Billy Graham backs North Carolina amendment

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    May 05, 2012 4:00 AM GMT
    I'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/billy-graham-backs-north-carolinas-gay-marriage-ban/

    It's so not necessary.
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    May 05, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/billy-graham-backs-north-carolinas-gay-marriage-ban/

    It's so not necessary.


    And you're surprised because........?
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    May 05, 2012 4:40 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/billy-graham-backs-north-carolinas-gay-marriage-ban/

    It's so not necessary.


    And you're surprised because........?


    It's so not necessary
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    May 05, 2012 5:08 AM GMT

    Of course it's not necessary. All the Republican party has to do is boot out the assholes and call them out when they go stupid publicly. That goes for both sides.

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    May 05, 2012 5:39 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.
    Welcome to your party.
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    May 05, 2012 6:31 AM GMT
    I'm totally convinced that our political system is officially FUBAR.

    And that our republic (in pretense) is very much on borrowed time... civil war, if not warlordism ala 1920s China is probably in our future.
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    May 05, 2012 6:37 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidI'm totally convinced that our political system is officially FUBAR.

    And that our republic (in pretense) is very much on borrowed time... civil war, if not warlordism ala 1920s China is probably in our future.
    I've been thinking for the past couple years that the US is heading toward another civil war. As the saying goes: "It wouldn't be the first time."
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    May 05, 2012 7:05 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.
    Welcome to your party.


    Thanks
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    May 05, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
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    AlphaTrigger saidI'm totally convinced that our political system is officially FUBAR.

    And that our republic (in pretense) is very much on borrowed time... civil war, if not warlordism ala 1920s China is probably in our future.
    I've been thinking for the past couple years that the US is heading toward another civil war. As the saying goes: "It wouldn't be the first time."


    As I've been saying ... between the right and the left.
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    May 05, 2012 7:12 AM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    AlphaTrigger saidI'm totally convinced that our political system is officially FUBAR.

    And that our republic (in pretense) is very much on borrowed time... civil war, if not warlordism ala 1920s China is probably in our future.
    I've been thinking for the past couple years that the US is heading toward another civil war. As the saying goes: "It wouldn't be the first time."


    As I've been saying ... between the right and the left.
    And when/if that happens, most of the people from the right are gonna switch to the left once they realize the right wants to remove rights instead of support them. icon_wink.gif
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    May 05, 2012 7:17 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI've been thinking for the past couple years that the US is heading toward another civil war. As the saying goes: "It wouldn't be the first time."

    my dad says that a US civil war will be WW III. it won't just be the US, it will draw the world into war, economic collapse, and the general disintegration of governments/societies. wonder what will arise from the ashes? feudalism? or will there even be a world left? i can picture desperate ppl using nukes...maybe not even as a last resort.
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    May 05, 2012 7:23 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidAs I've been saying ... between the right and the left.

    nope, "race" war. and what happens when all the stocks/bonds/$$$ r worthless? it's access 2 land/H2O, Au, Ag, and weapons that'll decide winners and losers.
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    May 05, 2012 7:44 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.
    Welcome to your party.


    Not that yours is without it's sins or faults; something about people who live in glass houses.
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    May 05, 2012 12:04 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/billy-graham-backs-north-carolinas-gay-marriage-ban/

    It's so not necessary.


    Why because he's old and decrepit? ... or because he's showing his true nature?
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    May 05, 2012 12:19 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/billy-graham-backs-north-carolinas-gay-marriage-ban/

    It's so not necessary.


    And you're surprised because........?


    It's so not necessary



    You go to the beach and are surprised sand gets in your swimsuit I bet. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 05, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.

    Respected? Says who? He's always been a crazy old coot even when he was younger.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_graham

    Evidently by a few on your side too

    "Graham has been spiritual adviser to several United States Presidents and has met with 12,[2] dating back to Harry S. Truman. He has repeatedly been on Gallup's most admired man and woman poll, and is listed at number seven for the 20th century (taken in 1999).[3] He was ordained by the Southern Baptist Convention"

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    May 05, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree said
    Scruffypup said
    freedomisntfree saidI'm really sorry to see this from someone as respected as Billy Graham.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/billy-graham-backs-north-carolinas-gay-marriage-ban/

    It's so not necessary.


    And you're surprised because........?


    It's so not necessary



    You go to the beach and are surprised sand gets in your swimsuit I bet. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I go to the kind of beaches where a bathing suit isn't an issue. icon_wink.gif
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    May 05, 2012 2:33 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    paulflexes said
    AlphaTrigger saidI'm totally convinced that our political system is officially FUBAR.

    And that our republic (in pretense) is very much on borrowed time... civil war, if not warlordism ala 1920s China is probably in our future.
    I've been thinking for the past couple years that the US is heading toward another civil war. As the saying goes: "It wouldn't be the first time."


    As I've been saying ... between the right and the left.
    And when/if that happens, most of the people from the right are gonna switch to the left once they realize the right wants to remove rights instead of support them. icon_wink.gif


    The capacity to hate from the left is unmatched by anything on the right. I'll stay where I am.
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    May 05, 2012 2:45 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidAs I've been saying ... between the right and the left.

    nope, "race" war. and what happens when all the stocks/bonds/$$$ r worthless? it's access 2 land/H2O, Au, Ag, and weapons that'll decide winners and losers.


