After alot of thinking i have decided that i wasn't going to vote for Obama for president this year. True it would be a great mark in history, but the society we live in today is not ready for him. With this in mind it is my decision to remain neutral and not vote for anyone! Yes, i know it may seem kind of "ignorant" but it is what i feel most comfortable with doing at this waking moment.
If Obama wins the election (prolly not) how do you figure american society react?
I think if he can win, then society or a majority of it is ready for him. You can't pass on such an important opportunity because of what other people think, or what they might do.
If people did not do the right thing in history because they thought other people would hate them, some of the greatest moments and advances in our history would not be made. I don't think any of those people would say, I will not do the right thing because people would hate me, even if they knew their ending. This is because when you see the greater good that is greater than yourself, you are willing to advance that good at great costs to yourself. It is the nature of self sacrifice that you see in acts of heroism.
Let the dreamers dream, and the haters hate. The dreamers will move us in a better direction than the haters.
People are never ready for change, it has to be given to them quickly and bluntly. Change is impacted on us, not decided upon easily. If America isn't ready for Obama, they will have to learn quickly. They didn't think they were ready for bussing, for marches, for laws, for rights beyond what their forefathers provided them. The process of man: comfort, forced change, accomodation, historical reference, progress, repeat. In the end, I'd rather we're not ready. If we are ready, why would need him in the first place. I want a leader that wants to make an impact, not one that doesn't take risk and sits idly by in ignorance of the mass array of progress needed in our society.
Secondly...you can never let ignorance stop you from dreaming. Yes, we still have a lot of idiots living in our society, but you know what...when WILL society "be ready" for him?
No, Obama won't end up like Kennedy. I can't wait to vote for him.
N_E_W_B_I_E saidAfter alot of thinking i have decided that i wasn't going to vote for Ohbama for president this year. True it would be a great mark in history, but the society we live in today is not ready for him.
if Ohbama wins the election (prolly not) how do you figure american society react?
Trying to merge the post with the thread title, and translating to make sure I understand what you're asking: are you saying you're not going to vote for Obama cause you think if he's elected he will be assassinated?
If that's not the case, just ignore all the following, and perhaps restate your post?
But if I DID translate correctly, can you explain why you might be a better judge of that possibility than he, his wife, and the army of Secret Service people advising him? Studies of Secret Service processes/techniques/skills in 2009 versus 1963 that show similar risks today? New psychographic data the campaign isn't privy to?
What do you think Senator Obama would say to you if you told him you're not voting for him cause you don't want him shot? "Thanks for caring?"
Are you just not going to vote, or write in some no-name candidate? Then that action will have very little effect on his being elected or not. Or are you going to vote for McCain, so that you actually act to prevent him from taking office?
I don't understand how your assessment of his probability of winning ("prolly not") jives with your intention of not voting for him. If you think he's not going to win, then why do you think you need to withhold your vote to save his life?
If your vote really was the deciding factor in the election, would you still trade 4 more years of Republican rule, an even more conservative Supreme court, and a President who is still "learning to go online" because you're afraid Obama might be shot?
As someone who was just coming of age in politics when my candidate was shot (RFK), I'm obviously having a problem trying to find the logic in your decision.
I don't think it's so much a matter of society being ready for a black President, as it is this particular black candidate having the necessary experience now to be President during these very troubled times. I think a black candidate is definitely electable, IF it's the right candidate, and America is ready for it and would embrace it. I'm not convinced Obama is the right one...that's not to say he wouldn't be down the line (2012 or 2016). Do we even know if he's been all that great of a Senator yet? He's been busy running for President most of his term.
N_E_W_B_I_E saidAfter alot of thinking i have decided that i wasn't going to vote for Ohbama for president this year. True it would be a great mark in history, but the society we live in today is not ready for him.
