Taking back Biden" gay marriage comments

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    May 06, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
    in other words....just dont call it marriage!


    "...the possibility of Biden becoming the highest-ranking U.S. official to endorse marriage equality was short-lived, as his office and the Obama campaign immediately walked back his comments, saying they were totally in line with the views of the president, who does not support full marriage equality rights.

    "The vice president was saying what the president has said previously -- that committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans, and that we oppose any effort to rollback those rights. ... Beyond that, the vice president was expressing that he too is evolving on the issue, after meeting so many committed couples and families in this country," said a Biden spokesperson.

    On Twitter, top Obama political adviser David Axelrod said, "What VP said-that all married couples should have exactly the same legal rights-is precisely POTUS's position."

    Gay rights supporters reacted with frustration and disappointment to Axelrod's comments.

    "David Axelrod is once again frantically trying to push gay stuff back in the closet. This is really quite ludicrous," tweeted Michelangelo Signorile, host of The Michelangelo Signorile Show on Sirius XM and editor-at-large of The Huffington Post's Gay Voices.

    "All Axelrod's denial does is further tick the gays off while doing nothing to dispel the notion on the right that the president already embraces gay marriage," wrote prominent LGBT blogger John Aravosis on his site, AMERICAblog.

    "Remember those 5 minutes when Biden was for gay marriage? Good times," quipped Chris Barron, founder of the Republican pro-gay rights group GOProud.

    Winnie Stachelberg, executive vice president for external affairs at the Center for American Progress added, “We commend Vice President Biden for supporting marriage equality and call on President Obama to do the same. The campaign shouldn’t force Biden’s comments back into the closet, but should instead embrace the growing popular support for the freedom to marry.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/06/joe-biden_n_1489670.html
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    May 06, 2012 8:56 PM GMT
    This is just strange --- such mixed signals --- It's like 2 steps forward, one step back. If the Democrats are suppose to be the open-minded party when it comes to gay rights, why the quick back-pedaling? What are they afraid of?icon_confused.gif
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    May 06, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis is just strange --- such mixed signals --- It's like 2 steps forward, one step back. If the Democrats are suppose to be the open-minded party when it comes to gay rights, why the quick back-pedaling? What are they afraid of?icon_confused.gif

    Obama is an intrinsic homophobe.
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    May 06, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    Well, at least Mitt Romney and the republicans are completely clear, they will always support marriage for gays.
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    May 06, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
    This seems like an opportunity missed to give some hope to gays not happy with the administration's progress on gay rights and its refusal to fully embrace the idea of marriage equality, by letting Biden support same-sex marriage without Obama yet taking that step. They should have just let Biden's statement stand. This isn't one of those issues where you would expect everyone in the administration to have the same view or at least give that appearance.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 06, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidThey should have just let Biden's statement stand. This isn't one of those issues where you would expect everyone in the administration to have the same view or at least give that appearance.



    I agree. It was a baby step, but at least it was a step in the right direction. It's kind of amazing how quickly that David Axelrod started the back-pedaling
  • Import

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    May 06, 2012 11:55 PM GMT
    Being that this is a re-election year, he cannot endorse gay-marriage.

    perhaps next year
  • waccamatt

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    May 07, 2012 12:23 AM GMT
    The first order of business is getting Obama re-elected because of the possibility that several Supreme Court Justices could retire in the next few years. I am very much in favor of the legalization of marriage rights in all 50 states, but we have to get bama re-elected first and foremost. Like with interracial marriage, it will most likely be the Supreme Court that makes our marriages legal in every state and not the Legislative or Executive Branches of government. Patience, grasshoppers.
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    May 07, 2012 12:25 AM GMT
    ^^ SB: one more time: having a supermajority is meaningless. Having 60 votes in the Senate (which they most certainly did not have on gay marriage) is what matters.

    As to the Biden walkback ... I really wish the Obama Administration would stop cowering at the feet of the religious right. They don't like him and they are not going to vote for him.

    One more example of how he has been wholly uninspiring as a leader. This Democrat is unimpressed.
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    May 07, 2012 12:27 AM GMT
    Import saidBeing that this is a re-election year, he cannot endorse gay-marriage.

    perhaps next year


    If I recall correctly, last year wasn't an election year.

    Whither the endorsement then?
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    May 07, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidThe Democrats won't give gays "marriage" on the Federal level any time soon (think not before 2020 at the earliest, if ever).


    Um...the Republicans won't give gays "marriage" ever.

    2020 is better than never, just a little FYI.
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    May 07, 2012 12:31 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis is just strange --- such mixed signals --- It's like 2 steps forward, one step back. If the Democrats are suppose to be the open-minded party when it comes to gay rights, why the quick back-pedaling? What are they afraid of?icon_confused.gif



    You know very well what they're afraid of.....the Religious Right! If you're paying attention, it's obvious they're in favor of gay marriage but just can't speak those words without risking votes.
  • Hunter9

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    May 07, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    So you'll all keep voting for Democrats, because you buy into the con.


