Unless they plan to be union lifers, what's in an Obama vote for young Americans?

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    May 04, 2012 1:56 AM GMT
    Memo to the Youth Vote
    Unless they plan to be union lifers, what's in an Obama vote for young Americans?
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303916904577378592046032370.html?mod=ITP_opinion_0
    By Daniel Henninger
    Why would anyone under the age of 25 vote for Barack Obama in November?

    Mr. Obama resumed his College Tour 2012 last week, visiting campuses in Iowa, North Carolina and Colorado for the purpose of replicating his 66% youth-vote total from 2008.

    In 2008, he reeled them in with promises of hope and change. In 2012 he's offering cash, promising to protect 3.4% interest on their college loans. We're about to find out if it's true that when you're young, hope springs eternal.

    Put differently, the past three years have been a Peter Pan presidency for Peter Pan voters. If you're going to college, it's good to vote for Barack Obama again, so long as you'll never have to turn 23. But for many young Americans, there will be no Tinker Bell showing them how to land a job with lovely thoughts.

    The youth unemployment rate for Americans has hovered around 16%. Anecdotal stories abound of college graduates living in the bedroom they grew up in, jobless. But hey, the president they voted for as freshmen is promising 3.4% interest on the average $25,000 or so of college debt they owe four years later.

    At his appearance before students at the University of Iowa, President Obama ran straight at those who've criticized his student interest-rate gift as small beer: "These guys don't get it. . . . This is the economy!" Mr. Obama shouted. "This is about your job security! This is about your future! If you do well, the economy does well. This is about the economy!"

    We get it: The election really is about the economy. If so, the job market for many young people during the Obama presidency has bordered on, well, social Darwinism. Many students who did well in school either don't have a job or took one far below their expensive skills.

    Last May, the Nobel laureate economist Robert Lucas, an expert on economic growth, put together a lecture on the economy because so many people asked him why the U.S. economy's post-recession growth rate was struggling around 2%.

    He noted that in the years after World War II, both the U.S. and Europe grew at an annual rate of about 3%. But in the mid-1970s, Western Europe dropped below that growth rate and stayed there, creating a 20% to 40% gap in income levels between Europe and the U.S. Prof. Lucas suggested this had to do with the cost of maintaining the social-welfare commitments Europe accumulated in the postwar years.

    He then looked at the levels of U.S. social-welfare commitments, including the new Obama health-care entitlement, and ended with a simple observation: "Is it possible that by imitating European policies on labor markets, welfare and taxes, the U.S. has chosen a new, lower GDP trend? If so, it may be that the weak recovery we have had so far is all the recovery we will get."

    That stark assertion—this may be all the growth we're going to get—is something the youth vote should think about. And there's a good place to do that: Backpacking through Europe. But this time try to get a look behind the fabulous theme-park façades in Italy, France, Spain, the U.K., Portugal and Greece. In Spain the youth unemployment rate is 50%; in Italy it's 36%.


    Don't miss visiting Europe's famed and beautiful universities. The Chronicle of Higher Education this week has a nightmarish story about what low economic growth has done to the Continent's intellectual seed corn. In Spain, 300,000 of last year's graduates left the country. A Portuguese professor says the system there is falling into "a sort of third-world pattern." A side-bar story is headlined: "In Italy, a Dysfunctional University System Sinks Deeper Into Decay."

    For new American college graduates, there is an alternative to that job you thought you'd have: Join a union.

    If your new goal in life is to join the United Auto Workers (saved by Mr. Obama with your parents' taxes) or work for a government agency somewhere for the next 40 years, the president is your candidate. The modern Democratic Party from top to bottom is the party of all unions, hardly different than the European political parties whose union members and unemployed college graduates filled city squares Tuesday in forlorn May Day demonstrations. If a career inside an American union is what it's all about, then an Obama vote ("Forward") is a no-brainer.

    But aside from the aspiring union lifers, what's in an Obama vote for the rest of the youth vote? The U.S. annualized growth rate in the first quarter this year was 2.2%. Perhaps the life raft is that provision in ObamaCare that extends health-insurance coverage to children living at home until the age of 26. If Barack Obama wins another four years, you may need it.
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    May 04, 2012 2:41 AM GMT
    not worth wasting time on because of this
    LarkinRead this... it's pretty instructive: 5 Ways to Spot a Bullshit Political Story in Under 10 Seconds http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-to-spot-b.s.-political-story-in-under-10-seconds

    #4
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    May 04, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    bhp91126 saidnot worth wasting time on because of this
    LarkinRead this... it's pretty instructive: 5 Ways to Spot a Bullshit Political Story in Under 10 Seconds http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-to-spot-b.s.-political-story-in-under-10-seconds
    #4

    A question and answer format is a legitimate format for discourse, but that is a good reason to discount it, sweet pinkie.
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    May 04, 2012 4:00 AM GMT
    It's just so sad what has happened to WSJ since Murdoch took it over. Henninger is a hack who moonlights on Faux News.

    Y'know, Peggy Noonan's silly reminiscences of the Reagan years are one thing, but this is just pathetic.
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    May 13, 2012 3:40 AM GMT
    Bumping this. Been discussion today about how the young people all will vote for Obama and the older will die off leaving only one party, the Democratic Party left standing.

