Why is religion even legal? It's the stupidest thing that ever hit humanity.

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    May 03, 2012 6:25 AM GMT
    Just a brief look at religious cultures and this conclusion should be apparent.
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    May 03, 2012 12:36 PM GMT
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    May 03, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    Humans resort to religion for answers when there is no science.
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    May 03, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    I typed out a big paragraph and erased it and said, nope. Haha

    I stand by some religion in some places.
    And don't in others.

    It's a sticky situation.
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    May 03, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
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    May 03, 2012 6:41 PM GMT
    Trollileo saidSome people apparently need religion in their lives in order to maintain a sense of morality.

    +1

    I wish I could show them you can do it without religion.
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    May 03, 2012 8:04 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    paulflexes saidJust a brief look at religious cultures and this conclusion should be apparent.
    Some people apparently need religion in their lives in order to maintain a sense of morality. Thankfully some devout religious followers recognize this.

    I still think that there are those out there who just have faith in their deity which I still respect. As long as I'm still respected for my beliefs (or lack there of) I'm fine.



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    May 03, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
    Jsteve75 saidControl......oh and $$$$Money$$$$$icon_twisted.gif


    Classic analysis per Foucault and others...
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    May 04, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
    Jsteve75 saidControl......oh and $$$$Money$$$$$icon_twisted.gif


    Exactly!! Only thing all churches share in common are pulpits and collection plate$.
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    May 04, 2012 1:24 AM GMT
    I think George Carlin said it best.

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    May 04, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    If Religion became outlawed, it would become the next cool thing, again. People would be "bad" by being good. The girls would look at some pious guy and say, "he's such a bad ass, I want hiiiiim" and then everyone would convert, then that would plunge us into another dark age, where science is outlawed, but since science is outlawed, it becomes the next cool thing, again. So girls would see a geeky science guy and say "he's such a bad ass, I want hiiiiiim" and everyone would then shift into science again and away from religion. So then religion would be outlawed and become the next cool thing...






    Seems legit...
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    May 04, 2012 1:46 AM GMT
    The only country that has ever outlawed religion entirely was Albania during most of its communist years. It was constitutionally an atheist state. All other communist countries (on paper) declared freedom of religion but widely limited its citizens' practices and promoted atheism anyway. Outlawing religion or government-promoted atheism did not go over well in any of those countries.

    Now that many of these countries are no longer communist, religion has only begun to flourish, especially in Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, and Central Asia. People in these countries are eager to embrace a religious label tied to their culture. It's the "cool" thing to be Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist now. Not Jewish, though. Jews have to go to Israel or America to practice, lol.
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    May 04, 2012 2:51 AM GMT
    Most religions predate legal systems. Men created God/s first and then the lawyers. And what's just one more reason to distinguish yourself from your neighbor and have a reason to make war against him....
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    May 04, 2012 12:49 PM GMT
    I'm gonna be the bad-ass on this thread and play devil's advocate...or God's advocateicon_rolleyes.gif

    Say people catch a glimpse of something other than the natural reality that they know. What are they supposed to do with that glimpse?
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    May 04, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    The_Watchers saidSay people catch a glimpse of something other than the natural reality that they know. What are they supposed to do with that glimpse?


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    May 04, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
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    The_Watchers saidSay people catch a glimpse of something other than the natural reality that they know. What are they supposed to do with that glimpse?


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    May 07, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    The_Watchers saidI'm gonna be the bad-ass on this thread and play devil's advocate...or God's advocateicon_rolleyes.gif

    Say people catch a glimpse of something other than the natural reality that they know. What are they supposed to do with that glimpse?


    I'm most definitely not religious, and am not a person that is prone to faith, but I am with this. In the context of the universe, I know sweet **** all, and I am completely unwilling to say that anything is downright impossible, even a god, or many gods. And so someone truly believing in the experience of something beyond humanity and its concerns, and doing so in way that doesn't impose on others? Good on them. I will, however, still fight against religion organised in such a way that it focuses around people and power and money and control, rather than in reverence, wonder, peace, etc.
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    May 07, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    Though all too frequently co-opted by those who would, as expressed by others herein, use it for money, power, control, etc., not just religion itself, but certainly spirituality, seems to me naturally arising, not just culturally, but, in some sense, individually.

    If so, then making it illegal would be like making sexual orientation illegal.

    In the words of the brother of one of my favorite authors Henry James (of Turn of the Screw fame):

    "Our life is always deeper than we know, is always more divine than it seems, and hence we are able to survive degradations and despairs which otherwise must engulf us."~~William James 1842-1910.

    The effect of some of life's events (betrayals, deaths, injuries, financial hardships, illness, disabilities, et. al.) force upon us certain reflections, some of which can be so far reaching as to make them seem beyond our grasp, whether we have to go outside for help or even to reach within ourselves so deeply that we contact realms not usually accessed by our conscious minds. So whether the help comes from without us or from within us, we feel it extraordinarily and there might be a natural inclination to assign that experience, whether it is or not, as divine.

