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    May 07, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    Ok guys...so to lose weight and lean out while also building muscle I am doing a high protein low carb diet, tons of cardio and lots of weight training, legs, chest, arms, back, core. Is this diet a good idea. Is starving yourself right or is the 6 small meals better than not eating or eating very little? Do guys with 6 packs starve themselves or eat regularly? Alcohol & sugar is so fattening!
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    May 07, 2012 1:13 PM GMT
    Lol, u terds haha thought so yeah I have a nutritionist & used to have a trainer on my staff ... icon_lol.gif
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    May 07, 2012 1:19 PM GMT



    i was not trying to be sarcastic..
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    May 07, 2012 1:28 PM GMT
    GayBtm83 saidOk guys...so to lose weight and lean out while also building muscle I am doing a high protein low carb diet, tons of cardio and lots of weight training, legs, chest, arms, back, core. Is this diet a good idea. Is starving yourself right or is the 6 small meals better than not eating or eating very little? Do guys with 6 packs starve themselves or eat regularly? Alcohol & sugar is so fattening!


    yes dump the alcohol and sugar! For bulking I eat four to five medium to large meals per day...all clean food 90% of the time. By clean food I mean: chicken breats, brown rice, wheat pasta, lean steak, oatmeal made with milk, wheat pancakes, cream of wheat, eggs, grits, plus fruits, veggies, salads, almonds, etc. Many guys will stuff anything in their bodies they can during bulking but in my experience this is a generally useless undertaking since you wind up wiht more fat you have to cut for the relatively little muscle gain it buys you.

    For cutting I eat every three hours, smaller meals: oatmeal made with water, egg whties plus one egg, chicken breast, fish, brown rice, sweet potato.

    Nothing is fried, it is all grilled or baked, and no sigar is topped on the oatmeal or sweet potato during cutting (cinnamon instead), and I usually soak the chicken breasts in Teriyaki marinade.

    Do NOT starve yourself; this actually slows your metbaolism down. Eat more throughout the day and it wil increase your metbolism. I only do the cutting diet pre contest. It is dull, requires a great deal of discipline even with the occasional cheat day in there, and isn't the most healthy thing to do long term.

    Do I still ahve dessert? Yes, but not constantly and not huge ones. I will often go get a desssert shot or two at Logan's or Olive Garden (they are the only places I've foudn that have them) or I will ahve a slice of cheese cake. Ditto that for the cheeseburger and fried chicken. Once in while is fine. Weekly or more = not fine. It's all about moderation. I don't drink at all, but that's me.
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    May 07, 2012 4:54 PM GMT
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    i was not trying to be sarcastic..


    ok, i'm still kinda confused...what are you telling me here? i dont wanna "assume" anything lol but from i think ur tryin to tell me that the answer is more plastic surgery? lol or what are you telling me? dont eat?
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    May 07, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    Muscledhorse gave you a pretty good description of a proper diet. If you are looking to burn fat follow his cutting suggestions. You don't need to starve to get a six pack. In fact fuck a six pack, shoot for an eight pack. AWWWWW YEAHHHHHHH
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    May 07, 2012 5:33 PM GMT
    Muscledhorse is on the money. Three months ago I changed my diet and lifting regimen because I wanted to get leaner. I've gotten good results, so I'll share what I've been doing.

    I've virtually eliminated processed foods from my diet. No pasta, no wheat thins, no tortilla chips, no cream of wheat. I abide by a simple rule: it must come directly from the ground or from an animal.

    Here's how the rule plays out:

    1. CARBS - I stick to quinoa, brown rice, sweet potatoes. The only exception is cold cereal in the morning. I hate oatmeal, so I have a small bowl of cereal flakes in the morning. (I stick to stuff that is high in fiber, high in protein, and low in sugar).

    2. PROTEIN: I stick to eggs, chicken (I don't like white meat, so I stick to thighs and drum sticks), lamb, fish (salmon is my favorite), and turkey. I avoid beef because my body doesn't process it well. It's just not good for me.