    There was also an RJ regular, a younger guy in his early 20s who doesn't post much in the political forums, but clearly understood the economic failures of this administration and made good points. He got the RJ lefties quite upset, which led to many derogatory comments about his age.

    He is one of the smart ones, and this thread outlines just why.
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    May 13, 2012 3:48 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidBumping this. Been discussion today about how the young people all will vote for Obama and the older will die off leaving only one party, the Democratic Party left standing.

    There was also an RJ regular, a younger guy in his early 20s who doesn't post much in the political forums, but clearly understood the economic failures of this administration and made good points. He got the RJ lefties quite upset, which led to many derogatory comments about his age.

    He is one of the smart ones, and this thread outlines just why.


    Bumping your own thread is a bit sad, really.

    And one Randian in his 20s is an outlier and not representative of the great majority of American young adults.

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    May 13, 2012 3:50 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidBumping this. Been discussion today about how the young people all will vote for Obama and the older will die off leaving only one party, the Democratic Party left standing.

    There was also an RJ regular, a younger guy in his early 20s who doesn't post much in the political forums, but clearly understood the economic failures of this administration and made good points. He got the RJ lefties quite upset, which led to many derogatory comments about his age.

    He is one of the smart ones, and this thread outlines just why.


    Bumping your own thread is a bit sad, really.

    And one Randian in his 20s is an outlier and not representative of the great majority of American young adults.

    Nothing sad about it. Relevant to current discussion, and these threads are often not seen by those not active for a couple of days.
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    May 13, 2012 3:52 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidBumping this. Been discussion today about how the young people all will vote for Obama and the older will die off leaving only one party, the Democratic Party left standing.

    There was also an RJ regular, a younger guy in his early 20s who doesn't post much in the political forums, but clearly understood the economic failures of this administration and made good points. He got the RJ lefties quite upset, which led to many derogatory comments about his age.

    He is one of the smart ones, and this thread outlines just why.


    Bumping your own thread is a bit sad, really.

    And one Randian in his 20s is an outlier and not representative of the great majority of American young adults.

    Nothing sad about it. Relevant to current discussion, and these threads are often not seen by those not active for a couple of days.


    No, John. It's that no one's interested in your propaganda. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 13, 2012 3:59 AM GMT
    God this SoCal is hopeless !! He really believes this propaganda bullshit he prints for us to be disgusted by. LOL

    I sure hope no young man takes on his 'jaded' life perspective.

    Its funny to me that this SoCal actually thinks Young people would be better off with the repubs. HELL !!! its the exact opposite. if repubs get their way, young men will be in servitude for little pay to the corps.
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    May 13, 2012 4:10 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidNo, John. It's that no one's interested in your propaganda. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Many are it turns out and they have commented as such. Others can read the article and come to their own conclusion. Is that what you fear? Too bad you don't have the resources of your elder brethren who jammed RFE and VOA.
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    May 13, 2012 4:15 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidNo, John. It's that no one's interested in your propaganda. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Many are it turns out and they have commented as such. Others can read the article and come to their own conclusion. Is that what you fear? Too bad you don't have the resources of your elder brethren who jammed RFE and VOA.
    You are being irrational..

    knock it off.
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    May 13, 2012 4:16 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidNo, John. It's that no one's interested in your propaganda. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Many are it turns out and they have commented as such. Others can read the article and come to their own conclusion. Is that what you fear? Too bad you don't have the resources of your elder brethren who jammed RFE and VOA.




    Who needs to listen to jaded old men who see nothing but negative.


    Young men can have a bright future especially if they don't listen to jaded old men who fear anything outside of their 1950's Ideology
  • Webster666

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    May 13, 2012 8:01 AM GMT
    Intelligence
    Common sense
    Compassion
    Equal rights
    Upholding the Constitution
    Not rushing off to war under false pretenses
    Regulation of the banks
    Appointing competent people to the Courts
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    May 13, 2012 10:07 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidIntelligence
    Common sense
    Compassion
    Equal rights
    Upholding the Constitution
    Not rushing off to war under false pretenses
    Regulation of the banks
    Appointing competent people to the Courts


    I'll have what he's having

    Plus a little thing more

    What are the republicans doing in regauprd to student loans ???

    When you Answer that question republicans ? ..... You have your answer right there in your lap with a little bright pink bow on it
  • nanidesukedo

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    May 13, 2012 12:24 PM GMT
    I don't know...healthcare, pell grants, education grants, affordable birth control, appreciation of diversity of all types...support for all sexual orientation... I think that's a pretty simple list that will get him far.

    Of course, those of advanced age may have difficulty understanding this as there really is a generational divide.
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    May 13, 2012 12:28 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidNo, John. It's that no one's interested in your propaganda. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Many are it turns out and they have commented as such. Others can read the article and come to their own conclusion. Is that what you fear? Too bad you don't have the resources of your elder brethren who jammed RFE and VOA.