    Democrats could go right out and say that they are AGAINST gay rights of any kind and I'd still take their policies over republican ones.
  • Hunter9

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    May 07, 2012 12:35 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis is just strange --- such mixed signals --- It's like 2 steps forward, one step back. If the Democrats are suppose to be the open-minded party when it comes to gay rights, why the quick back-pedaling? What are they afraid of?icon_confused.gif


    they are afraid of losing the election, silly... being in support of gay marriages does not result in net positive votes

    they need to do whatever they need to do to make sure the election is won. 4 more years leading foreign policy, placing supreme court justices, and supporting regulatory policies far trumps temporary gay marriage support
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    May 07, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
    Romney can't even have a gay person in his administration, because of the nature of partisan politics. The Obama Administration had to walk back Biden's statement to prevent damage to his re-election bid. Not exactly the change I signed on for. Maybe we can actually get a little change if he gets a 2nd term. UGH!
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    May 07, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    Caslon19000 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis is just strange --- such mixed signals --- It's like 2 steps forward, one step back. If the Democrats are suppose to be the open-minded party when it comes to gay rights, why the quick back-pedaling? What are they afraid of?icon_confused.gif

    Obama is an intrinsic homophobe.

    I don't agree. I just think we don't matter to him one way or the other, which has the same effect.

    That could be.
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    May 07, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
    so basically separate but different? whats wrong with this black guy
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    May 07, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    TroyAthlete said
    southbeach1500 saidThe Democrats won't give gays "marriage" on the Federal level any time soon (think not before 2020 at the earliest, if ever).


    Um...the Republicans won't give gays "marriage" ever.

    2020 is better than never, just a little FYI.


    What's better? Being lied to over and over again or being told the truth?


    Oh holy shit! What a fucking absurd apologist comment! That's like asking which is better, turning a blind eye to police brutality or being sent directly to the gas chambers. What a fucking bunch of neocon rhetoric. Accept your self-loathing refusal to condemn the republicans for the sake of your real estate values and grow the fuck up!
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    May 07, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    MuscleComeBack said
    southbeach1500 said
    TroyAthlete said
    southbeach1500 saidThe Democrats won't give gays "marriage" on the Federal level any time soon (think not before 2020 at the earliest, if ever).


    Um...the Republicans won't give gays "marriage" ever.

    2020 is better than never, just a little FYI.


    What's better? Being lied to over and over again or being told the truth?


    Oh holy shit! What a fucking absurd apologist comment! That's like asking which is better, turning a blind eye to police brutality or being sent directly to the gas chambers. What a fucking bunch of neocon rhetoric. Accept your self-loathing refusal to condemn the republicans for the sake of your real estate values and grow the fuck up!


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  • Little_Spoon

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    May 07, 2012 1:41 AM GMT
    Quit playing games with my heart
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    May 07, 2012 1:53 AM GMT
    As irritating as his slow evolution is, does anyone think he may be stalling until after the election? He doesn't want to risk gay marriage becoming a wedge issue before the election, then he will fully "evolve" after November.

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    May 07, 2012 1:56 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidWell, at least Mitt Romney and the republicans are completely clear, they will always support marriage for gays.


    It's funny you say this, because the Bush administration and the Obama administration are now in the exact same position. The president against gay marriage and the vice president publicly for it...

    Except that Cheney didn't have spokespeople nuance his position.
  • waccamatt

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    May 07, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
    n8698u saidAs irritating as his slow evolution is, does anyone think he may be stalling until after the election? He doesn't want to risk gay marriage becoming a wedge issue before the election, then he will fully "evolve" after November.

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    Yes, that is exactly what's happening. Also, the President can't make marriage equality a reality as long as it is something that is regulated at the state level. I look to Loving vs. Virginia and see the Supreme Court as the only way the most conservative states will be required to marry all people.
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    May 07, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    MuscleComeBack said
    southbeach1500 said
    TroyAthlete said
    southbeach1500 saidThe Democrats won't give gays "marriage" on the Federal level any time soon (think not before 2020 at the earliest, if ever).


    Um...the Republicans won't give gays "marriage" ever.

    2020 is better than never, just a little FYI.


    What's better? Being lied to over and over again or being told the truth?


    Oh holy shit! What a fucking absurd apologist comment! That's like asking which is better, turning a blind eye to police brutality or being sent directly to the gas chambers. What a fucking bunch of neocon rhetoric. Accept your self-loathing refusal to condemn the republicans for the sake of your real estate values and grow the fuck up!


    There we go again... "self-loathing" huh? You think your point is so weak that you have to support it with personal attacks on me to somehow make it stronger?


    No, I think you are constantly blaming the democrats for the failures of the republicans and still insisting the right has a better solution. They don't. I think Obama is a ball-less capitulating centrist coward. You refuse to call out the injustice or stupididty of a single republican concept. You are a party loyalist to the detriment of your own human rights and self-worth, it speaks volumes about your character. It's no longer simply annoying, it's nauseating!
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    May 07, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    waccamatt said
    n8698u saidAs irritating as his slow evolution is, does anyone think he may be stalling until after the election? He doesn't want to risk gay marriage becoming a wedge issue before the election, then he will fully "evolve" after November.

    icon_question.gif


    Yes, that is exactly what's happening. Also, the President can't make marriage equality a reality as long as it is something that is regulated at the state level. I look to Loving vs. Virginia and see the Supreme Court as the only way the most conservative states will be required to marry all people.


    Loving vs Virginia will be a turning point, but this administration will never side with us. In a lame duck term the Dems will be even MORE reluctant and the republican thugs who are owned by their congregations before their constituents will put up every ugly moral argument since Scopes to block all progress. The Courts may clear the way, but they'll be demonized in the wake of it, and I guarantee Obama will not evolve and openly support real equality.