Porn: If not you, then who?

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    Jul 20, 2008 12:22 AM GMT
    I didn't want to derail a different thread because I think that thread should stay on its subject--the OP deserves to hear the opinions of many "wise" RJ'ers.

    Porn: Many of us are porn consumers, yet I found it odd that when someone asked if you would be in a pornographic film, the most common answer was "No." with accompanying advice that it would potentially be a bad career move.

    I'm not necessarily disagreeing with this opinion, but I do find it dichotomous that those of us who consume and enjoy porn are supporting and facilitating what many of us would classify as "bad decisions". If being in porn is generally a bad decision, then are porn consumers then not benefiting from the potential suffering of others? Can you be a porn consumer AND give the advice that it's a bad idea to be in porn?

    So, the question then becomes, "Who should perform in porn?"

    Consider obvious quasi-humourous answers of, "Guys with big dicks," "The really hot guys," and variations thereof already made.
  • Timbales

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    Jul 20, 2008 12:26 AM GMT
    I assume the people in porn understand the potential consequences of their actions.
  • ShawnTX

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    Jul 20, 2008 12:31 AM GMT
    Guys that want to make a career of it, and not those doing just a one-time quick money session that they may come to regret later in life.
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    Jul 20, 2008 12:41 AM GMT
    I believe everyone should do porn. I also believe that doing porn shouldn't disqualify you for future employment opportunities. But in this less than perfect world of ours we can't hump with abandon.

    We live in a world run by the morality of an older generation. As the morality of the internet age replaces it I think we will have different feelings on this topic. With all the opportunities to write something controversial, post a money shot of yourself, be in a three way with a guy in a bear suit on xtube, there wont be a pure soul left with no dirt circulating the net. We will get over it and everyone can have glorious filth in their past.
  • Timbales

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    Jul 20, 2008 12:42 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI believe everyone should do porn.


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    Jul 20, 2008 1:09 AM GMT
    Anyone who is absolutely certain that his future career and earnings will not be dependent on some uptight ass's good opinion of him is free to do porn, or anything else he likes.

    Those of us who work in careers which---for good or bad---require that our bosses, clients, customers, or colleagues would not approve of what they may think of as lapses in decorum, should think twice or three times about it. And then probably not do it.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 20, 2008 1:47 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie made an interesting comment:I believe everyone should do porn.




    I could certainly do porn with great skill.. its whether I would want to do so and whether it would be prudent to do so.......
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    Jul 20, 2008 1:52 AM GMT
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    Jul 20, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
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    Jul 20, 2008 1:57 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI believe everyone should do porn. I also believe that doing porn shouldn't disqualify you for future employment opportunities. But in this less than perfect world of ours we can't hump with abandon.

    We live in a world run by the morality of an older generation. As the morality of the internet age replaces it I think we will have different feelings on this topic. With all the opportunities to write something controversial, post a money shot of yourself, be in a three way with a guy in a bear suit on xtube, there wont be a pure soul left with no dirt circulating the net. We will get over it and everyone can have glorious filth in their past.


    Damn, the future sounds so exciting when you put it that way!!!


    Yes I'd do porn (erm.. may have already done it in one form or another) my future prospects don't involve running to be the leader of any country nor running a big business, its all good!
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    Jul 20, 2008 2:10 AM GMT
    lean_jock74 saidIf being in porn is generally a bad decision, then are porn consumers then not benefiting from the potential suffering of others? Can you be a porn consumer AND give the advice that it's a bad idea to be in porn?

    Yes, I think you can be a porn consumer and give advice against participating in porn without imposing a double standard; the double standard occurs (in my opinion) when someone personally uses porn while also condemning its participants (and possibly its other consumers).

    It reminds me of weird experience I once had on another LGBTQ site. While chatting with a guy I'd met through a site forum dedicated to porn (we were both members), I mentioned that I'd recently had a hook-up that I enjoyed; he immediately began berating me for being "trashy" and risking my life. The irony and his self-righteousness left me close to speechless.

