is a general maxim worthy of our attention), 'That no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish....' When anyone tells me, that he saw a dead man restored to life, I immediately consider with myself, whether it be more probable, that this person should either deceive or be deceived, or that the fact, which he relates, should really have happened. I weigh the one miracle against the other; and according to the superiority, which I discover, I pronounce my decision, and always reject the greater miracle. If the falsehood of his testimony would be more miraculous, than the event which he relates; then, and not till then, can he pretend to command my belief or opinion.

    In the foregoing reasoning we have supposed, that the testimony, upon which a miracle is founded, may possibly amount to an entire proof, and that the falsehood of that testimony would be a real prodigy: But it is easy to shew, that we have been a great deal too liberal in our concession, and that there never was a miraculous event established on so full an evidence.


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    May 11, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    Wow, unbelievable amount of bitter people posting to this thread. It must suck to live a life with a lens of doom and gloom permanently affixed to your eyes. icon_neutral.gif

    To the OP, I'm glad that you were able to make a recovery. Whether for the unknowable power of God or some undiscovered mechanism of the human body, your intentions and the intentions of the people around you made it possible to recover from a potentially fatal affliction. There's a lot to be said for the power of intent in affecting reality, most easily observable in things like the placebo effect.

    To those complaining that God is cruel for allowing the OP to be healed while the baby posted in the picture is left to die of starvation, I challenge you to ask yourself that very same question. Why, with all the luxuries afforded to us by living in 1st world countries, did you do nothing to stop this completely avoidable death? What if you were to be a miracle sent by God for that child but, for your own apathy, a miracle rendered null?

    You may lament that there was nothing you could do to change this reality but that's not true. Because the true reason that human suffering continues to persist lies with humanity, not God.
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    May 11, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    credo: I wonder why the majority of God's miracles only occur in first-world countries.

    jockfever: This is contradicted by the book Megashift by Rutz.

    "It's the fastest-growing faith on the planet. And it's not Islam. ...biblically-inspired, evangelical Christianity is sweeping through places like China, Africa, India and Southeast Asia – making it, by far, the fastest growing faith on the planet.

    "Hundreds of millions of these Christians are simply not associated with the institutional churches at all. They meet in homes. They meet underground. They meet in caves. They meet, he says, in secret.

    "And what is driving this movement? Miracles, he says. Megashift attempts to document myriad healings and other powerful answers to the sincere prayers of this new category of believer, including, believe it or not, hundreds of dramatic cases of resurrections – not near-death experiences, but real resurrections of actual corpses. 'By tomorrow, there will be 175,000 more Christians than there are today' he writes.

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    May 11, 2012 1:11 AM GMT
    You're a fucking psycho freak. And to boot... you joined Catholic? You missed the bus, pal. Pentecostal is more your speed, you crazy ass motherfucker. Why exactly are you on Realjock?
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    May 11, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
    COJONO saidYou're a fucking psycho freak. And to boot... you joined Catholic? You missed the bus, pal. Pentecostal is more your speed, you crazy ass motherfucker. Why exactly are you on Realjock?


    Might wanna ask yourself the same question. But the answer is probably somewhere along the lines of "to vent frustrations from my daily life at strangers online". For what other reason could you feel this much spite is even close to warranted?
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    May 11, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
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    credo saidmisdiagnosis = miracle? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I wonder why the majority of God's miracles only occur in first-world countries. Can't he multi-task?

    Personally, I'd rather have a god that performs miracles where they're really needed.

    72kckfq


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    Then go perform those miracles yourself. It doesn't take an all powerful God to travel to and feed a starving child so why would you excuse yourself of not doing so but blame a God that won't, for whatever reason?
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    May 11, 2012 1:28 AM GMT
    credo: Personally, I'd rather have a god that performs miracles where they're really needed.

    72kckfq

    jockfever: Since it makes quite an impression, how about a quiz on this photograph? This is not an open-book quiz. No Internet searches, please. Test the accuracy of your first impressions.


    1. The photo depicts a situation in which a miracle was undeniably needed. True or False?

    2. The photo accurately portrays a callous world, unwilling or unable to help the child. True or False?

    3. The child in the photo was orphaned. True or False?

    4. The child in the photo is dead. True or False?

    5. The vulture was drawn to the area by the hope of devouring the child. True or False?

    6. The photographer was universally acclaimed for this photo and is happily retired. True or False?