    3. VEGETABLES: I swear by mushrooms and collard greens. Mushrooms are high in fiber and protein yet low in calories. So, they fill you up. Collard greens, unbeknownst to many people, provide more nutrients than broccoli, spinach, or almost any other green vegetable. You get loads of vitamin A, fiber, and a bunch of other great stuff. Collard greens are also cheap, so you can eat a lot without making a dent in your bank account. I also love red bell peppers. They provide lycopene, which is the awesome nutrient for which tomatoes are famous. Because I'm not a big tomato fan, I eat lots of red bell peppers. Unfortunately, red bell peppers are expensive. But they're worth it.

    4. NUTS: Almonds and cashews are great. Almonds are rich in fiber, minerals, and vitamin E, which is great for your skin. Cashews are almost as nutritious. And they taste so good!

    5. FRUITS: I don't eat fruit--something about the consistency and sweetness. But I do like dried fruit, so I'll eat raisins once in a while.


    I enjoy my new natural diet because I love cooking. Each day I try to have as many different colors on my plate. Having an assortment of colors assures me that I'm getting all the vitamins and minerals that I need. What's more, these meals taste incredible. I'm a sucker for flavor, so I use coriander, red bell pepper flakes, ginger, jalapenos, rosemary, and other herbs and spices to season my food. My preferred methods of cooking are sauteing (for vegetables) and grilling (for poultry, meats, and fish).
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    May 07, 2012 5:40 PM GMT
    GayBtm83 saidOk guys...so to lose weight and lean out while also building muscle I am doing a high protein low carb diet, tons of cardio and lots of weight training, legs, chest, arms, back, core. Is this diet a good idea. Is starving yourself right or is the 6 small meals better than not eating or eating very little? Do guys with 6 packs starve themselves or eat regularly? Alcohol & sugar is so fattening!


    When you say 'high protein low carb' what do you mean? Are you still eating fruits, vegetables and whole grains? Are you just cutting out sweetened beverages, candies, baked goods?

    Don't starve. Eat every few hours. Your muscles store carbohydrate, so they will shrink if you don't eat carbohydrate due to water and carb loss.

    Unfortunately, when I say "carbohydrate," that doesn't mean the same thing to you as it would to a scientist or dietitian.
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    May 07, 2012 5:42 PM GMT
    Try eating strict Paleo for a few months. Everyone that I've known who eats Paleo says that the weight falls off effortlessly. In fact, I have to force myself to eat to keep from losing too much weight. For me, that's a first.
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    May 07, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
    solaguy saidTry eating strict Paleo for a few months. Everyone that I've known who eats Paleo says that the weight falls off effortlessly. In fact, I have to force myself to eat to keep from losing too much weight. For me, that's a first.


    The paleo diet isn't the stupidest fad diet--ie it has some good points. However it unscientifically claims beans and whole grains are bad and meat is good, which is contrary to the current scientific community consensus.

    We also lack evidence of how people ate back then. We have conjecture.

    Also, people ambulate/move less/exercise less than they did then.
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    May 07, 2012 6:33 PM GMT
    bluey2223 said:Unfortunately, when I say "carbohydrate," that doesn't mean the same thing to you as it would to a scientist or dietitian.


    What is a scientist's carbohydrate ?

    I hope it isnt one of those snooty Massachussetts polysaccharides that thinks its all special because prepped at Dalton and then went on a pile of degrees from Cornell and few extra carbon bonds.
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    May 07, 2012 6:38 PM GMT
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    solaguy saidTry eating strict Paleo for a few months. Everyone that I've known who eats Paleo says that the weight falls off effortlessly. In fact, I have to force myself to eat to keep from losing too much weight. For me, that's a first.


    The paleo diet isn't the stupidest fad diet--ie it has some good points. However it unscientifically claims beans and whole grains are bad and meat is good, which is contrary to the current scientific community consensus.