    As well, experientially without any outside influence of those life's events, in our sleeping mind, especially for those like me who often dream consciously, we are forced to question the nature of even our daily waking life because we have no choice but to confront and question our own perceptions. Experimentally, some of these ideas which have been explored and discussed by mystics for millenia are now showing up in accepted science such as quantum mechanics, which I do not pretend to understand but from what little I know, it certainly seems to touch on many of the same things. We were singing about good vibrations long before string theory became popularized.



    As social beings, we not just naturally, simply discuss our thoughts on the subject but many people find themselves with a need for fellowship. We wouldn't be online discussing this if that were not true. And so now all you have to do is to combine these senses of divinity with whatever satisfaction comes from sharing them in fellowship, sprinkle with some ritual and presto-chango you have religion.

    Because of the co-opting, you may want to understand the rules so as to be cautious of it, but it's not really something to write laws against.
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    May 09, 2012 10:35 AM GMT
    I do not think that religion is a "stupid" thing. Although I do not belong to any religion, I do believe in God as experienced by Judaism. People, especially gay people enter into conflict with their religious institutions because most of them reject homosexuality. This rejection often leads to anger or hopeless frustration among gay people, who then turn their backs on God and religion.

    Religious institutions are man-made organisations, and are therefore capable of making mistakes. This is one of the reasons I turn down membership of any religious organisation. But I just cannot reject the existence of God. How can so much order and beauty in this universe be the result of some haphazzard big bang. How can order come out of chaos without some higher being to oversee it?

    This said, I do admire an atheist more than the religious type who doesn't ever question what he is told to believe by his religious leaders. I admire a morally upright atheist more than a religious fanatic who blows himself and innocent bystanders to smithereens in the name of God.

    In my opinion, I think we have to distinguish between God, who we are incapable of knowing completely, and the human institutions (religions) who approach Him from different angles. I cannot deny the exitence of the former, but I am wise to question any human institution (religion) which claims to have the monopoly of the truth.
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    May 10, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
    Religions are originally spiritual teachings....but they were changed by cruel rulers to use it for their own purpose....

    Whatever happens in your reality is actually a projection of your thought or feeling. In that sense we are the creators...What ancients worship as Gods from heaven are in fact Extra terrestrials ;) the one true and only god is the Source energy
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    May 10, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    Oh damn, this thread is still going. I sorta passed out after typing it and forgot all about it till now.

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    May 11, 2012 12:09 AM GMT
    Qruiser saidIn that sense we are the creators...What ancients worship as Gods from heaven are in fact Extra terrestrials ;) the one true and only god is the Source energy


    One time when I was little, I put my finger in God's butthole and got a shock. God is in the walls and he doesn't like buttsecks.
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    May 14, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    Martin_Maros saidI do not think that religion is a "stupid" thing. Although I do not belong to any religion, I do believe in God as experienced by Judaism. People, especially gay people enter into conflict with their religious institutions because most of them reject homosexuality. This rejection often leads to anger or hopeless frustration among gay people, who then turn their backs on God and religion.

    Religious institutions are man-made organisations, and are therefore capable of making mistakes. This is one of the reasons I turn down membership of any religious organisation. But I just cannot reject the existence of God. How can so much order and beauty in this universe be the result of some haphazzard big bang. How can order come out of chaos without some higher being to oversee it?

    This said, I do admire an atheist more than the religious type who doesn't ever question what he is told to believe by his religious leaders. I admire a morally upright atheist more than a religious fanatic who blows himself and innocent bystanders to smithereens in the name of God.

    In my opinion, I think we have to distinguish between God, who we are incapable of knowing completely, and the human institutions (religions) who approach Him from different angles. I cannot deny the exitence of the former, but I am wise to question any human institution (religion) which claims to have the monopoly of the truth.


    Why should the existence of order and beauty imply the existence of a deity and why shouldn't a scientific theory be credible enough as an explanation? If the consequence of the existence of a deity is drawn by an analogy with order and beauty being sufficient products of a creator, then what of the claim that the magnitude of order and beauty is proportional to the number of creators involved (e.g. the work of 100 artists produces more order and beauty than the work of 1 artist)? If this relationship of proportion holds, then the universe - of which the most order and beauty would exist - is the product of multiple creators, thereby falsifying your monotheistic & Judaic faith.
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    May 14, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    Hawesian said, "Why should the existence of order and beauty imply the existence of a deity and why shouldn't a scientific theory be credible enough as an explanation?"

    For some christians, like myself, it's scientific theory and fact that shows us the complexity of what we think of as god, and only exemplifies how magnificent that great mystery is. I often think of sub-atomics; that god's fabric is in there, and how could I entertain that concept without science? The two go hand in hand I think. One is born of feeling, the other substance. 1+1 = 3.
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