How can you NOT vote for him? Are you ready for 5 - 6 - 7 dollar gasoline? Because the continued kowtowing toward the oil companies the republicans have been doing will lead us that way Are you ready for a war with Iran? Because Grampy will Definitely get us into conflict with them Are you ready for more of the same with the Mortgage and banking industry? Because the republicans with their deregulation policies are what got us into this mess in the first place
You Cannot be a living breathing person on this earth and make the statement that you made "after alot of thinking i have decided that i wasn't going to vote for Ohbama" ... and me thinks the way you spelled his name tells me the reason why
First of all, radical change only comes in this country during a perceived crisis. The Depression brought about the New Deal (and a FOUR-term president, the one and only).
The Iranian hostage crisis brought about Reagan. One thing the righties never acknowledge is that Reagan was LOSING to Carter--yes, even to Carter--until the Iranian crisis had dragged on for over a year. The real turning point in that election was the failed rescue mission, where the helicopters crashed into the dust.
And even after the election, polling showed that the country wasn't voting FOR Reagan, they were voting against Carter.
This is why we will have a black president this year. Frankly, in this climate, if the Democrats had run a Martian, we'd have a Martian president. A lot of people (me included) are voting for Obama simply because we detest the Bush Crime Syndicate, and the Republican Party in general. Obama's true colors are showing, and they are annoyingly conservative.
And for all you who say "oh, he has to tack to the right for now to pick up the moderates", my answer is: look at what he's actually done and said in the Senate, and in the primaries. The man is conservative. He has every right to he, I suppose, but I don't have to like it or him.
N_E_W_B_I_E saidAfter alot of thinking i have decided that i wasn't going to vote for Ohbama for president this year. True it would be a great mark in history, but the society we live in today is not ready for him.
if Ohbama wins the election (prolly not) how do you figure american society react?
This reminds me of something a friend of mine said a couple of weeks ago....
"I like Obama, but I am not going to vote for him...because I don't think he is going to win. There are so many racists out there that won't vote for him, no way they are going to pull the lever for him"
I'm in the same boat as iguanaSF... I still don't understand what you mean by "Will Obama end up like Kennedy]?" I sure hope you don't mean that he will be assassinated in public.
If, however, you mean that he'll be perceived to be too much of an idealist in the face of a meaningless war to the end that his own military advisors may start to wonder who the hell's side he's on anyway, I think that's likely. But is that going to stop me from voting for him? Absolutely not... 'cuz frankly, I'm of the opinion that this country could use a little idealism now.
You know... the whole election thing has gotten me thinking about that old curse, reportedly of Chinese origin, that says "May you live in interesting times."
I checked ma crystal ball's today and they predicted BO will be president! also they predicted spelling his name wrong he does not give a feck for your vote?
How can you NOT vote for him? Are you ready for 5 - 6 - 7 dollar gasoline? Because the continued kowtowing toward the oil companies the republicans have been doing will lead us that way Are you ready for a war with Iran? Because Grampy will Definitely get us into conflict with them Are you ready for more of the same with the Mortgage and banking industry? Because the republicans with their deregulation policies are what got us into this mess in the first place
You Cannot be a living breathing person on this earth and make the statement that you made "after alot of thinking i have decided that i wasn't going to vote for Ohbama" ... and me thinks the way you spelled his name tells me the reason why
There are all kinds of reason how someone can not vote for Obama, and not the least of which is that he's not proven himself yet. This may not matter to you, but I can guarantee you that it does, and will, matter to millions of Americans who simply will not allow themselves to be lead down the garden path by some eloquent speeches, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. Obama is going to have no magic wand as you may want us to believe to ward off higher gas prices, a potential conflict with Iran, and all sorts of other ills this country may face in the coming years, in fact, his policies may even make them worse. So, don't kid yourself, you absolutely can be a "living breathing person on this earth" and not vote for Obama, and you can add me to that list.
And even after the election, polling showed that the country wasn't voting FOR Reagan, they were voting against Carter.
But then in 1984, after 4 years of Reagan as President, the American public handed Reagan one of the biggest landslide victories - ever. So, your point is...?
jprichva saidThis is why we will have a black president this year. Frankly, in this climate, if the Democrats had run a Martian, we'd have a Martian president.