    I use porn myself and do not think less of humans who participate in or who expose themselves through porn (I'd be fine with a community leader who has exhibited her- / himself in porn as long as the leader is up-front and unshamed about it); the people I may take issue with are the producers and other behind-the-scenes persons due to hiring practices.
  • Timbales

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    Jul 20, 2008 2:20 AM GMT
    I don't think that it's hypocritical to tell someone that doing a porn movie might come back to bite them in the ass if you yourself enjoy porn. It would be hypocritical to fire someone if you found out they did a porn movie if you yourself enjoy porn.
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    Jul 20, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    Porn is an honorable living and we should all respect those that do it ..
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    Jul 20, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    Robby08 saidPorn is an honorable living and we should all respect those that do it ..

    Thank you!
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  • GQjock

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    Jul 20, 2008 2:46 AM GMT
    I don't see anything wrong with porn...

    The main beef (sorry) icon_wink.gif
    I have with it is that I don't need the 300 bucks a shot
    to have someone tellin' me what I should or shouldn't be doin' to me or my partner

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    Jul 20, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    Honorable? While I believe the people that do, and stay in, porn actually enjoy it and actually believe it to be an art - as it's not as simple as what we see (for a whole 5 minutes)- let's just sum it up to what it really is. It's 10% full of men that had a fantasy to be admired and used for their body, and 90% men who feel their body and sexual technique is the only thing they have to offer. The fantasy is great to an extent for us, but for them it's just sad and pathetic. There is nothing honorable about recording an act that should be intimate and, for some, spiritual and turning it into an act between men who mostly just met 20 minutes prior and did there best to get off after a load of 420 and a fluffer. It's pathetic and in essence a $50 jerk off or sexual additive.

    Now, I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm not about to jerk off myself to some amateurs on X-Tube in a few moments, but I will say that I absolutely do not get off on people who actually do this for a living and I will never spend a dime on porn. It's disgusting to think how many people the "professionals" must have touched without any care for the other person and all for their sad view of themselves. Of all the niches in society, I feel the sorriest for them. As for me, my only compromise in regards to the initial question is that I just go for viewing couples that like to show off - the 10% that are doing it to be seen, not because they feel it's all they are worth. Otherwise, I use my imagination.
  • dfrourke

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    Jul 20, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    I don't necessarily have any problem with the porn industry...other than sometimes I think we exault guys to some unachievable stature based on what they can do with a cock...that being said:

    - I dated a guy who did porn [although he wasn't very proud of the fact later in life]
    - One of my good friends got into the porn industry after we already new each other

    If someone applied for a job and had the skills to do the job, I wouldn't have any qualms about hiring them...however, I'm not sure I could date [now in my 30's] someone who was actively shooting porn...touches too much on my own baggage/issues...

    ...and respecting these guys...respect is earned in my world...not just given out freely...if I see guys doing things for the community and not just for themselves...they have earned my respect...

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    Jul 20, 2008 3:18 AM GMT
    I heard doing a porn is a pain in the ass.....

    Ok all joking aside. I'm thinking for some its a fantacy to be in a porn. I've known atleast 3 gay men that would be in a porn...(or so they say) if givin the chance.

    Personally, not for me.
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    Jul 20, 2008 3:25 AM GMT
    dfrourke stated my opinion eloquently.

    Few can argue with the fact that they are turned on by a beautiful body, and watching two (or more) beautiful/hot men having sex.

    And the fact that porn stars do this for a living,.... if they know the pitfalls, and are not subsumed by what they are doing...not enticed into drugs and unsafe sex, store away money and/or making sure they have a career to fall back on when, inevitably, they are too "old" to shoot porn, then no one can argue with their decisions.

    It is almost the mindless deification of porn stars I see in the gay community that irritates me. Why the long lines at the Falcon booth at the Pride festival....to get an autograph from a guy whose contribution to the world is to shoot cum on screen?

    If we want to deify handsome, hot gay men, then I'd advise those guys in the Falcon line to pick someone from this bulletin board. Read the profiles...read the guys that are doctors, or scientists, or elder care workers AND who have the discipline to put in the work to give themselves those ideal bodies.

    Take dfrourke himself, who honestly states his HIV status, and will be running in the SF Aids marathon to generate money for the SF Aids Foundation....
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    Jul 20, 2008 4:40 AM GMT
    There are risks and rewards associated with choosing to perform any JOB. If a porn job interests you, be smart about it. Read your contract, show up on time, put in a HARD day's work and go home to your dog, your gym buds, your homework...

