Brian Brown of NOM challenges Dan Savage to "Pick on someone his own size..."

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    May 04, 2012 7:23 PM GMT


    http://www.nomblog.com/22457/


    (Quoted from the linked article) Brian Brown, of the National Organization for Marriage, said:Let me lay down a public challenge to Dan Savage right here and now: You want to savage the Bible? Christian morality? Traditional marriage? Pope Benedict? I'm here, you name the time and the place and let's see what a big man you are in a debate with someone who can talk back. It's easy to make high-school girls cry by picking on them. Let's pick on someone our own size!


    I'd pay to see that debate.
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    May 04, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
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    May 04, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    cockfight?
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    May 04, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said

    http://www.nomblog.com/22457/


    (Quoted from the linked article) Brian Brown, of the National Organization for Marriage, said:Let me lay down a public challenge to Dan Savage right here and now: You want to savage the Bible? Christian morality? Traditional marriage? Pope Benedict? I'm here, you name the time and the place and let's see what a big man you are in a debate with someone who can talk back. It's easy to make high-school girls cry by picking on them. Let's pick on someone our own size!


    I'd pay to see that debate.


    Heck, I'd buy the skybox!
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    May 04, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
    roll eyes
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    May 04, 2012 11:48 PM GMT
    Hope they have popcorn at the debate!
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    May 04, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    oh, it's ON!...

    dance off!
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    May 05, 2012 12:15 AM GMT
    Stuttershock saidoh, it's ON!...

    dance off!


    Best. "Someone who can talk back"? Why was he poking fun at mutes before?
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    May 05, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
    notadumbjock saidcockfight?



    That would be a debate between Dan Savage and Maggie Gallagher.
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    May 05, 2012 12:54 AM GMT
    I have commanded Dan to take up the challenge and he is obeying my law. Dan replied, just hours ago, "you're on motherfucker". I don't know how Dan knows this, but, I'm investigating it. Brown really does fuck mothers. He's a milf chaser. I also happen to know Brown's penis is horribly misshapen. We negotiated it while I was forming him in the womb. In exchange for his horribly misshapen penis, he was given the temporary ability to whip people into a frenzy. The other part of the deal was that when the contract ended, he'd be so out of shape that he couldn't whip an egg white into a froth. That time is nigh.
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    May 05, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    I can't wait!
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    May 05, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    I think the debate would be really interesting to see. However, am I the only one that thought Dan Savage's response to the challenge was inappropriate and tacky? I just don't get how someone like him who goes around the country lecturing about bullying, right out of the box resorts to name-calling and profanities. Just my 2 cents. I hope the debate takes place though.
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    May 05, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
    I wonder if NOM and Brian Brown are already going over excuses to back out of the debate.
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    May 05, 2012 1:25 AM GMT
    Hey curiousjock, I kind of agree.
    I like reading Dan Savage's columns, but his anti-bullying campaign seems very politicized. He's against bullying, but then name called people who walked out on him at talk he was giving. Isn't name calling bullying??

    CuriousJockAZ saidI think the debate would be really interesting to see. However, am I the only one that thought Dan Savage's response to the challenge was inappropriate and tacky? I just don't get how someone like him who goes around the country lecturing about bullying, right out of the box resorts to name-calling and profanities. Just my 2 cents. I hope the debate takes place though.
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    May 05, 2012 1:28 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think the debate would be really interesting to see. However, am I the only one that thought Dan Savage's response to the challenge was inappropriate and tacky? I just don't get how someone like him who goes around the country lecturing about bullying, right out of the box resorts to name-calling and profanities. Just my 2 cents. I hope the debate takes place though.

    You are making my head hurt.


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    May 05, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    Yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!! icon_smile.gif
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    May 05, 2012 1:32 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    canuckinmelb said Isn't name calling bullying?

    One mo' time:

    NO IT ISN'T.

    It can be a component of it, but it is NOT in an of itself bullying. That's buying into the whole "oh we Christians are so persecuted" thing. It's an attempt to shut us up, and anyone who repeats it is a useful idiot for those who would very much like to shut us up.



    Sorry, JP, but I disagree. Dan Savage looked like an immature punk in his response, and he's a 47 year old man who travels the country expecting to be taken seriously with his "Anti Bullying" speeches. I think his heart is in the right place, but his mouth makes him look like an utter hypocrite. If he's going to be a spokesman for the gay community, especially if it's for "anti bullying", then show some class and stop resorting to name-calling.
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    May 05, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
    "Christians hate fags" therefore fags have to hate christians.
    I don't believe in a zero sum game like that. It doesn't move anything foreward, and just fosters anger and resentment. Hardly conducive to anti-bullying, and against both Christian values of "Jesus loves you" and the gay community's so called tolerance.

    I don't buy into either. Dan Savage would do much better if stuck to real arguments to make a case instead of name-calling. It's childish.

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    canuckinmelb said Isn't name calling bullying?

    One mo' time:

    NO IT ISN'T.

    It can be a component of it, but it is NOT in an of itself bullying. That's buying into the whole "oh we Christians are so persecuted" thing. It's an attempt to shut us up, and anyone who repeats it is a useful idiot for those who would very much like to shut us up.
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    May 05, 2012 1:39 AM GMT
    No I didn't. You said people were trying to shut him up.
    20-30 people walked out of his presentation. That's not shutting him up. That is what normal people do when they see/hear something they don't like.
    They didn't like what his was saying, so they politely walked out, and he started insulting them, calling them pansy-assed.

    That's bullying. Two wrongs don't make a right mate.

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    I don't hate Christians and you've missed the point entirely.[/quote]
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    May 05, 2012 1:56 AM GMT
    I don't think Dan will have a problem. I would love to see the Oxford or Cambridge debate team take on Brian Brown and his talking points. Poor boy would be left in a puddle of his own tears and piss.
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    May 05, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
    1) It was 20-30 students out of an audience of 2,800.
    2) They walked out on his speech, that's not stifling his criticisms.

    In a free society, people are free to get up and leave if they hear something they don't like, whether it was pre-planned or not. They didn't stop his presentation. They are free to walk out, just like no one is forcing you or I to sit in a church and listen to a priest say that gays are going to hell.

    By the way, Dan Savage has already apologized for his actions. So really even he admits he was over the top and didn't think before he spoke.

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    1. They didn't walk out. It was a pre-planned, co-ordinated bit of theater. If there was a "wrong" here, it was using these children as part of their larger agenda. And by them, I mean the churchly folk.

    2. This is part of a larger campaign in this country to make it so that religion cannot be legitimately criticized.

    3. Anyone who has ever read or heard Dan Savage speak knows that this is always how he expresses himself; to say this was "aimed" at anyone is ridiculous, and buys into the fake outrage of the right-wing.

    As a Canadian living in Australia, you must be aware that as much as what gets reported on here, a great deal does not. So I'm going to just assume that you don't realize that this is a classic travesty----what went on has almost nothing to do with what actually happened.[/quote]
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    May 05, 2012 2:10 AM GMT
    Brian Brown should be killed.
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    May 05, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidBrian Brown should be killed.



    I wish you would stop beating around the bush in these threads all the time and come out and tell us how you really feel.
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    May 05, 2012 2:32 AM GMT
    Savage responds with the language that all sane gay people should adopt.

    First there was the word, and the word evolved, and became what I wanted it to. So, game on, brian brown, motherfucker.
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    May 05, 2012 3:28 AM GMT
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    And if you can't see that you'd better take off those rosy glasses.[/quote]

    I don't have rosy glasses. Whether it was pre-planned or not is irrelevent, they were well within their right to walk out. Dan Savages freedoms were not taken away by that.