Perhaps you shouldn't reserve your seat just yet at the Obama inauguration. If what you say is true, why then is he not killing McCain in the polls? Not that the polls mean all that much, but Kerry was trouncing Bush in the polls too right up to election day.
CuriousJockAZ saidPerhaps you shouldn't reserve your seat just yet at the Obama inauguration. If what you say is true, why then is he not killing McCain in the polls? Not that the polls mean all that much, but Kerry was trouncing Bush in the polls too right up to election day.
At state-level polls Obama is killing McCain. An average of recent polls in each state show Obama winning with 300 votes in the EC. Polls have him winning in states like OH, PA, IA, CO, NM. And unbelievable states like VA, MT. Heck polls put him very close in NC and occasionally GA. Also, the national polls are in the same place this time of year as they were during Kerry/Bush.
I may not be a dancer, but I sure know my way around a poll. ^_~
Regardless, we have a l-o-n-g way to go until election day, and a zillion things could happen that could potentially turn the whole election upside down or inside out, so no one should be blowing any victory horns just yet. It's going to be very interesting to watch to say the least, and probably pretty nerve-wracking.
And even after the election, polling showed that the country wasn't voting FOR Reagan, they were voting against Carter.
But then in 1984, after 4 years of Reagan as President, the American public handed Reagan one of the biggest landslide victories - ever. So, your point is...?
Actually, I wasn't slamming Reagan with that remark, much as I loathed him.
My point is that Reagan, whether you loved him or not, represented a very radical change in the direction of the country, and even after his election that change was not evident to the very people who voted for him. In fact, no matter what they thought of him in 1984, all they thought of him (in general) in 1980 was that he wasn't Carter.
That's why Marvin the Martian could get elected this year. Maybe voting for NotBush in 2004 wasn't enough, but voting NotRepublican this year will be.
And as I said before, this from a guy who doesn't particularly like Obama, and in fact likes him less and less the more he sees of him.
That's why Marvin the Martian could get elected this year. Maybe voting for NotBush in 2004 wasn't enough, but voting NotRepublican this year will be.
It should be interesting to see how accurate that CRYSTAL BALL of yours is come November
jprichva saidAnd as I said before, this from a guy who doesn't particularly like Obama, and in fact likes him less and less the more he sees of him.
Exactly my point, and America is going to be seeing and learning a lot more about him in the months to come. Don't be so sure if that the honeymoon won't end before the election as his true colors start to show even more.
CuriousJockAZ said Exactly my point, and America is going to be seeing and learning a lot more about him in the months to come. Don't be so sure if that the honeymoon won't end before the election as his true colors start to show even more.
You know, Curious, we dislike Obama for very different reasons, but neither of that is the point.
When Allstate Insurance runs commercials that begin "If this isn't a recession, it sure feels like one". you are making a huge mistake if you think this election is going to turn on whether Obama or McCain has a better plan for Iraq.
When the economy is this bad---and for a lot of people, it is, and getting worse--they will change the party of whomever is currently in the White House.
And as for liking Obama less and less---well, nothing could make me like McCain less. I already dislike him the maximum permissible amount. Which is another point--even if people get disillusioned with Obama, that doesn't mean they're going to turn to McCain.
jprichva said When the economy is this bad---and for a lot of people, it is, and getting worse--they will change the party of whomever is currently in the White House.
And as for liking Obama less and less---well, nothing could make me like McCain less. I already dislike him the maximum permissible amount. Which is another point--even if people get disillusioned with Obama, that doesn't mean they're going to turn to McCain.
The economy is not in a recession. We may be heading towards one, though I doubt it, we're just going through a tough time. Yes, some people are suffering, but when the new "Batman" movie breaks all box-office records as it did this weekend, it ain't that bad.