    We also lack evidence of how people ate back then. We have conjecture.

    Also, people ambulate/move less/exercise less than they did then.


    Agreed. Whenever people ask me about changing their diets in order to lose weight, I always say, "Remember also to eat to maintain good health." Beans are one of the best foods out there. I'd run away from any diet to prohibits eating them in order to lose weight. Besides, beans are high in fiber, vitamins, and minerals. Fiber helps peel the fat off. Vitamins and minerals make our physiology work properly.
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    May 07, 2012 6:40 PM GMT
    GayBtm83 saidIs starving yourself right or is the 6 small meals better than not eating or eating very little?


    Why would you starve yourself when your muscles need the nutrition?
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    May 07, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    Starving is not a diet. And paleo works! Read the book Wheat Belly -- grains/wheat is bad! There are no quick fixes... The bulk of your physical fitness goals starts at the kitchen.
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    May 07, 2012 7:11 PM GMT
    Guys, this is a really helpful thread!

    I recently started one of the 12 day programs on here (Strong and Lean) and am on Week 4. I've really enjoyed the structure that it has given to my workouts. Do you know of anything that has more written information or meal ideas that follow these tips so I can get a similar structure to starting better eating habits?
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    May 07, 2012 7:19 PM GMT
    And I found the meal plans... Spoke too soon!

    But anything that is a little less specific than "Eat 3/4 cup of this" would be helpful!
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    May 07, 2012 7:22 PM GMT
    mattrNYC saidGuys, this is a really helpful thread!

    I recently started one of the 12 day programs on here (Strong and Lean) and am on Week 4. I've really enjoyed the structure that it has given to my workouts. Do you know of anything that has more written information or meal ideas that follow these tips so I can get a similar structure to starting better eating habits?


    Try listening to robbwolff.com podcast -- informative n funny. Also read his website. Or try whole30.com as well.

    Read,
    good callories bad calories
    Why we get fat
    Paleo solution
    Wheat belly
    Paleo diet for athletes

    Cheers
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    May 07, 2012 7:25 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]mattrNYC said[/cite]And I found the meal plans... Spoke too soon!

    But anything that is a little less specific than "Eat 3/4 cup of this" would be helpful![/quote


    Follow zone diet portions if you need to measure your food. Checkout zone diet website... Convert your macronutrients into blocks.

    I just eat until I am FULL. I know I never eat enough daily.
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    May 07, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
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    i was not trying to be sarcastic..


    ok, i'm still kinda confused...what are you telling me here? i dont wanna "assume" anything lol but from i think ur tryin to tell me that the answer is more plastic surgery? lol or what are you telling me? dont eat?



    NO! i am sorry about that...work hard and Sacrifices...did you listen what Mario told him? when he asked him how he can get this body?

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    May 07, 2012 8:21 PM GMT
    bluey2223 said

    The paleo diet isn't the stupidest fad diet--ie it has some good points. However it unscientifically claims beans and whole grains are bad and meat is good, which is contrary to the current scientific community consensus.



    Claiming beans and whole grains to be bad and meat to be good is definitely contrary to current scientific community consensus. However, the argument is not completely unfounded scientifically.

    For a thorough re-analysis of the data from the dietary medical literature of the past several decades, check out the book "Good Calories Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. Essentially, he traces back every major dietary paradigm shift that the medical/scientific community underwent in the past several decades; and he re-examines the data from which medical "consensus" was supposedly created. Long story short, the data does not strongly support the dietary paradigms that were established (and still persist today) on matters of the Lipid Hypothesis as it relates to heart disease and fat/carbohydrate consumption as it relates to obesity.

    I wouldn't completely dismiss the Paleo Diet simply because it IS a fad diet. I do, however, get annoyed when Paleo people get preachy to the point of sounding like self-righteous vegans. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 07, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
    solaguy saidTry eating strict Paleo for a few months. Everyone that I've known who eats Paleo says that the weight falls off effortlessly. In fact, I have to force myself to eat to keep from losing too much weight. For me, that's a first.


