Obamacare War on Seniors - Cutting Medicare Advantage not the only thing. "Demonstration Project" seen as a sham and a cover-up

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    May 01, 2012 12:05 AM GMT
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/obama-s-senior-swindle_642177.html

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    Obama’s Senior Swindle, By Jeffrey H. Anderson

    The most politically brazen feature of Obamacare has always been its looting of Medicare. About half of Obamacare’s costs are to be covered with money taken from an already nearly bankrupt program for seniors. And the most politically perilous aspect of this ploy is Obama-care’s cuts in Medicare Advantage funding, which would cause many seniors to lose their preferred health plans. Under the implementation schedule stipulated in Obamacare, many seniors would either lose their plans, or learn that they are going to lose them, before the election that will likely decide Obamacare’s—and Obama’s—fate.

    Anticipating a senior revolt, the administration took action. It ran millions of dollars’ worth of taxpayer-funded TV ads featuring Andy Griffith saying things like, “That new health care law sure sounds good for all of us on Medicare!” It mailed out full-color, taxpayer-funded propaganda brochures singing the same tune. It repeatedly claimed (and continues to claim) that money taken out of Medicare to fund Obamacare would—magically—also stay in Medicare and be used to extend its solvency.

    But the administration didn’t stop there. Instead, it launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” to postpone the vast majority of Obamacare’s Medicare Advantage cuts until after what Obama likes to call his “last election.” In truth, this isn’t really a demonstration project at all. It’s something closer to the opposite: an attempt to keep Obamacare’s effects from being demonstrated until it’s too late for voters to respond.

    The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has identified this “demonstration project” as a sham. The GAO highlights the project’s myriad “design shortcomings,” including its excessive focus on 2012, its awarding “most” of its “quality bonuses” to average-performing plans, and its lack of a control group. The GAO, not known for its bluntness, concludes that the secretary of health and human services (HHS) “should cancel” the project and perhaps, sometime in the future, consider “conducting an appropriately designed demonstration.” The GAO also notes that the demonstration “does not .  .  . conform to the principles of budget neutrality.” The administration is running up the national debt by another $8.35 billion in order to boost Obama’s reelection prospects.
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    Obama’s calculation appears to be that he can get away with a lot. But that may be wrong. Obamacare would be unpopular enough if it were simply a 2,700-page affront to Americans’ liberty and their country’s fiscal solvency. However, the overhaul’s reputation has been further sullied by the Cornhusker Kickback, the Louisiana Purchase, Gator Aid, and the rest of the shady backroom deals the Democrats struck to secure its passage. By now initiating the Senior Swindle, Obama risks tarnishing Obama-care’s reputation even further.

    Given the president’s mindset—his singular desire to impose Obamacare coupled with his frequent disregard for legal forms—he presumably felt he had no choice. Seniors wouldn’t just sit quietly while their Medicare Advantage plans went away. You can’t siphon $204 billion (the amount projected by the Congressional Budget Office) out of a popular program in just eight years’ time (and far more in the years to follow), spend it on your unpopular health care overhaul, and have no one notice.

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    More gymnastics here:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/white-house-scrambles-keep-obamacare-gutting-medicare-election_640591.html
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    May 01, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
    Do you post these things just to make me laugh uproariously at the idiocy that is the Weekly Standard?

    There are children's magazines with more relevance to the national dialogue then this right-wing stroke mag .
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    May 01, 2012 12:18 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidDo you post these things just to make me laugh uproariously at the idiocy that is the Weekly Standard?

    There are children's magazines with more relevance to the national dialogue then this right-wing stroke mag .

    I challenge you to provide a factual critique of the article.
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    May 01, 2012 12:31 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidDo you post these things just to make me laugh uproariously at the idiocy that is the Weekly Standard?

    There are children's magazines with more relevance to the national dialogue then this right-wing stroke mag .

    I challenge you to provide a factual critique of the article.