And referring to those who may not like Obama, but won't turn to McCain, that knife can cut both ways. Just because someone may not be swooning over McCain doesn't necessarily mean their running to the Obama side either. This is going to be a tough election, and a great deal is on the line, so you're kidding yourself if you think that America is going to easily gamble on a neophyte Senator to become the leader of the free world. The debates will likely crystalize many things in the minds of many and I have a hunch that it could go either way and that this election is still very much up for grabs.
This is the dumbest and most irresponsible thread I have ever read. This is not only a public figure but a human being that you are speaking about. For the love of Christ get a grip and don't put crap like this out into the world.
To the original poster, you obviously mean Obama no respect, as you misspelled his name three times writting this topic. I'm sure you could care less about "Ohbama end up like Kennedy".
I couldn't not vote Bush into office because I was underage but I sure as HECK won't sit idly by this election and let a Bush-clone take office.
I would have voted for Hilary if Obama hadn't made the nomination.
ursamajor saidThis is the dumbest and most irresponsible thread I have ever read. This is not only a public figure but a human being that you are speaking about. For the love of Christ get a grip and don't put crap like this out into the world.
In absolute disgust, Terry
Huh? Who crapped in your Wheaties this mornin'?
Care to be more specific about just why, in your opinion, this "public figure" and "human being" shouldn't be subjected to intense scrutiny?
JockMyka said The economy is not in a recession. We may be heading towards one, though I doubt it, we're just going through a tough time. Yes, some people are suffering, but when the new "Batman" movie breaks all box-office records as it did this weekend, it ain't that bad.
1. No, technically we're not, and I didn't say we were. But perception is more important than the figures on an economist's scratch pad, and when a conservative insurance company says things like that in a television ad, you know that THEY think their customers believe themselves to be in one. So it may as well be true.
2. As far as "Batman" goes, I suggest you look at the correlative figures of movie attendance v. the economy. Believe it or not, movie attendance goes UP in bad times, because people need escapism more than ever, and particularly to Batman-ish fantasies.
3. As far as you "doubting" it, I suggest you vary your diet from Faux News. Bush said just last week that the economy is "growing". Well, yes, the past 12 months have shown a growth rate of...er..less than 1%. If this is what makes you "doubt it", you really need some other sources of news. The average yearly growth under Clinton was over 5%, some years higher.
4. If you think the economic indicators are improving, you really need to read more. The FDIC this week admitted that there were 90 banks on the brink of going under like IndyMac, and some 300 more on the concern list. This would be the most banks failing at one time since the 1930s, even including the S&L disaster.
Really, ideology is nice, and so is your tribal identification with the right, but it really doesn't take the place of cold fact.
This will be my one and only post to this forum but I will simply state MY views on the subject. Although I am a registered democrat I can not vote for Obama for the simple fact that our political system is a very complicated organization and someone who is to be president needs to have the experience and balls to know how, when, where and who to get things done and not end up as a doormat. Eloquent speeches are like magical illusions, please look through the smoke and read the facts and use some brain power when making your decision. My vote was firmly with Hilary but alas she is painfully not an option any longer.
As far as the comment on this forum shouldn't have been started.... this is America and this is the democracy that allows us to each have our own option, to be heard, to debate and to respectfully disagree.
My only advise to anyone is first VOTE, it is our right and duty and second make sure its an educated decision regardless of who your candidate of choice.
There are all kinds of reason how someone can not vote for Obama, and not the least of which is that he's not proven himself yet. This may not matter to you, but I can guarantee you that it does, and will, matter to millions of Americans who simply will not allow themselves to be lead down the garden path by some eloquent speeches, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. Obama is going to have no magic wand as you may want us to believe to ward off higher gas prices, a potential conflict with Iran, and all sorts of other ills this country may face in the coming years, in fact, his policies may even make them worse. So, don't kid yourself, you absolutely can be a "living breathing person on this earth" and not vote for Obama, and you can add me to that list.
He has proven himself in EVERYTHING that he has done His history speaks for itself
And so does the history of John McSame a man who described himself as a maverick and is now a carbon copy of the idiot we now have in the White House
A man who cosponsored a Bill with Ted Kennedy and now says that he wouldn't even vote a the Bill he CO-AUTHORED!!!