    I agree with this assessment. After trying many different things, Paleo has been pretty effortless. I think the thing that turns people off is the Ancestral Diet part of it. If you ignore the Caveman part, the diet makes a lot of sense. Wheat, dairy and legumes are all recent additions to man's diet with the advent of the agricultural revolution and they're not items we're built to easily digest. Some people have a better time than others, so like all things, some people's reactions are going to be better than others. A lot of my digestive problems that I had for many years are gone after being on Paleo (IBS, acid reflux).

    Dairy is actually considered Paleo borderline foods that one can include in one's diet if one is meeting their fitness goals, and there are differing arguments about the true "dangers" of legumes. But wheat really is the NONO food of Paleo, but even if you disagree that wheat itself is not dangerous, there's also no reason to include it in one's diet. Wheat offers very little nutritional value and you can get your fiber from other whole vegetable sources. I'm pretty sure the elimination of wheat is what has allowed me to lose the most weight and fix some of my digestive issues.

    There are quite a number of nutritional experts and molecular biologists that provide quite a good deal of scientific information supporting Paleo, despite what the common nutritional mindset in the community is. Robb Wolf is the obvious Paleo expert, but do a search for Mat Lalonde. He's a molecular biologist that has done a lot of research on ancestral diets. And he's pretty hot.

    Also the absolute best thing about Paleo is that it advocates a healthy amount of fat in the diet, so things like bacon and sausage are back on the menu.
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    May 08, 2012 1:01 AM GMT
    solaguy saidTry eating strict Paleo for a few months. Everyone that I've known who eats Paleo says that the weight falls off effortlessly. In fact, I have to force myself to eat to keep from losing too much weight. For me, that's a first.


    Paleo Solution, plastic surgeon put me on that...it works but I got tired of eating the same foods, went back to dietician for the one I'm on now.
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    May 08, 2012 1:07 AM GMT
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    GayBtm83 said
    Gymnast_Guy said


    i was not trying to be sarcastic..


    ok, i'm still kinda confused...what are you telling me here? i dont wanna "assume" anything lol but from i think ur tryin to tell me that the answer is more plastic surgery? lol or what are you telling me? dont eat?



    NO! i am sorry about that...work hard and Sacrifices...did you listen what Mario told him? when he asked him how he can get this body?



    yeah i get what you're sayin just a couple things, i dont wanna be at the gym 24/7, id rather do something else but i do go everyday almost. i <3 food but i guess i could try the protein shakes rather than eating 2 meals then have a light dinner and sugar is not in my diet unless i go outside the diet regime like a cheating day lol but i only cheat in moderation. usually, im only human lol. but yes, i get it thank you.
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    May 08, 2012 1:08 AM GMT
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    mattrNYC saidGuys, this is a really helpful thread!

    I recently started one of the 12 day programs on here (Strong and Lean) and am on Week 4. I've really enjoyed the structure that it has given to my workouts. Do you know of anything that has more written information or meal ideas that follow these tips so I can get a similar structure to starting better eating habits?


    Try listening to robbwolff.com podcast -- informative n funny. Also read his website. Or try whole30.com as well.

    Read,
    good callories bad calories
    Why we get fat
    Paleo solution
    Wheat belly
    Paleo diet for athletes

    Cheers


    thank you ;)
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    May 08, 2012 1:39 AM GMT
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    bluey2223 said:Unfortunately, when I say "carbohydrate," that doesn't mean the same thing to you as it would to a scientist or dietitian.


    What is a scientist's carbohydrate ?

    I hope it isnt one of those snooty Massachussetts polysaccharides that thinks its all special because prepped at Dalton and then went on a pile of degrees from Cornell and few extra carbon bonds.



    LMAFO...genius response dude! genius!!