V.P Biden endorses Gay Marriage.

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    May 06, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/06/478786/biden-marriage/?mobile=nc


    Good to see him make that statement.
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    May 06, 2012 5:13 PM GMT
    im so glad he made that statement... but i do find it amusing that he gives Will & Grace so much credit when there have been so many other things in the media changing things for the better
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    May 06, 2012 5:32 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidBut here's the important part:

    He added, however, that “the President sets the policy” and did not say if he would support marriage in a second term

    Also, something overlooked by "the gays:"

    He even sought common ground with Sarah Palin on the issue and noted that both believe that “there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple.”



    His statement is a bigger step than anyone else in Washington has taken. For being a "gay man" you sure seem to be against gay rights. Hate to break it to you but Obama will have 4 more years and we will then see what gets done.
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    May 06, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    Its nice of him to say, but Biden has zero influence or respect. I dont think it matters one way or another as it relates to gay marriage. But, again, its nice for him to say it. His comments are well timed as NC is all but to ban being gay soon.
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    May 06, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    msuNtx said
    southbeach1500 saidBut here's the important part:

    He added, however, that “the President sets the policy” and did not say if he would support marriage in a second term

    Also, something overlooked by "the gays:"

    He even sought common ground with Sarah Palin on the issue and noted that both believe that “there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple.”



    His statement is a bigger step than anyone else in Washington has taken. For being a "gay man" you sure seem to be against gay rights. Hate to break it to you but Obama will have 4 more years and we will then see what gets done.


    Hate to break it to you, but Obama had a rare, historic opportunity in the first two years of his administration when his party had super-majorities in both the House and the Senate - something that rarely has happened in the past 25 years, and he and his party did nothing on gay marriage.



    That is upsetting, however his administration has taken some steps towards equality. That is better than no progress at all.
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    May 06, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    i could take a cynical view and say this is simple politicking, id est, shoring up the Democratic Party's base, and giving Pres. Obama a pass on the equality issue. instead, i applaud VP Biden. w/ the NC vote going against "us," it's a ray of hope, and a show of courage.
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    May 06, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    Obama and Biden need to do what they need to do to get re-elected. If that means not making any strong comments supporting gay marriage, then so be it. It makes far more sense to not upset independent voters via strong support for gay marriage. Being able to place possibly three supreme court justices in their second term will be FAR more valuable.
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    May 06, 2012 5:46 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    msuNtx said
    southbeach1500 said
    msuNtx said
    southbeach1500 said

    And the Democrats and the President knew that in 2009-2010 that was probably the only chance they would have to do it - but they didn't because they would rather keep stringing the gays along election cycle after election cycle to get their votes.


    My guess is that he was planning to let SCOTUS decide so he would not have to commit to anything. Which is how its playing out. Him doing it would be foolish from a political POV. Letting SCOTUS decide provides political cover. It might work out. But doing it on his own would have been foolish and political suicide.
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    lol@ SBs Obama should be a dictator but get him out of office because he's a dictator.

    Perhaps Obama will do what Cretien did.

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    May 06, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    msuNtx said
    southbeach1500 said
    msuNtx said
    southbeach1500 saidBut here's the important part:

    He added, however, that “the President sets the policy” and did not say if he would support marriage in a second term

    Also, something overlooked by "the gays:"

    He even sought common ground with Sarah Palin on the issue and noted that both believe that “there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple.”



    His statement is a bigger step than anyone else in Washington has taken. For being a "gay man" you sure seem to be against gay rights. Hate to break it to you but Obama will have 4 more years and we will then see what gets done.


    Hate to break it to you, but Obama had a rare, historic opportunity in the first two years of his administration when his party had super-majorities in both the House and the Senate - something that rarely has happened in the past 25 years, and he and his party did nothing on gay marriage.



    That is upsetting, however his administration has taken some steps towards equality. That is better than no progress at all.


    Thanks for at least having an open mind. Now, please realize that "steps" aren't what are needed - there is only one step and that is for Congress to pass a law and the President to sign it.

    And the Democrats and the President knew that in 2009-2010 that was probably the only chance they would have to do it - but they didn't because they would rather keep stringing the gays along election cycle after election cycle to get their votes.


    Dear boy, it would have been nice to have gay issues addressed from 2009 to the 2010 elections, however.....our President had to stop an economic mess left in his lap from your buddy, George W. Had he not been saddled with so many disasters created during the last (and final) Bush administration, much more could have been done.

    We were not strung along for votes. Think about what you just said. C'mon!
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    May 06, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    lol@ SBs Obama should be a dictator but get him out of office because he's a dictator.

    Perhaps Obama will do what Cretien did.



    Why are you injecting taunts into what has so far been a civil conversation?


    Of all the people...icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 06, 2012 5:50 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    southbeach1500 said
    msuNtx said
    southbeach1500 said
    msuNtx said
    southbeach1500 saidBut here's the important part:

    He added, however, that “the President sets the policy” and did not say if he would support marriage in a second term

    Also, something overlooked by "the gays:"

    He even sought common ground with Sarah Palin on the issue and noted that both believe that “there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple.”



    His statement is a bigger step than anyone else in Washington has taken. For being a "gay man" you sure seem to be against gay rights. Hate to break it to you but Obama will have 4 more years and we will then see what gets done.