A man who stated on the record that he was against offshore drilling.... and now that the oil companies want him to he says it's good for the country NOT BECAUSE we will get cheaper oil.... but because it will help us mentally????
A man who has been a shining light against the use of torture mainly because what we do to them.. They will do to us... Now he says it's alright to torture
YES... Both men's history speaks LOUDLY and I still submit to you
YOU cannot be a living breathing thinking human being on this earth and vote for John McSame
to answer the origonal posters question... i think that some of america is ready for obama while some of america is not, the SAME way some of america is ready for mccain as some of america is not.
to not vote for him because of what others might do is ridiculous. dont let others make up ur mind. make up ur mind for urself.
and how will american society react? again some will be happy and some will be upset but all in all each side will deal. simple as that.
u cant make decisions based on what might happen to him as what might happen may never come to fruition.
He has proven himself in EVERYTHING that he has done His history speaks for itself
He hasn't proven jack to me other than that he can give an eloquent speech, and that he will say anything and do anything (eloquently, of course) to get elected. His "History" has barely even been written yet.
And so does the history of John McSame a man who described himself as a maverick and is now a carbon copy of the idiot we now have in the White House
Spoken like a true democrat, accept that it's not really fact at all. I'm not here to swoon about John McCain. He is by no means the perfect candidate. But what McCain does have in terms of experience in his pinky finger, Obama couldn't muster up in his entire body. Sorry, but this is not a time in our history to be handing the presidency over to someone who needs on the job training.
A man who cosponsored a Bill with Ted Kennedy and now says that he wouldn't even vote a the Bill he CO-AUTHORED!!!
Illegal Immigration is a complex issue, and one that the American people are intensely passionate about, and those passions run deep. However, McCain heard what the people wanted, and what he heard when it came to that bill is that this was not a bill that the people wanted. He heard them, and he changed his stance. This is what politicians are elected to do - listen to the people.
A man who stated on the record that he was against offshore drilling.... and now that the oil companies want him to he says it's good for the country NOT BECAUSE we will get cheaper oil.... but because it will help us mentally????
I think it's a no-brainer that tapping into the oil reserves we have right here, combined with developing alternative energy sources, makes sense for all concerned. But what do I know. What I will say is that in light of the looming fuel crisis that is now gripping our nation, anyone who doesn't want to drill here so we don't have to be held hostage to oil imports is an idiot. I'm mad as hell we didn't get this drilling started 10 years ago.
A man who has been a shining light against the use of torture mainly because what we do to them.. They will do to us... Now he says it's alright to torture
More misinformation coming from the left. Totally untrue.
YES... Both men's history speaks LOUDLY and I still submit to you
YOU cannot be a living breathing thinking human being on this earth and vote for John McSame
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't happen to agree with it, and neither do millions of living, breathing, thinking Americans.
Tortue: Senator McCain rightly insists that the U.S. may not (i) torture; (ii) engage in cruel treatment prohibited by Common Article 3; or (iii) engage in conduct that shocks the conscience, under the McCain Amendment. He also insists that waterboarding violates each of these legal restrictions, that the Bush Administration's legal analysis has been dishonest and flatly wrong, and that we need "a good faith interpretation of the statutes that guide what is permissible in the CIA program."
The Feinstein Amendment would have accomplished all of these objectives, but Senator McCain voted against it, presumably because he wishes that the CIA be permitted to continue the use of other of its enhanced techniques, apart from waterboarding. Those techniques are reported to include stress positions, hypothermia, threats to the detainee and his family, severe sleep deprivation, and severe sensory deprivation. Senator McCain has not explained which of these he thinks are not torture and cruel treatment, nor which he would wish to preserve for use by the CIA. But if the President does as he has promised and follows Senator McCain's lead by vetoing this bill, the CIA will continue to assert the right to use all of these techniques -- and possibly waterboarding, as well.