    THIS.

    Though it would be between blocs of nation-states initially, it would rapidly devolve into tribal warlordism on a town-by-town basis and in major cities, a neighbourhood by neighbourhood basis.

    See also:
    - Somalia
    - Afghanistan

    Not so sure nukes will come into play unless at the earliest stages of war, as they require a fair amount of integration and a strong central government in place to use in mass.

    Perhaps a few rogue generals who envision a coup d'etat might figure something out, so long as they can "privatize" their armies as incredibly well-armed gangs and keep them foraging long enough to claim sovereignty over some land by force.

    What is coming for us - should the current policies kept in place by the corporatist plutocrats who are failing at running things continue - is a long decline for humanity back to feudal levels for a dark age likely to last several centuries if not millennia.

    Our own self destructive nature will finally bring our populations into check, and keep us at sustainable numbers ( < 1,000,000,000 people)
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    May 05, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said
    notadumbjock said
    freedomisntfree saidAs I've been saying ... between the right and the left.

    nope, "race" war. and what happens when all the stocks/bonds/$$$ r worthless? it's access 2 land/H2O, Au, Ag, and weapons that'll decide winners and losers.


    THIS.

    Though it would be between blocs of nation-states initially, it would rapidly devolve into tribal warlordism on a town-by-town basis and in major cities, a neighbourhood by neighbourhood basis.

    See also:
    - Somalia
    - Afghanistan

    Not so sure nukes will come into play unless at the earliest stages of war, as they require a fair amount of integration and a strong central government in place to use in mass.

    Perhaps a few rogue generals who envision a coup d'etat might figure something out, so long as they can "privatize" their armies as incredibly well-armed gangs and keep them foraging long enough to claim sovereignty over some land by force.

    What is coming for us - should the current policies kept in place by the corporatist plutocrats who are failing at running things continue - is a long decline for humanity back to feudal levels for a dark age likely to last several centuries if not millennia.

    Our own self destructive nature will finally bring our populations into check, and keep us at sustainable numbers ( < 1,000,000,000 people)


    I think it’s just as likely that the acrimony between the right and left end up in a shooting war.
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    May 05, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said

    I think it’s just as likely that the acrimony between the right and left end up in a shooting war.


    Haha.

    The "war" between progressives and right-wingers will not be won with guns, it will be won with caskets -- I'd say in about twenty years at the most.

    A supermajority of young Americans support equality and same-sex marriage. That means we don't have to kill Republicans to win: we just have to wait for them to get old and die.
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    May 05, 2012 4:30 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said

    I think it’s just as likely that the acrimony between the right and left end up in a shooting war.


    Haha.

    The "war" between progressives and right-wingers will not be won with guns, it will be won with caskets -- I'd say in about twenty years at the most.

    A supermajority of young Americans support equality and same-sex marriage. That means we don't have to kill Republicans to win: we just have to wait for them to get old and die.


    guns >>> caskets

    we won't wait that long.

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    May 05, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    whenever i hear shit like this, i always go back 2 this "It Gets Better" clip. Randy Roberts Potts, Oral Roberts grandson's entry is hearbreaking, yet, ultimately, uplifting.

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    May 06, 2012 2:29 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said


    The capacity to hate from the left is unmatched by anything on the right. I'll stay where I am.




    OLD GEEZER !!! WAKE UP !!!! Your bitching about Billy JR's being out there too far on the 'right' (which should be considered 'wrong') and this is your side buddy, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? This is your Christian Fundi bullshit at its best. He's right there with you on your favorite subject of promoting war for the Chosen and the whole Bible crock of Bull. so why complain on the one hand and yet support them on the other. Your right !! you'll "stay where 'you' are" and that is one of Billy JR's followers.


    When your pointing at the left, you as a far right Christian Fundi have more fingers pointing right back at yourself. But as is typical you far righty fanatics have a way of turning your bible beliefs around to support just about anything.

    YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKED UP !!


    As I've said many a time here, we will come far closer to losing our freedoms from the far right Chirstian Fundi's taking control, than we ever would from the open minded pregressive liefties. You'd have to be blind to not see that the trend has already begun, its been going that way since all the fearmongering of the Bush years.

    As Ben Franklin said. "he who gives up freedoms for a little safety deserves neither freedom nor safety"
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    May 06, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidThe capacity to hate from the left is unmatched by anything on the right. I'll stay where I am.

    This is the literal opposite of the truth.
    The left has nothing like 'white supremacist' groups. Or militias. Or people who shoot up abortion doctors. Or people who randomly shoot up the Holocaust Museum. The left has never shot a Congressperson giving an open-air townhall meeting. The last outbreak of violence on the left side was in about 1975, and that was the SLA, which even by then was the last remaining leftist violent cadre. You need to go back 40 years to find leftist violence. You need to go back only about 40 minutes to find it on the right.


    ^^^ THIS! ^^^
    And the funny thing is, they will just bleep right over this truth like it's something trivial, but in reality it speaks to the enormous difference between the Left and the Right.