    Christian, there's not much point in spending a lot of time on a 'factual critique' of this article because the above article SoCal posted is no more fact based than was the republican far right accusations about "government death panels", "Obama's birth cirtificate is a fake" and Sarah Palins favorite "Obama palls around with terrorists". DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME !!!
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    May 01, 2012 12:41 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidDo you post these things just to make me laugh uproariously at the idiocy that is the Weekly Standard?

    There are children's magazines with more relevance to the national dialogue then this right-wing stroke mag .

    I challenge you to provide a factual critique of the article.


    As soon as you post an article with facts, I'll be happy to critique it.
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    May 01, 2012 12:55 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidDo you post these things just to make me laugh uproariously at the idiocy that is the Weekly Standard?

    There are children's magazines with more relevance to the national dialogue then this right-wing stroke mag .

    I challenge you to provide a factual critique of the article.


    As soon as you post an article with facts, I'll be happy to critique it.

    Think you're fooling anyone? icon_lol.gif
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    May 01, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidDo you post these things just to make me laugh uproariously at the idiocy that is the Weekly Standard?

    There are children's magazines with more relevance to the national dialogue then this right-wing stroke mag .

    I challenge you to provide a factual critique of the article.


    As soon as you post an article with facts, I'll be happy to critique it.

    Think you're fooling anyone? icon_lol.gif


    Not interested in fooling anyone. The Weekly Standard,however, exists solely to lie and prevaricate in hopes of fooling enough people to get Republicans elected.
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    May 01, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
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    realifedad said

    Christian, there's not much point in spending a lot of time on a 'factual critique' of this article because the above article SoCal posted is no more fact based than ....


    It's actually true.

    They feel the need to chime in even when they have nothing else to say. At least the messages are short and they don't clutter up the threads. If the Supreme Court lets the law stand, the ads this fall will be brutal. It will not just be a War on Seniors but a War on the United States of America. hehe
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    May 01, 2012 2:08 AM GMT
    So what are Romney and the Republicans running on?

    His stump speech is full of outright lies.

    His spokespeople lie extensively and brazenly.

    And he has no proposals to help 99.9% of Americans.

    Oh, and his record as governor is abysmal and his "career" involved outsourcing jobs to China and Mexico, while laughing all the way to the bank.

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    May 01, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSo what are Romney and the Republicans running on?

    His stump speech is full of outright lies.

    His spokespeople lie extensively and brazenly.

    And he has no proposals to help 99.9% of Americans.

    Oh, and his record as governor is abysmal and his "career" involved outsourcing jobs to China and Mexico, while laughing all the way to the bank.




    Yep, you're right. Glad you got that vital information out. Thank goodness we have the great President Obama to vote for.

    Interesting though that you felt the need to change the subject...


    Actually, the GOP is trying to change the subject.

    Here's the problem: Medicare Advantage is where the huge unfunded drug program from GWB ended up. It wasn't even remotely sustainable and the GOP continues to block any and all tax increases to pay for it.

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    May 01, 2012 2:38 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidSo what are Romney and the Republicans running on?

    His stump speech is full of outright lies.

    His spokespeople lie extensively and brazenly.

    And he has no proposals to help 99.9% of Americans.

    Oh, and his record as governor is abysmal and his "career" involved outsourcing jobs to China and Mexico, while laughing all the way to the bank.




    Yep, you're right. Glad you got that vital information out. Thank goodness we have the great President Obama to vote for.

    Interesting though that you felt the need to change the subject...


    Actually, the GOP is trying to change the subject.

    Here's the problem: Medicare Advantage is where the huge unfunded drug program from GWB ended up. It wasn't even remotely sustainable and the GOP continues to block any and all tax increases to pay for it.


    Christian motto: Always have the last word even when you have nothing to say. icon_lol.gif
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    May 01, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidSo what are Romney and the Republicans running on?

    His stump speech is full of outright lies.

    His spokespeople lie extensively and brazenly.

    And he has no proposals to help 99.9% of Americans.

    Oh, and his record as governor is abysmal and his "career" involved outsourcing jobs to China and Mexico, while laughing all the way to the bank.




    Yep, you're right. Glad you got that vital information out. Thank goodness we have the great President Obama to vote for.