GQjock saidTortue: Senator McCain rightly insists that the U.S. may not (i) torture; (ii) engage in cruel treatment prohibited by Common Article 3; or (iii) engage in conduct that shocks the conscience, under the McCain Amendment. He also insists that waterboarding violates each of these legal restrictions, that the Bush Administration's legal analysis has been dishonest and flatly wrong, and that we need "a good faith interpretation of the statutes that guide what is permissible in the CIA program."
The Feinstein Amendment would have accomplished all of these objectives, but Senator McCain voted against it, presumably because he wishes that the CIA be permitted to continue the use of other of its enhanced techniques, apart from waterboarding. Those techniques are reported to include stress positions, hypothermia, threats to the detainee and his family, severe sleep deprivation, and severe sensory deprivation. Senator McCain has not explained which of these he thinks are not torture and cruel treatment, nor which he would wish to preserve for use by the CIA. But if the President does as he has promised and follows Senator McCain's lead by vetoing this bill, the CIA will continue to assert the right to use all of these techniques -- and possibly waterboarding, as well.
Not sure where this is in any way saying that McCain is okay with "torture". He is saying that certain interrogation techniques may be permitted. What would you propose we do with these enemy combatants in order to get information --- feed them Ben & Jerry's while giving them a pedicure & foot massage? What do you think Obama would find tolerable non-torture --- forcing them to sit through a Reverend Wright sermon?
CuriousJockAZ said What would you propose we do with these enemy combatants in order to get information --- feed them Ben & Jerry's while giving them a pedicure & foot massage? What do you think Obama would find tolerable non-torture --- forcing them to sit through a Reverend Wright sermon?
See, this is why discussions with right-wingers always degenerate.
Has anyone seriously proposed feeding anyone ice cream? or is this simply Rush Limbaugh-style "humor", which no one to the left of him has ever found funny?
Because if it's serious, and on some level I think it is, it's the typical false dichotomy that renders any serious discussion meaningless. Which is why these things degenerate. Rightists know they have neither fact nor logic on their side, so they have to create these false dichotomies, otherwise they'd have no defense at all. And since most of the appeal of right-wingery is visceral to begin with, there usually is no fact or logic that can justify it.
And as for the "humor", before you start with the standard right-wing meme about how lefties have no sense of humor, I'd like to point out that the essential ingredient in humor is that something actually be funny.
Something Rush has yet to learn, and his followers too for that matter.
The last time i checked i was asking for other opinions not smart comments and or grammatical error corrections. Had i of inquired that i would have consulted an english major. What you all should also factor into my post would be time. It was fairly late when i posted this the other night.
SECONDLY
Along with everyone else living in America i too am entitled to my OWN opinion. So please don't try and enforce your beliefs upon me by shunning mine. I respect the few that were actually pleasant while at the same time educated. As for the rest of you... i expect for the ignorance to lower and maturity to rise.
LASTLY
This question i posted was only brought up because my parents offered to sign myself up to vote. I had then realized that there hasn't been much thought about presidency on my part, but still felt it was important to atleast vote. After reading a couple comments in response to the question regarding Obama i have decided to change me decision. Instead of not caring and or taking a stand by choosing not to vote, i have decided to remain anonymous just as most votes should be.
Thanks to those of you that actually helped my newly found decision. I really appreciate it.
Not sure where this is in any way saying that McCain is okay with "torture". He is saying that certain interrogation techniques may be permitted. What would you propose we do with these enemy combatants in order to get information --- feed them Ben & Jerry's while giving them a pedicure & foot massage? What do you think Obama would find tolerable non-torture --- forcing them to sit through a Reverend Wright sermon?
These are NOT Certain interrogation techniques.... These are ways of accomplishing TORTURE by means of the Geneva conventions
ARTICLES that WE AMERICA helped draw up I might add
why do you think the criminal in the White House is so hell bent on saying that we don't HAVE to abide by them? ... Because he knows he's on the hook for war crimes ... that's why
FIRSTLY, you ought to read your original post. It is not a solicitation. Rather it is a provocative statement. The only question you ask is "how do you figure american society react?" - the answers you received are entirely appropriate to the original post.
