Police Shoot, Kill Man After Pulling Him From Harbor; the cruise boat was a "gay pride day" excursion

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    Jul 21, 2008 6:52 AM GMT
    SAN DIEGO -- A man from Los Angeles was shot dead by San Diego Harbor Police after they plucked him out of San Diego Bay and he reportedly fought with officers and tried to grab an officer's pistol, authorities said.

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  • Tyinstl

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    Jul 21, 2008 7:40 AM GMT
    Sounds fishy.

    Pun definitely intended.
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    Jul 21, 2008 7:42 AM GMT
    Well there's more to that than meets the eye?
  • EricLA

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    Jul 21, 2008 8:06 AM GMT
    The victim was an adult film actor, apparently. Haven't looked him up though.
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    Jul 21, 2008 8:27 AM GMT
    Damn what an even greater loss!
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    Jul 21, 2008 8:41 AM GMT
    Not much to go on: Stephen Paul Hirschfield
  • Timbales

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    Jul 21, 2008 11:36 AM GMT
    I read the article, sounds pretty straightforward. Maybe he was high or drunk.
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    Jul 21, 2008 11:48 AM GMT
    How truly odd...I can make up dozens of different stories to explain this. Extreme intoxication is one of them. But straightforward is not a word I would use here.
  • in773guy

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    Jul 21, 2008 12:13 PM GMT
    Sounds like the idiot was on something....stupid ass for attacking the people who just rescue your ass.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 21, 2008 12:45 PM GMT
    Really sad outcome. I agree, it sounds like the dude was high or off on something...
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    Jul 21, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    Sounds Hinky to me as well! It's unfortunate that they had to use deadly force. Could be another case "Suicide by COP". There was a rash of those in the 90's. WOW!
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    Jul 21, 2008 3:10 PM GMT
    Speaking from a Cops point of view, the guy was shot and killed once he grabbed the other Cops taser. I'm not sure if anyone knows this but we are encourged to be shot with the taser prior to getting one. I took a shot. The theory behind this is that you will know what its like and you will know that it WILL incapacitate you. After being shot with the taser I can say without a doubt if anyone ever took mine from me, they would be shot, not questions asked. My number 1 goal when going to work is coming home, so I don't feel bad for that dumb ass.
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    Jul 21, 2008 3:32 PM GMT
    Eor36 saidSpeaking from a Cops point of view, the guy was shot and killed once he grabbed the other Cops taser. I'm not sure if anyone knows this but we are encourged to be shot with the taser prior to getting one. I took a shot. The theory behind this is that you will know what its like and you will know that it WILL incapacitate you. After being shot with the taser I can say without a doubt if anyone ever took mine from me, they would be shot, not questions asked. My number 1 goal when going to work is coming home, so I don't feel bad for that dumb ass.

    Well I agree to defend yourself but you are all a bit Trigger Happy in my mind. Maybe restrain him or shoot him in the leg or arm but to kill is a crime in itself!
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    Jul 21, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    TurkishDelight said
    Well I agree to defend yourself but you are all a bit Trigger Happy in my mind. Maybe restrain him or shoot him in the leg or arm but to kill is a crime in itself!


    I doubt the guy was holding still for a clear shot.
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    Jul 21, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    Ok how many cops were there? Hit the arsehole on the head
    maybe c'mon?
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    Jul 21, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    TurkishDelight saidOk how many cops were there? Hit the arsehole on the head
    maybe c'mon?


    they tasered the dude in the face and it didnt stop him.
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    Jul 21, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    Probably high... or a 'cop suicide'.

    Heck, he probably jumped from the boat in the first place.
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    Jul 21, 2008 5:01 PM GMT
    Well you know its hard to tell. I have a general distrust of the police force because I have had first hand experience with many of them, half just on a power trip. Come on I was put on the hood of four police cars on the summer of 06 just for being in a park at night with my friends in a very nice suburban area. And each time I was let go because of no priors and were weren't doing anything illegal!

    So why is this fishy could be like the actress who died on that boat with Christopher Walkin? that was really fishy too.
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    Jul 21, 2008 5:06 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREThe rescued man knocked one officer to the deck, injuring him, then took his Taser stun gun and hit him in the face with it, Franke said.


    He didn't get tasered in the face. He did it to the officer he knocked on the deck. He definitly deserved to have his ass beat for that but deadly force? Maybe. He was a threat and could have done further damage to the officer that was down.
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    Jul 21, 2008 5:09 PM GMT
    Sorry, my bad. I didn't see the next line.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREHirschfield then tried to take the officer's handgun, the policeman said.
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    Jul 21, 2008 5:12 PM GMT
    If you believe Cop's then you believe anything?

    Peter Pan exists and faeries and Father Christmas OK!
    Enough said!
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    Jul 21, 2008 5:23 PM GMT
    TurkishDelight saidIf you believe Cop's then you believe anything?

    Peter Pan exists and faeries and Father Christmas OK!
    Enough said!


    It's apparent you don't like cops or have no need for them. Good for you.

    Think about this;

    You and your best friend are walking down the road and someone jumps your friend and begins stabbing him with a knife.

    You see a knife laying on the ground and stab the assailant. When he doesn't stop stabbing your best friend will you not stab the guy again in order to save your friends life or will you just stand their and watch your friend die.

    If you say no, then with friends like you, who needs enemies.

    Sorry about being graphic but sometimes it gets the point across.
  • fryblock

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    Jul 21, 2008 5:32 PM GMT
    I got annoyed with the article because after each sentence it ended with "he said" or some variation of that.
  • Thirdbeach

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    Jul 21, 2008 5:34 PM GMT
    Did any one check? The Adult Film Actor who got shot, did he do the video with the Cop in Florida who lost his job?
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    Jul 21, 2008 5:35 PM GMT
    ItsMyLife saidSo why is this fishy could be like the actress who died on that boat with Christopher Walkin? that was really fishy too.


    That would be Natalie Wood. And, the police was not involved with that. Only Robert Wagner, her husband, and Walken know for sure. The district attorney and police investigated, however, and judged it an accident. Yes, it sounds far-fetched....but until we've read the police report, we'd have no evidence to back up the suspicion.

    As far as the Hirschfield incident goes, I tend to believe the police's version. I agree with in773guy that it sounds like he was on something, possible amphetamines. As you guys probably know, someone who is high on uppers can have mania, and tremendous strength. If the guy was a model or porn actor, he might have had an RJ type of build...and was really dangerous in that state. If he went for the cop's gun, sorry, it was self-defense on the part of the cop.

    I'd like to see evidence to the contrary, TurkishDelight, before you'd create a different sort of context, besides general skepticism.

    John