    Hate to break it to you, but Obama had a rare, historic opportunity in the first two years of his administration when his party had super-majorities in both the House and the Senate - something that rarely has happened in the past 25 years, and he and his party did nothing on gay marriage.



    That is upsetting, however his administration has taken some steps towards equality. That is better than no progress at all.


    Thanks for at least having an open mind. Now, please realize that "steps" aren't what are needed - there is only one step and that is for Congress to pass a law and the President to sign it.

    And the Democrats and the President knew that in 2009-2010 that was probably the only chance they would have to do it - but they didn't because they would rather keep stringing the gays along election cycle after election cycle to get their votes.


    Dear boy, it would have been nice to have gay issues addressed from 2009 to the 2010 elections, however.....our President had to stop an economic mess left in his lap from your buddy, George W. Had he not been saddled with so many disasters created during the last (and final) Bush administration, much more could have been done.

    We were not strung along for votes. Think about what you just said. C'mon!



    I support Obama but do not blame the economic downfall on Bush. Blame the banks and wall street and stupid Americans that do not know how to use money properly.
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    May 06, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    n8698u said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    lol@ SBs Obama should be a dictator but get him out of office because he's a dictator.

    Perhaps Obama will do what Cretien did.



    Why are you injecting taunts into what has so far been a civil conversation?


    Of all the people...icon_rolleyes.gif


    lol, that was no taunt, but the following is:

    I think if SB clutched his pearls in indignation any tighter he'd snap the string on them. icon_wink.gif

    I wonder if he'll bother go and look up what Cretien did?
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    May 06, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    n8698u said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    lol@ SBs Obama should be a dictator but get him out of office because he's a dictator.

    Perhaps Obama will do what Cretien did.



    Why are you injecting taunts into what has so far been a civil conversation?


    Of all the people...icon_rolleyes.gif





    SERIOUSLY icon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif



    Pot...kettle...black....



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    May 06, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
    lol, I would say disrespect to the OP's topic would be peeing on his parade, which is what you did SB.

    kisses,
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    Good for Mr Biden!

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    May 06, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    Oh now SB. There there *pats back* Now go forth and start a topic about the ghastly hypocrisy of VP Biden (which I'm sure you already have all typed up)

    Say! You could begin it with Obama Success. icon_wink.gif

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    May 06, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rnch said
    n8698u said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    lol@ SBs Obama should be a dictator but get him out of office because he's a dictator.

    Perhaps Obama will do what Cretien did.



    Why are you injecting taunts into what has so far been a civil conversation?


    Of all the people...icon_rolleyes.gif





    SERIOUSLY icon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif



    Pot...kettle...black....



    icon_lol.gif



    And your comment has contributed to the topic how? Look, I get it, you and the "meninlove" hate me - so why not just send me nasty emails instead of derailing what was a very good discussion prior to you guys showing up?


    Do you have short term memory loss, or dissociative disorder? Do you really NOT see yourself?
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    May 06, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    turtleneckjock said
    Dear boy, it would have been nice to have gay issues addressed from 2009 to the 2010 elections, however.....our President had to stop an economic mess left in his lap from your buddy, George W. Had he not been saddled with so many disasters created during the last (and final) Bush administration, much more could have been done.


    The Executive and Legislative branches are capable of doing more than one thing at once.



    turtleneckjock said
    We were not strung along for votes. Think about what you just said. C'mon!


    Your point of view, which differs from mine.


    Yeah, our points of view differ....a helluva lot! However, if our side started on social issues (i.e gay rights) first, then your side would have screamed that we weren't concentrating on the economy and jobs. Right???

    Therefore, we had other fish to fry and while I'm a huge proponent of rights for all those involved, the economy took priority, which was the correct thing to do.

    If gay rights was our lead off batter in 2009, you would have been right there with your pal Mitch McConnell seeing who could bitch the loudest!

    Think....think....think....You are capable.
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    At least one of my forum topics gets more than 1 comment icon_smile.gif
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    May 06, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidAt least one of my forum topics gets more than 1 comment icon_smile.gif


    It's politics my friend. It brings out the activist in all of us (both sides).
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    msuNtx saidAt least one of my forum topics gets more than 1 comment icon_smile.gif


    start anything on politics, fems, minorities or "who is hot" and it will go on for days.
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    May 06, 2012 6:09 PM GMT
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    msuNtx saidAt least one of my forum topics gets more than 1 comment icon_smile.gif


    start anything on politics, fems, minorities or "who is hot" and it will go on for days.


    This wasn't intended to start a political war. It was just me sharing what I read this morning. I mean come on guys we are all gays. It should make us all happy.
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    May 06, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    icon_biggrin.gif I see the political threads are just as I left them. I almost miss it...
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    May 06, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidIts nice of him to say, but Biden has zero influence or respect. I dont think it matters one way or another as it relates to gay marriage. But, again, its nice for him to say it. His comments are well timed as NC is all but to ban being gay soon.

    Biden is a sop thrown to distract gays and buy time for PaleObama to evolve.
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    May 06, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    msuNtx said
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    msuNtx saidAt least one of my forum topics gets more than 1 comment icon_smile.gif


    start anything on politics, fems, minorities or "who is hot" and it will go on for days.


    This wasn't intended to start a political war. It was just me sharing what I read this morning. I mean come on guys we are all gays. It should make us all happy.


    This always starts a political war. To many, politics is tribal. If a politican says or does anything it becomes political. Usually because it is. Although in this case I dont think it is.