Indigenous men got homosexuality right... and modern men.... uhhh... lost?

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    May 08, 2012 9:31 AM GMT
    Has big Capitalism forced humanity into behaving like ... virus? consume, expand, and destroy their environment until there is no more and no more life? modern men are compartmentalized by technologies, cars, keyboards, iphones...and anti homosexuality in the most 'civilized cultures'... It's all wrong ... and doesn't have to be that way. The naturalists observe social animals and see a different culture, of bonding with primal senses. Wolves sniff, Monkeys and Penguin and some 500 other species bond homosexually... One human culture got it right: ...The Rites of passage:

    The Sambia tribe of New Guinea has rituals and rites of passage surrounding manhood which lasts several years and involves ejaculation through fellatio often several times a day. Semen is valued and masturbation is seen as a waste of semen and is therefore frowned upon even though frequent ejaculation is encouraged. The capacity and need to ejaculate is developed or nurtured for years from an early age but through fellatio so that it can be consumed rather than wasted. Semen is ingested for strength and is considered in the same line as mothers' milk...

    From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation
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    May 08, 2012 12:09 PM GMT
    Hahaha, you just want to jack off into some 15 years old's mouth icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 08, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
    Some of Kabbalah teaches that semen spilled outside of a vagina is taken by Lilith (more or less the she devil) to create demons upon the Earth.

    "She wanders about at night, vexing the sons of men and causing them to defile themselves" ~~the Zohar

    fair warning: gross

    http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/21/male-rites-of-passage-from-around-the-world/

    last chance to avert your eyes

    "The tribal elder in charge of the circumcision sits on top of the boy’s chest facing his penis. He pulls up the foreskin and twists it so it can be cut off. Two men take turns cutting away the foreskin with knives that they’ve imbued with magical qualities. The boy bites down on a boomerang as the operation takes place.

    When the circumcision is complete, the boy kneels on a shield that’s placed over the fire so the smoke can rise up and purify his wound.

    While the boy sits there dazed and in pain, the tribal elders tell him to open his mouth and swallow some “good meat” without chewing it. The “good meat” is actually the boy’s freshly removed foreskin. After he’s swallowed a piece of his own wiener, the boy is told that he has eaten “his own boy” and that it will now grow inside him and make him strong.
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    May 08, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    Wow. After reading your first paragraph, wasn't expecting *that* example of how a culture "got it right." I dig a lot of the indigenous mores regarding homosex, like Native American Two-Spirit traditions, but I don't think you're gonna pull many capitalist heart-strings with the whole "Pedophilia is healthy" argument.
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    May 08, 2012 8:39 PM GMT
    xybender said
    The Sambia tribe of New Guinea has rituals and rites of passage surrounding manhood which lasts several years and involves ejaculation through fellatio often several times a day. Semen is valued and masturbation is seen as a waste of semen and is therefore frowned upon even though frequent ejaculation is encouraged. The capacity and need to ejaculate is developed or nurtured for years from an early age but through fellatio so that it can be consumed rather than wasted. Semen is ingested for strength and is considered in the same line as mothers' milk...



    The Sambia tribe just gave me chubby.
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    May 08, 2012 8:48 PM GMT
    fuck that shit no way sorry
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    May 08, 2012 8:56 PM GMT
    xybender saidHas big Capitalism forced humanity into behaving like ... virus? consume, expand, and destroy their environment until there is no more and no more life? modern men are compartmentalized by technologies, cars, keyboards, iphones...and anti homosexuality in the most 'civilized cultures'... It's all wrong ... and doesn't have to be that way. The naturalists observe social animals and see a different culture, of bonding with primal senses. Wolves sniff, Monkeys and Penguin and some 500 other species bond homosexually... One human culture got it right: ...The Rites of passage:

    The Sambia tribe of New Guinea has rituals and rites of passage surrounding manhood which lasts several years and involves ejaculation through fellatio often several times a day. Semen is valued and masturbation is seen as a waste of semen and is therefore frowned upon even though frequent ejaculation is encouraged. The capacity and need to ejaculate is developed or nurtured for years from an early age but through fellatio so that it can be consumed rather than wasted. Semen is ingested for strength and is considered in the same line as mothers' milk...

    From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation


    It's all morally relative, in that non-cognitivist sort of way.
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    May 08, 2012 8:57 PM GMT
    xybenderComputers... Cars.. Iphone.. Destroying Environtment!............. Don't waste that semen, drink it!