    Interesting though that you felt the need to change the subject...


    Actually, the GOP is trying to change the subject.

    Here's the problem: Medicare Advantage is where the huge unfunded drug program from GWB ended up. It wasn't even remotely sustainable and the GOP continues to block any and all tax increases to pay for it.


    Christian motto: Always have the last word even when you have nothing to say. icon_lol.gif


    Not really. I"m sorry the facts and history of the GOP and its candidate are so troubling for you.
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    May 01, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
    Getting back to the thread topic, interesting how Obama criticizes the Ryan budget for changes to Medicare for non-Seniors, keeping everything in place for today's Seniors, while he wants to rape Medicare Advantage because it involves the private sector, not socialist enough for him.
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    May 01, 2012 1:02 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidGetting back to the thread topic, interesting how Obama criticizes the Ryan budget for changes to Medicare for non-Seniors, keeping everything in place for today's Seniors, while he wants to rape Medicare Advantage because it involves the private sector, not socialist enough for him.


    THERE YOU GO .......

    This is WHY the Weekly Standard and SoCal et al are UP in ARMS

    The PRIVATE SECTOR ..... The sanctity of the private sector
    Nevermind that THE PRIVATE SECTOR has brought Medical Care in this country to the point that it is NOW
    NEVERMIND that the private sector has jacked up prices beyond he reach of many Americans in this Country
    Nevermind that the private sector has bought and sold much of government many times over
    And NEVERMIND that the republicans are trying their damnedest to keep it that way
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    May 01, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    Seems no one has the capability of refuting the OP. Not surprising. These facts will be hit hard in ads and videos in coming months.
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    May 01, 2012 2:23 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidSeems no one has the capability of refuting the OP. Not surprising. These facts will be hit hard in ads and videos in coming months.


    It seems the OP has no facts, which will not stop Mittens from claiming it as so because his entire campaign is based on lies.
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    May 01, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidSeems no one has the capability of refuting the OP. Not surprising. These facts will be hit hard in ads and videos in coming months.


    It seems the OP has no facts, which will not stop Mittens from claiming it as so because his entire campaign is based on lies.

    Pathetic. You never quit. You can't dispute anything in the OP.

    BTW, I should wish you a Happy May Day. Will you be donning a red shirt and joining your Komrades disrupting things in lower Manhattan today? Ah, the glory days celebrating with the big parade in Red Square. Must bring tears to your eyes. Well not the same, but you read up on the history as well as what some heroes say: Marx, Engels, and Lenin:

    http://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/articles/tracht.html
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    May 01, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    Instead of lies and half truths, the GOP will need to come up substantive solutions to expand access to healthcare to more Americans and lower healthcare costs. Until the GOP comes up with a viable alternative plan, attacks on Obamas Healthcare Reform ring hollow.
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    May 01, 2012 2:45 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidSeems no one has the capability of refuting the OP. Not surprising. These facts will be hit hard in ads and videos in coming months.


    It seems the OP has no facts, which will not stop Mittens from claiming it as so because his entire campaign is based on lies.

    Pathetic. You never quit. You can't dispute anything in the OP.

    BTW, I should wish you a Happy May Day. Will you be donning a red shirt and joining your Komrades disrupting things in lower Manhattan today? Ah, the glory days celebrating with the big parade in Red Square. Must bring tears to your eyes. Well not the same, but you read up on the history as well as what some heroes say: Marx, Engels, and Lenin:

    http://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/articles/tracht.html


    Three lies in a row:

    "Even for a president who has appointed numerous “czars” to circumvent the confirmation process, issued “recess” appointments when the Senate wasn’t in recess, and declared that it would be “unprecedented” for the Supreme Court to strike down a federal law, such a move is eye-opening."

    The majority of this rant uses the GAO's analysis to suggest untoward and "possibly illegal" activities where there are none.

    It's just more faux outrage and it's tedious.

    It's also completely fucking hilarious from a publication that carries water for Paul Ryan's "budget" which would subject seniors to extreme poverty and little access to healthcare.

    And, yes, I am participating in May Day events in NYC. Thanks for asking!