What it means to change your position on an issue

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    May 11, 2012 6:19 AM GMT
    If you are on the left you have evolved.

    If you are on the right you have flip-flopped.

    Courtesy of media lapdogs.
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    May 11, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    If you are in the middle you have been to one too many bathhouses.
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    May 11, 2012 12:30 PM GMT
    As governor of mass, Romney instituted a health care law indistinguishable from mr obama's. And also instituted same sex marriage.

    Flip flop? It's a u turn!!
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    May 11, 2012 12:37 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidAs governor of mass, Romney instituted a health care law indistinguishable from mr obama's. And also instituted same sex marriage.

    Flip flop? It's a u turn!!


    And the opposite of 'evolving'.
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    May 11, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    More "False Equivalency" Theater

    Obama was always supportive of gay rights in general, to speaking out about his support of marriage equality is a natural evolution of same.

    In 1994, Romney was going to be a bigger support of gay rights than Ted Kennedy and now doesn't even support civil unions. That's a flip flop.
  • nanidesukedo

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    May 11, 2012 1:07 PM GMT
    Remember... Conservatives don't believe in evolution...they are just being PC and nice.

    Also, Socal, remember Kerry? Yea...I think the media is plenty fair with the flip-flop name.
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    May 11, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidRemember... Conservatives don't believe in evolution...they are just being PC and nice.

    Also, Socal, remember Kerry? Yea...I think the media is plenty fair with the flip-flop name.

    Did the media (main broadcast networks and papers such as the NY Times) label Kerry a flip-flopper, or did they defend him???????
    Most conservatives I know believe in evolution. You can even see the process ongoing reading some posts on forums. icon_lol.gif
  • GQjock

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    May 11, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidIf you are on the left you have evolved.

    If you are on the right you have flip-flopped.

    Courtesy of media lapdogs.


    Errr .... SoCal do you even recall the term you used in the 2004 campaign against Bush?

    Where every second WORD from the right was flip-flop against John Kerry?

    So once again your complaints fall on republican tin ears
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    May 11, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/political-flip-flops-evolution-difference/story?id=16323217

    Political Flip-Flops vs. Evolution: Is There a Difference?

    We all know that President Obama believes in evolution.

    Specifically, he believes in the evolution of his positions on political issues, like gay marriage. Before he was a U.S. senator, Obama liked gay marriage. Then, when he ran for the Senate, he said gay marriage was wrong. As president, he claimed his views were "evolving" on it -- and finally, this week, after Vice President Joe Biden jumped the gun, Obama said he likes it again.

    Curiously, Obama's reversal was described in most places as the completion of his evolution, an unprecedented declaration -- not a flip-flop.

    "It was called a historic decision in most of the media," laughed Ari Fleischer, one of George W. Bush's press secretaries.

    So what's the difference between an evolution and a flip-flop?

    Go back eight years to the 2004 campaign between Bush and John Kerry. The Democratic candidate was hounded throughout the campaign for being a "flip-flopper," someone who changes his positions depending on how popular they are at the time.

    His most damning quote: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
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    "If the press agrees with your latest position, it's a historic decision, and they accept the definition of evolution," he said. "If the press doesn't like or is uncomfortable with that position, it's a flip-flop."
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    "Romney flip-flopped on abortion and gay rights, but so did Barack Obama," he said. "Romney changed positions in order to run for president. So did Barack Obama."
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    May 11, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    The whole thing does take away the Obama campaign's theme that Romney is a flip-flopper. The retort will be "they all do it."
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 11, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
    The reality is that ALL politicians --- ESPECIALLY those running for President, regardless of their party --- Flip-Flop on one issue or another. It's just what they do. So the whole "flip-flopping" argument is pretty ridiculous.
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    May 11, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality is that ALL politicians --- ESPECIALLY those running for President, regardless of their party --- Flip-Flop on one issue or another. It's just what they do. So the whole "flip-flopping" argument is pretty ridiculous.


    Yeah, but there's only one flip-flopper-in-chief.

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    As my grandma used to say, "He's got more faces than the Town Hall clock."
  • GQjock

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    May 11, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThe whole thing does take away the Obama campaign's theme that Romney is a flip-flopper. The retort will be "they all do it."


    Whoa Whoa Whoa .... Wait aa cotton pickin minute threr my man

    There IS a difference when you come around and change your position and say that your previous position was wrong and that you have come around to see that it is different

    But Romney makes believe he NEVER said those things

    HENCE ..... The Etch-a-Sketch

    Which By The Way was brought up by his own staff ... Not anyone else

    It's OK. To change your mind when you say that you changed your mind

    It's not OK to say what you said before never happened