    OP... Did you wake up on the wrong side of crazy this morning?
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    May 08, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    STOP FAPPING TO LITTLE KIDS YOU SICKO!
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    May 08, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
    There's a tribe in Papua New Guinea where heterosexuality is taboo, and people are encouraged to be homosexual...I don't know what the tribe is called though, but it was interesting to hear about that...
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    May 08, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
    Hey dude, no pedo lol
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    May 08, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
    No. The Ancient Egyptians got it right! They male bonding ceremonies! EVERYONE who could embalm their dead had a place in the afterlife, even homosexuals. The created the first pyramid-schemes, and one of their Pharaohs started monotheism. They're good all around... The Greeks are just as smart... don't get me started on them... 19c79 knows more about them then I do... but why you fapfapfapin to kids, bender? That doesn't fit anywhere nowadays. You aspire to be raped in a prison?
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    May 08, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    theantijock saidSome of Kabbalah teaches that semen spilled outside of a vagina is taken by Lilith (more or less the she devil) to create demons upon the Earth.

    "She wanders about at night, vexing the sons of men and causing them to defile themselves" ~~the Zohar

    fair warning: gross

    http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/21/male-rites-of-passage-from-around-the-world/

    last chance to avert your eyes

    "The tribal elder in charge of the circumcision sits on top of the boy’s chest facing his penis. He pulls up the foreskin and twists it so it can be cut off. Two men take turns cutting away the foreskin with knives that they’ve imbued with magical qualities. The boy bites down on a boomerang as the operation takes place.

    When the circumcision is complete, the boy kneels on a shield that’s placed over the fire so the smoke can rise up and purify his wound.

    While the boy sits there dazed and in pain, the tribal elders tell him to open his mouth and swallow some “good meat” without chewing it. The “good meat” is actually the boy’s freshly removed foreskin. After he’s swallowed a piece of his own wiener, the boy is told that he has eaten “his own boy” and that it will now grow inside him and make him strong.
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    that sh*t's &%^ked
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    May 09, 2012 6:24 AM GMT
    I hear, in the responses, internalized homophobia, ...'programmed' puritanical values, and anthropologically uninformed ..... Don't need to be judgmental as values are different in different cultures. Gay bonding is typical in the animal kingdom, monkeys have gay bonding to build trust.. Human is the only species that exhibits homophobia, and problems with deep affection / sensuality expression between hetero males in public or private (in the US) (Study by Kinsey shows people are not 'social' values - People's instincts are all over the places)

    No pedo intended ... just thinking from an anthropology viewpoint. By the way....In these cultures (and in Europe in the middle ages and before), 12 yr old is a mature person, capable of self preservation and having children, or they won't survive long..... Even now, consensual age is 12 in Mexico, Chile, Paraquay, and the Phillipines, 14 in the Netherlands, 16 in the UK, Canada, Washington state and some other states... see here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America
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    May 09, 2012 6:26 AM GMT
    Meh, I've already jacked off four times today. I'll re-read this thread when I'm more horny again.
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    May 09, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
    xybender said

    The Sambia tribe of New Guinea has rituals and rites of passage surrounding manhood which lasts several years and involves ejaculation through fellatio often several times a day. Semen is valued and masturbation is seen as a waste of semen and is therefore frowned upon even though frequent ejaculation is encouraged. The capacity and need to ejaculate is developed or nurtured for years from an early age but through fellatio so that it can be consumed rather than wasted. Semen is ingested for strength and is considered in the same line as mothers' milk...

    From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation


    I've seen a BBC documentary on that tribe, I can remember at least one boy who was pretty unhappy at being forced to perform blow jobs on the men!

    As a gay man,how would you feel about being forced to perform cunnilingus?
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    May 09, 2012 1:24 PM GMT
    xybender saidI hear, in the responses, internalized homophobia, ...'programmed' puritanical values, and anthropologically uninformed ..... Don't need to be judgmental as values are different in different cultures. Gay bonding is typical in the animal kingdom, monkeys have gay bonding to build trust.. Human is the only species that exhibits homophobia, and problems with deep affection / sensuality expression between hetero males in public or private (in the US) (Study by Kinsey shows people are not 'social' values - People's instincts are all over the places)

    No pedo intended ... just thinking from an anthropology viewpoint. By the way....In these cultures (and in Europe in the middle ages and before), 12 yr old is a mature person, capable of self preservation and having children, or they won't survive long..... Even now, consensual age is 12 in Mexico, Chile, Paraquay, and the Phillipines, 14 in the Netherlands, 16 in the UK, Canada, Washington state and some other states... see here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America


    I don't know that that second paragraph is helping your "I'm not a pedo" case.
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    May 09, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    pat33rob said
    theantijock said...fair warning: gross....


    that sh*t's &%^ked


    Sorry about that, but I did offer fair warning.

