Bulking is anti-bulking...

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    May 06, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
    So I'm trying to eat to bulk a bit as I'm shifting more toward a hypertrophy rep/weight range...

    ...and I am loosing weight. While my tape measures haven't gone down (except for the waistline) I'm certainly not gaining, particularly on the desired areas (arms/triceps, upper back, "disco tits" in particular).

    Down to 167, looking to get up to 185 or so.

    So much for a clean bulk - wondering how to do this with intermittent fasting as I don't wanna get puffy-big.

    What's a boy to do?
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    May 06, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidSo I'm trying to eat to bulk a bit as I'm shifting more toward a hypertrophy rep/weight range...

    ...and I am loosing weight. While my tape measures haven't gone down (except for the waistline) I'm certainly not gaining, particularly on the desired areas (arms/triceps, upper back, "disco tits" in particular).

    Down to 167, looking to get up to 185 or so.

    So much for a clean bulk - wondering how to do this with intermittent fasting as I don't wanna get puffy-big.

    What's a boy to do?


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    May 06, 2012 3:52 AM GMT
    Forget the fat inducing bulk routine. If you want to gain lean muscle mass, focus on hypertrophy in your workouts. And consume most of your carbs before and after your workouts.
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    May 07, 2012 12:25 AM GMT
    yeah need your daily diet info here, you are going to have to take in a pretty big calorie surplus, protein amped of course but also fats too

    are you willing to lose the inevitable definition, maybe you want to postpone your bulk to the fall
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    May 07, 2012 4:53 AM GMT
    You can have a clean bulking diet but you have to be religious about eating the right amount of calories. You might think you are eating a lot but you prob are not and your workouts are erasing the surplus.

    I did a 30% carbs, 50% protein and 20% fat diet that worked well for me from 136 to 160.

    I couldn't budge from there.. even at 4k calories a day, so I"m going keto (~0% carbs, 50% protein, 50% fat).. and so far liking it.
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    May 08, 2012 6:21 AM GMT
    you can't build muscle without the protein. But you can't absorb too much at one time, no matter what you've heard. 30-40gr seems to be the standard. too much protein (even if you juice) stresses your kidneys and you piss the excess away anyhow. So that's a good reason for many smaller meals spaced throughout the day. You definitely need carbs pre-workout for energy, post-workout for glucose/glycogen replacement, and some carbs in the morning to get going. Even if you go low-carb, you need a minimum of 60 to 100gr per day just for the brain functions. Keep in mind that protein and carbs have the same caloric value (4.5 calories). Fats, (good fats, that is) should make up 20% of your diet. They have 9 calories. So putting this all together, you need more calories to grow. And you can use less carbs if you increase the protein.
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    May 08, 2012 6:25 AM GMT
    xrichx saidForget the fat inducing bulk routine. If you want to gain lean muscle mass, focus on hypertrophy in your workouts. And consume most of your carbs before and after your workouts.
    That is what I'm forgetting! I used to do that before and after every workout! Been so long, I also did it before going to the bars and clubs after leaving the gym... sigh* Thanks for posting Rich!
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    May 08, 2012 6:31 AM GMT
    Fats are just as important to muscle growth as protein and good carbs. Good fats support hormone production, which supports growth. "Clean bulking" almost implies that you are depleting alot of the fats from your diet, and that may not be the direction you want to go.
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    May 08, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    You may benefit from taking a blood test to find out the exact chemistry (cholesterol, minerals, etc), and gut bacteria content. This will form a basis for the next level of building muscles... given that your diet is balanced and 40-50 percent fresh produce ( think kale, spinach) and plenty of probiotics (sauerkraut, kimchi).
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    May 09, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    Pasta!