New ad campaign starting - Who is really throwing Grandma over the cliff - From American Doctors 4 Truth - VIDEO

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    May 11, 2012 6:49 AM GMT
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  • nanidesukedo

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    May 11, 2012 1:10 PM GMT
    If you have to put 4truth at the end of your name...it's anything but... My experience in the healthcare system is the exact opposite. Every hospital ethicist and policy person who I've talked to where I work has stated that, while they don't think the new healthcare law is a godsend, that it is a huge step in the right direction and in providing more comprehensive health coverage to a large number of individuals..
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    May 11, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
    Do you think the Swift Boat guys just bought up every URL with "4truth" in it, to prepare for future misinformation campaigns?

    In any event, the Ryan budget - which Romney has praised - wouldn't just throw grandma off the cliff but then drive down the mountain and stomp on her dead body to be sure she's dead. icon_rolleyes.gif

    What's hilarious is that John thinks a few videos are going to fool the American people. Good luck with that.
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    May 11, 2012 1:25 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidDo you think the Swift Boat guys just bought up every URL with "4truth" in it, to prepare for future misinformation campaigns?

    In any event, the Ryan budget - which Romney has praised - wouldn't just throw grandma off the cliff but then drive down the mountain and stomp on her dead body to be sure she's dead. icon_rolleyes.gif

    What's hilarious is that John thinks a few videos are going to fool the American people. Good luck with that.


    The country is currently taking the appropriate steps (albeit rather slowly) to lower healthcare costs in medicare and medicaid.

    A very small number of individuals (about 20%) account for the majority of the cost in each program (about 80%). These tend to be individuals with 4-5+ chronic conditions and large amount of social and educational walls that prevent them from properly caring for themselves, which leads to more frequent hospitalizations, progression of disease, and astronomic costs.

    The patient centered medical home model, which is becoming more popular throughout the country, uses a multi-disciplinary team which includes, most importantly, social workers, to try to deal with this issue. Some studies have found that a lot of the so called "repeat offenders" can have their hospital visits reduced by 50-75% with appropriate social work intervention.

    Where the Republicans have gone overboard and used a term that pisses off hospital ethicists is with "death panels." Costs of healthcare skyrocket at the end of life (ICU stays, etc). However, most of the time, these costs not only do not prolong life, they lead to lower quality of life. There is a huge effort being taken to institute programs at many major institutions that will educate patients on advanced directives. Some programs in some hospitals (instituted in some Oregon hospitals already) have been quite successful at reducing the skyrocketing costs associated with useless end of life care by discussing with patients their exact wishes as per advanced directives as well as what Quality of Life means to them. To Republicans, they call these death panels, because they don't understand that medicine has limits and, at some point, becomes futile and causes pain and suffering. In the end, costs are reduced heavily and patients are better able to enjoy their time with their families and, thanks to a little bit more medical education, aren't needlessly hooked up to medical interventions that do nothing but keep them a vegetable for a few more days or weeks. Hospice care and interventions like this work at reducing cost and increasing quality of life.

    Remember, when you don't like something, just attached a nasty name to it...like "death panels." Hospital ethics committees don't work like that...try again, Republicans.
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    May 11, 2012 1:32 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidIf you have to put 4truth at the end of your name...it's anything but... My experience in the healthcare system is the exact opposite. Every hospital ethicist and policy person who I've talked to where I work has stated that, while they don't think the new healthcare law is a godsend, that it is a huge step in the right direction and in providing more comprehensive health coverage to a large number of individuals..

    Every healthcare professional I know has the exact opposite view of those you have talked to. All agree reforms are needed, but not these.

    BTW - I don't recall the term Death Panel ever applied to hospital committees, but to a specific government panel. Spinning a bit? Doesn't everyone apply nasty terms to things they don't like? This one just happened to stick.
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    May 11, 2012 1:32 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidIf you have to put 4truth at the end of your name...it's anything but... My experience in the healthcare system is the exact opposite. Every hospital ethicist and policy person who I've talked to where I work has stated that, while they don't think the new healthcare law is a godsend, that it is a huge step in the right direction and in providing more comprehensive health coverage to a large number of individuals..

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    May 11, 2012 2:01 PM GMT
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    nanidesukedo saidIf you have to put 4truth at the end of your name...it's anything but... My experience in the healthcare system is the exact opposite. Every hospital ethicist and policy person who I've talked to where I work has stated that, while they don't think the new healthcare law is a godsend, that it is a huge step in the right direction and in providing more comprehensive health coverage to a large number of individuals..

    Every healthcare professional I know has the exact opposite view of those you have talked to. All agree reforms are needed, but not these.

    BTW - I don't recall the term Death Panel ever applied to hospital committees, but to a specific government panel. Spinning a bit? Doesn't everyone apply nasty terms to things they don't like? This one just happened to stick.


    I'll always be the first to say that I have learned and will continue to practice in the University Hospital setting. These hospitals are those that do the large majority of community outreach and are those that are often times considered the county hospital and serve a largely indigent and underserved population. There are those doctors who think that healthcare is a privilege and not a right and they do, I agree, oppose healthcare reform. However, where I work, individuals who believe in the treatment of all individuals do, in a large majority, favor heatlhcare reform.

    Death panels, while originally a term coined to describe government agencies, has fallen to any group of individuals who suggest that "heroic" or "aggressive" measures would be ineffective in altering the course of clinical illness. I have even had the team I worked on called a death panel before. Beyond that point, however, there does need to be government regulation protecting doctors and teams who, after careful consideration and consultation, determine that such "heroic" and "aggressive" measures are not in the best interest of the patient and will allow them to act appropriately. Now, there is such a strange balancing act between patients, their families, and doctors, that we see tragedies from overtreatment and aggressive care unfold constantly....even though the Dr. knows it's the wrong thing to do.
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    May 11, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
    "They came in their thousands, queuing through the night to secure one of the coveted wristbands offering entry into a strange parallel universe where medical care is a free and basic right and not an expensive luxury. Some of these Americans had walked miles simply to have their blood pressure checked, some had slept in their cars in the hope of getting an eye-test or a mammogram, others had brought their children for immunisations that could end up saving their life.

    'People come here who haven't seen a doctor for years. And we're able to say 'Hey, you have this, you have this, you have this', said Dr Vincent Anthony, a kidney specialist volunteering five days of his team's time. 'It's hard work, but incredibly rewarding. Healthcare needs reform, obviously.' "

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-brutal-truth-about-americarsquos-healthcare-1772580.html

    (The story dates from a few months after George W Bush left office.)
  • GQjock

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    May 11, 2012 2:23 PM GMT
    Funny what Swiftboat money can buy for you these days

    Priducers and actirs .... Good production value

    You need to send a thank you card to Justice Roberts et al for allowing them to dump this sh*t all over us in the coming election season

    Cause this is JUST the start

    And I approve this message

    Brought to you by the SickandTired 4Truth .... LOL. icon_biggrin.gif
  • musclmed

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    May 11, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    A bit dramatic. If it had more data it would be a worthy Ad. But Ad's need to be dramatic I guess.

    Also the doc's seemed to be overly botox'd
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    May 11, 2012 2:29 PM GMT
    musclmed saidA bit dramatic. If it had more data it would be a worthy Ad. But Ad's need to be dramatic I guess.

    Also the doc's seemed to be overly botox'd

    Probably make-up. Standard fare for productions.
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    May 11, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    If the ad had a message, it was lost somewhere in that over-acting, faux granny's, rat's nest of a wig.
    I take it Clint was busy when they called.