    To the OP, I was a bit taken aback by the course your thread took. The only reference to youth I read in your op was "from an early age" which could have meant an early age of responsible consent or just about anything. I don't know how pedo was read into it (I thought the first response was just joking and I think sometimes that sets the tone), though I guess you got pulled in too by your last post, at least in feeling you had to defend yourself and though you presented your defense informatively.

    While I think some of your observation of gay expression in animals but of no homophobia (I assume, as far as we think we've observed) in animals, and how traditions of human tribes less changed by modernity, express acceptance of homosexuality (even if those expressions strike our modern gay eyes as perverted), and while I think I can see where you are going with the notion of compartmentalization as opposed, I presume but you did not mention, to integration, I'm not sure I get how you seem to denounce capitalism for causing homophobia.

    Are you saying that homophobia enhances profit taking? Is there some benefit to capitalism? Are you saying that capitalism reinforces homophobia? Was any reinforcement required? Did homophobia arise out of capitalism or was it there long before? I could see the argument that homosexuality was used as a fear factor to control religious congregations, but as a control mechanism of capitalism? Marky Mark? So I think I get your anthopological dig, I'm just not sure where some of the dust is blowing.
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    May 09, 2012 1:30 PM GMT
    kew1 saidAs a gay man,how would you feel about being forced to perform cunnilingus?


    Pussy for breakfast? Awesome! SlurrrrrrpppppPPP!
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    May 09, 2012 10:21 PM GMT
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    theantijock said .......... and while I think I can see where you are going with the notion of compartmentalization as opposed, I presume but you did not mention, to integration, I'm not sure I get how you seem to denounce capitalism for causing homophobia.

    Are you saying that homophobia enhances profit taking? Is there some benefit to capitalism? Are you saying that capitalism reinforces homophobia? Was any reinforcement required? Did homophobia arise out of capitalism or was it there long before? I could see the argument that homosexuality was used as a fear factor to control religious congregations, but as a control mechanism of capitalism? Marky Mark? So I think I get your anthopological dig, I'm just not sure where some of the dust is blowing.


    Capitalism and Super Capitalism (Previous Secretary of Labor Robert Reich's book) is a newer invention of the human species as they expand in population. There is no need for profit if there is no scarcity of goods, food, etc.

    Population growth (fuel by hetero), is, in my humble opinion, the only anthropological cause of homophobia. Heteros have the need for growing wealth to better off their children. Imagine a world where there is no population growth, all of current problems in the world including organized wars will be obsolete. The hunger gatherer period was called: "an age of wealth".

    Homophobia is a by product of the family institution, complicated by religions (which also promote the population expansion and family institution), and capitalism which is the engine of expansion.

    Men who are Kinsey scale 1 and 2 are hetero males, yet they have incidental gay sex (scale 1) and enjoy seeking out gay sex (scale 2). It's the family institution, complicated by early-age programmed religious guilt and the desire to protect itself with wealth, that contributes greatly if not the cause of homophobia.
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    May 10, 2012 6:56 AM GMT
    JoyfullyRandom saidNo. The Ancient Egyptians got it right! They male bonding ceremonies! EVERYONE who could embalm their dead had a place in the afterlife, even homosexuals. The created the first pyramid-schemes, and one of their Pharaohs started monotheism. They're good all around... The Greeks are just as smart... don't get me started on them... 19c79 knows more about them then I do... but why you fapfapfapin to kids, bender? That doesn't fit anywhere nowadays. You aspire to be raped in a prison?


    Be cautious about speaking authoritatively on the "Egyptians" and their views on homosexuality. I will agree with you on one statement you said about the original "Egyptians" and that is that there were male bonding groups among them. But that's all we could actually say about that and them on this particular issue. Now the greeks were different, semen, sperm, ejaculation, masturbation, homosexuality, they were pretty clear on their views on these issues I think, lol. Epicureans among us, have a good time baby!