    If the bolded section was true, you wouldn't have to keep bumping your threads.
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    May 13, 2012 12:33 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidNo, John. It's that no one's interested in your propaganda. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Many are it turns out and they have commented as such. Others can read the article and come to their own conclusion. Is that what you fear? Too bad you don't have the resources of your elder brethren who jammed RFE and VOA.


    If the bolded section was true, you wouldn't have to keep bumping your threads.


    Or the other favorite conservaposse technique of spamming a favorite article or video into every thread they can find whether it belongs there or not...just because they know they have to bump their own threads and spam it for anyone to pay attention because no one really cares about their obvious trolling anymore.
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    May 13, 2012 1:00 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidNo, John. It's that no one's interested in your propaganda. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Many are it turns out and they have commented as such. Others can read the article and come to their own conclusion. Is that what you fear? Too bad you don't have the resources of your elder brethren who jammed RFE and VOA.




    Who needs to listen to jaded old men who see nothing but negative.


    Young men can have a bright future especially if they don't listen to jaded old men who fear anything outside of their 1950's Ideology



    I have long said that I enjoy a good thorough political discussion. Much can be gained and learned from an open and honest back and forth with those with ideas from different political viewpoints. We have them in our family, I have them with my republican friends. Let me say in most cases, they are still friends. Unfortunately here, most of that kind of dialogue gets lost in
    the apparent objective of just slamming one side or the other or emphasizing a point that is so biased it doesn't make sense.... or even worse, just an effort to "jerk around" the other side.

    What ever happened to an honest discussion .... with a question presented in a responsible manner to induce a variety of responses. Some of this here is just ridiculous....
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    Jun 12, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI have long said that I enjoy a good thorough political discussion.

    Had you considered responding to the points in the OP if you really do enjoy a good thorough political discussion? The points made were backed up with numbers. You could have challenged them if so inclined. Why not?
  • nanidesukedo

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    Jun 12, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HndsmKansan saidI have long said that I enjoy a good thorough political discussion.

    Really now?


    Grave dug to post this? really? Someone just wanted an excuse to grave dig.
  • Timbales

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    Jun 12, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    Why vote for Obama? He's not Romney.
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    Jun 12, 2012 5:17 AM GMT
    Timbales saidWhy vote for Obama? He's not Romney.


    Because that's worked out so well for the US... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 12, 2012 5:23 AM GMT
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    Timbales saidWhy vote for Obama? He's not Romney.


    Because that's worked out so well for the US... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yep, it did, actually. He inherited a horrible economic downturn/depression, and since he took office, things have been getting better - albeit slowly.

    He introduced sweeping healthcare reform.
    He supports gay marriage.
    He got rid of DADT...

    The list goes on. Progress..Not regression, which is what fundamental conservatives want.
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    riddler78 said
    Timbales saidWhy vote for Obama? He's not Romney.


    Because that's worked out so well for the US... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yep, it did, actually. He inherited a horrible economic downturn/depression, and since he took office, things have been getting better - albeit slowly.

    He introduced sweeping healthcare reform.
    He supports gay marriage.
    He got rid of DADT...

    The list goes on. Progress..Not regression, which is what fundamental conservatives want.


    You'd be in the minority if you believe that the economic rebound is anything but dismal. The economy was forecast to be flying - even the Obama Administration thought it would be - the only problem is that they spent their money on things that didn't work including projects conveniently pushed by their financial backers.

    Yes, we're further on the gay rights issues. But again, as I've noted repeatedly you suffer gay or straight from bad economic times - unless of course you work for the government.

    And as for the "sweeping healthcare reform" the one that's despised by a majority of the US? Well count that in the plus column if you want, but by doing so, and accepting how horribly written it was for the benefit of lobbyists in the insurance industry and for certain other major corporations, you're showing your colors as a partisan - and not even an ideologue who puts values in ideas over party.
  • nanidesukedo

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    Jun 12, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    nanidesukedo said
    riddler78 said
    Timbales saidWhy vote for Obama? He's not Romney.


    Because that's worked out so well for the US... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yep, it did, actually. He inherited a horrible economic downturn/depression, and since he took office, things have been getting better - albeit slowly.

    He introduced sweeping healthcare reform.
    He supports gay marriage.
    He got rid of DADT...

    The list goes on. Progress..Not regression, which is what fundamental conservatives want.


    You'd be in the minority if you believe that the economic rebound is anything but dismal. The economy was forecast to be flying - even the Obama Administration thought it would be - the only problem is that they spent their money on things that didn't work including projects conveniently pushed by their financial backers.

    Yes, we're further on the gay rights issues. But again, as I've noted repeatedly you suffer gay or straight from bad economic times - unless of course you work for the government.

    And as for the "sweeping healthcare reform" the one that's despised by a majority of the US? Well count that in the plus column if you want, but by doing so, and accepting how horribly written it was for the benefit of lobbyists in the insurance industry and for certain other major corporations, you're showing your colors as a partisan - and not even an ideologue who puts values in ideas over party.


    Nope, wrong-o, my support of the healthcare reform is as an actual doctor, as a healthcare provider. It's not perfect, but it's a major step in the right direction and helps close a lot of huge holes in the current healthcare system - ones that I deal with every day with my patients.