SECONDLY, no one is entitled to anything, least of all their own opinion. Lots of people, real flesh and blood people, have died defending their opinions and trying to obtain the right for others to express theirs. Those efforts (usually cyclical) are being trampled left and right and people are dying for their efforts even today. Actually, the entitlement you take for granted is expensive and I suppose, since you are younger than I am, that you will have unhappy chances to learn just that in the future that lies around the corner.
LASTLY, that is all so ambiguous that it is impossible to understand if you have registered to vote or not. If you have kudos, if you haven't shame on you. If the grand plan is to vote and keep your vote to yourself, that sounds like a very smart plan.
Terry
N_E_W_B_I_E saidFIRSTLY
The last time i checked i was asking for other opinions not smart comments and or grammatical error corrections. Had i of inquired that i would have consulted an english major. What you all should also factor into my post would be time. It was fairly late when i posted this the other night.
SECONDLY
Along with everyone else living in America i too am entitled to my OWN opinion. So please don't try and enforce your beliefs upon me by shunning mine. I respect the few that were actually pleasant while at the same time educated. As for the rest of you... i expect for the ignorance to lower and maturity to rise.
LASTLY
This question i posted was only brought up because my parents offered to sign myself up to vote. I had then realized that there hasn't been much thought about presidency on my part, but still felt it was important to atleast vote. After reading a couple comments in response to the question regarding Obama i have decided to change me decision. Instead of not caring and or taking a stand by choosing not to vote, i have decided to remain anonymous just as most votes should be.
Thanks to those of you that actually helped my newly found decision. I really appreciate it.
I'm not voting for Obama. I'll write in for Hillary.
Especially after reading the Ryan Lizza piece in last week's New Yorker, it's evident that he's a political opportunist with no courage. (Read it, if you haven't.)
'I believe in public financing.' Oh wait, you mean 55% of my campaign contributions were bundled and 45% came from the public? I'll take private money instead and be the first candidate SINCE WATERGATE to opt out of public financing.
Not voting for him. New York goes blue reliably but even if it was close, principle matters.
CuriousJockAZ said What would you propose we do with these enemy combatants in order to get information --- feed them Ben & Jerry's while giving them a pedicure & foot massage? What do you think Obama would find tolerable non-torture --- forcing them to sit through a Reverend Wright sermon?
See, this is why discussions with right-wingers always degenerate.
Has anyone seriously proposed feeding anyone ice cream? or is this simply Rush Limbaugh-style "humor", which no one to the left of him has ever found funny?
Because if it's serious, and on some level I think it is, it's the typical false dichotomy that renders any serious discussion meaningless. Which is why these things degenerate. Rightists know they have neither fact nor logic on their side, so they have to create these false dichotomies, otherwise they'd have no defense at all. And since most of the appeal of right-wingery is visceral to begin with, there usually is no fact or logic that can justify it.
And as for the "humor", before you start with the standard right-wing meme about how lefties have no sense of humor, I'd like to point out that the essential ingredient in humor is that something actually be funny.
Something Rush has yet to learn, and his followers too for that matter.
Was merely using my feeble attempt at humor to make the point that people on the left generally take the side of the enemy -- God forbid THEY would suffer at all -- rather than the U.S.A. My analogy wasn't any more absurd or off-the-mark than someone calling our President a "War Criminal" which also has absolutely no basis in "fact" or "logic". The only "defense" we on the right need is the TRUTH, the real truth, not some bitter leftists skewed version of it.
Oh, and regarding Rush Limbaugh...I'm not surprised you don't think he's funny but didn't he just sign a new contract worth something like $400 million? Guess he's laughing all the way to the bank.
cosmicjewboy saidI think Obama will end up like Kennedy. A legendary leader who engendered a new spirit of hope and possibility when the world needed it most.
cosmicjewboy saidI think Obama will end up like Kennedy. A legendary leader who engendered a new spirit of hope and possibility when the world needed it most.