    Let me emphasize I did not say "career." The idea of pursuing a porn career is oxymoronic. If there is such a thing, the hottest ones are also the shortest-lived.

    Porn industry revenues may have exploded in the internet era, and job opportunities with it. But while extremely popular on campus, "Fucking" is still not a college major. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jul 20, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    Well I think MunchingZombi has a good point.

    And should we really be sending anyone to Washington who hasn't done porn? Shouldn't we know whether our leaders are the sort who take proper care of their partner's pleasure? After all, we're the next ones that they're going to fuck.

    There may be more honesty in a candidate's cum-face than in their lapel pin.
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    Jul 20, 2008 8:18 AM GMT
    I don't really watch porn that much... yet, I don't think there's anything wrong with being in it.

    Samantha, SATCMoney is power, sex is power. Therefore money for sex is just an exchange of power.


    People need sex, you need money. Producers give you money, you give them sex. It's like a regular job I guess - you've got skills and you get money for them.

    Maybe someday I could be in a porn movie ... if I need the money? But I doubt it.
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    Jul 20, 2008 9:37 AM GMT
    looknrnd saidAs for me, my only compromise in regards to the initial question is that I just go for viewing couples that like to show off - the 10% that are doing it to be seen, not because they feel it's all they are worth. Otherwise, I use my imagination.


    Let's say we have three people that all perform sex on camera for the enjoyment of others.

    Person #1 is unpaid. Ipso facto, according to your logic, this person is "just doing it to be seen" and "not because they feel it's all they are worth." They are OK for you to watch. You are not disgusted. You are not sorry for them. You can beat off to them and enjoy the experience.

    Person #2 is paid. Ipso facto, according to your logic, they are "doing it cause they feel it's all they are worth." You will never watch them. They disgust you. They are "sad and pathetic." They have a "sad view of themselves" and you "feel the sorriest for them" out "of all the niches in society."

    Let's say Person #3 has been paid only once or twice to do porn. Person #3 also has 2 or 3 free videos available on XTube.

    Is Person #3 well adjusted and worthy of your viewing? Or disgusting and worthy of your scorn? Will you just watch the XTube vids, and not the paid vids? If so, why?

    Does it matter how old Person #3 was when they got paid? If so, where is the boundary and why is it there?

    Does it matter if they got paid once, twice, three, four, 10, 20, or 50 times? If so, where is the boundary and why is it there?

    Does it matter what they got paid? A dollar? $25? $1000? $10,000? If so, where is the boundary and why is it there?

    Does it matter why they decided to get paid? Say, cause they wanted to buy their mom a nice birthday present in college and their two minimum wage jobs in the food service industry weren't enuf to make it? If so, what are examples of reasons that would flip them between the "disgusting" and "well adjusted" categories in your mind?

    Does anything besides the simple binary fact of whether Person #3 got paid or not determine their categorization as either disgusting, repulsive and worthy of your scorn versus well-adjusted and worthy of your jerk-off viewing?

    Have you personally met examples of Persons #1, 2 or 3? If so, how do those actual, fully realized, complex, rich, and unique individuals compare to your abstract notions of "well adjusted amateurs" versus "disgusting self-hating professionals?"
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    Jul 20, 2008 10:53 AM GMT
    What IguanaSF said.

    I couldn't have said it better (and I NEVER admit THAT). icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 20, 2008 11:10 AM GMT
    I have some friends in high places who have never apologized for their past actions. In both of the cases I am thinking of there where repercussions, and those repercussions eventually blew over.

    Frankly, I would far rather be Dancerjack than Senator Larry Craig anyday.

    Personally, being on here might inconvenience me one day. So be it. If my clients cannot differentiate between my professional advice and what I do with my cock, well FUCK EM.

    As what's his face (I can never remember his name) from Wham UK put it when confronted in the Hampstead Heath by some asshat, "fuckoff, this is my culture".

    Maybe most people think that they cannot afford to say fuckoff to an employer or a potential client. I have done it. I have suffered as a result. However, I didn't die, I am still here swilling champagne and I am doing it on my terms.

    Living in hypocrisy is a decision.

    As for me, the only reason I wouldn't do porn is because no one would watch.

    Terry