Exceot the part where Kennedy got us involved in foreign policy blunders (Bay of Pigs, anyone?) and, escalated the Vietnam war.
Kennedy is remembered for the more social side of his administration-- not for being a particularly good policymaker.
We don't need gloss and glamour and hope and inspiration and rainbows, we need a president that can get shit done.
Our economy is failing, there are wars in two countries and millions of Americans ar slipping through the cracks.
Dare I say it, we need a president who would be Ready on Day One.
Dare I say it, we need a president who would be Ready on Day One.
Dude, Hillary lost. Fair and square. She ran a terrible campaign and is now selling t-shirts to recover her massive debt. Yeah, she would have been ready on day one.
That's hardly a good enough reason not to vote...even if you vote for McCain there are other things at stake here other than voting for president. VOTE DUDE!
If Obama wins cool,McCain wins cool anything is better than what we have now!
Dare I say it, we need a president who would be Ready on Day One.
Dude, Hillary lost. Fair and square. She ran a terrible campaign and is now selling t-shirts to recover her massive debt. Yeah, she would have been ready on day one.
I get that she lost and yes, her campaign was not as good as she was.
The use of her campaign slogan is a demonstration of wit, not sour grapes. Even if it were, that alone does not negate very valid criticisms of Obama-- and, by extension, Kennedy-- who is big on talk and not on action.
Ducky44 saidThat's hardly a good enough reason not to vote...even if you vote for McCain there are other things at stake here other than voting for president. VOTE DUDE!
If Obama wins cool,McCain wins cool anything is better than what we have now!
"Better" isn't enough. We need MUCH MUCH BETTER. McCain isn't much better, as his voting record and party alliances indicate.
I think that in spite of the amount of prejudice left in the US, that we are even so, ready for voting in a black man such as OBAMA. This man is inteligent, well spoken, he appeals to listeners, he is articulate, he expresses his opinion in a way showing he is willing to adjust it to experienced professionals that he has surrounded himself with. He is not perfect, he doesn't go for everything I would have him too, such as his voting for FISA, but none of us are going to get everything we want. In My judgement he is far superior to bush in every way, bush is an embarassment to our nation, and its quite apparent that McSame is intent on following bush's lead. Look at how well Obama was accepted in the middle East, and in Europe, you'ed have to be blind not to see that the whole world is hoping for a change of course from the likes of bush. Obama has already influenced the dialoque on bringing home the combat troops (much to bush/cheney/McSame's disgust) from Iraq, and imboldened the Iraqies to make a stronger effort to bring about at deadline of sometime in 2010, and did speak favorably about Obama's general plan of a 16 month period. I'm ashamed of what our America has become under bush/cheney, with Obama, our foreign relations will immediately improve, he knows how to act and to speak in public, so we will not have to endure the idiotic gaffs of bush or his follower McSame. Obama's efforts/ideas of talking it out with world leaders (though scoffed at by bush/McSame) we have dissagreements with, has already improved our diplomacy, as witnessed by bush backing down from refusal to talk to Iran, to this week sending a US rep to Geneva to be present at talks with Iran over the Nuclear standoff, and I just read that it appears there will be a breakthrough from Iran, who referred to the US sending Mr Burns as a very positive step in helping them come to an agreement. Obama is already making a tremendous difference in a positive direction, so I'm thinking he may be "INEXPERIENCED", but he sure knows how to use good judgement to make up the difference, and he's proving it. He's got my vote, and I think he could re-instill pride in being What America should represent, everything opposite of torture, mistreatment of basic human rights, rendering prisoners, Imperialistic wars, lieing to the public and the world, and spending so much time and effort as bush is now and has been, to hide much of what he has done. YES I THINK THAT THE US IS READY FOR THIS BLACK MAN OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!
Very well written post. Obama has since got my vote. I hope more American's will open their eyes and see that voting for John McCain is the same as voting Bush in for his third term.
