Hillary for VP

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    May 11, 2012 10:59 AM GMT
    Now that VP Biden has thrown a monkey wrench into the 2012 US Presidential election, elevating the gay marriage issue prematurely and likely to President Obama's disadvantage at the polls, should he be dropped from the ticket? Biden's always been a loose cannon, even in the US Senate.

    To counteract the Biden liability, I'd like to see Hillary Clinton become the Democratic VP candidate. With the ongoing Republican War on Women she'd be the natural choice to rally women to the Democratic ticket, and hopefully offset the votes Obama will lose over the gay marriage controversy.

    Knowing that Republicans are aware of how vulnerable they are on women's issues, I fully expect they will be looking for a female VP candidate themselves, just like they did in 2008 with Sarah Palin. Hillary would help to neutralize that tactic, as well as bring her own dynamic to the race. Your views?
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    May 11, 2012 12:08 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said1. This gay marriage thing is likely to work in Obama's favor, so why get all upset about Biden?
    2. Dumping Biden would suggest that Obama regretted his historic pronouncement, which would only serve to undercut him with the base without aiding him in any other way.
    3. Hillary isn't interested. I think she meant it when she said she's had enough.

    You may be correct on all 3 points. Nevertheless, I think Biden has been a bland VP, who only comes onto the radar screen when he fucks-up, a special talent he has, going back to his US Senate days. And maybe he's burnt out. I do believe he's done some useful work behind the scenes that we hear little about, but that's not what makes a great ticket for reelection.

    I suspect Hillary is really very interested. She says what is politic. Tired of being Secy of State I could believe, but moving closer to the WH? Her boost to the Obama ticket, especially after this gay flap which I still think will hurt him in November, may be what persuades her.
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    May 11, 2012 12:08 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said1. This gay marriage thing is likely to work in Obama's favor, so why get all upset about Biden?
    2. Dumping Biden would suggest that Obama regretted his historic pronouncement, which would only serve to undercut him with the base without aiding him in any other way.
    3. Hillary isn't interested. I think she meant it when she said she's had enough.



    agree.

    agree.

    and agree.
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    May 11, 2012 1:14 PM GMT
    IF true, and once again a big IF

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bill_blockbuster_an_amateur_XJHYdaV5LT1vpr5I39IKrN

    It truly sounds that Hillary, at least for now, is DONE. I do not blame her.

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    May 11, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
    I think Hillary has now gotten the foreign affairs creds she needs. I think she will will rest for 4 years. Distance herself from the Obama administration. And come back as pres in 2016.

    Or at least I hope so.
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    May 11, 2012 1:55 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidI think Hillary has now gotten the foreign affairs creds she needs. I think she will will rest for 4 years. Distance herself from the Obama administration. And come back as pres in 2016.

    Or at least I hope so.

    I disagree. A Romney incumbent Presidency in 2016 will be difficult to overcome. She would be better positioned to run as the VP. Plus I also worry about the damage a 4-year Romney Presidency would do to the US, whereas she could keep the Right Wingers & Teabaggers out of the White House, if she were on the 2012 ticket as VP.
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    May 11, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
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    Caslon19000 saidI think Hillary has now gotten the foreign affairs creds she needs. I think she will will rest for 4 years. Distance herself from the Obama administration. And come back as pres in 2016.

    Or at least I hope so.

    I disagree. A Romney incumbent Presidency in 2016 will be difficult to overcome. She would be better positioned to run as the VP. Plus I also worry about the damage a 4-year Romney Presidency would do to the US, whereas she could keep the Right Wingers & Teabaggers out of the White House, if she were on the 2012 ticket as VP.

    HAHAHAHA! Romney doesn't stand a chance.
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    May 11, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidI think Hillary has now gotten the foreign affairs creds she needs. I think she will will rest for 4 years. Distance herself from the Obama administration. And come back as pres in 2016.

    Or at least I hope so.


    She'll be what in 2016 ... around 64 or 65? That's still young enough.
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    May 11, 2012 2:41 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidNow that VP Biden has thrown a monkey wrench into the 2012 US Presidential election, elevating the gay marriage issue prematurely and likely to President Obama's disadvantage at the polls, should he be dropped from the ticket? Biden's always been a loose cannon, even in the US Senate.

    To counteract the Biden liability, I'd like to see Hillary Clinton become the Democratic VP candidate. With the ongoing Republican War on Women she'd be the natural choice to rally women to the Democratic ticket, and hopefully offset the votes Obama will lose over the gay marriage controversy.

    Knowing that Republicans are aware of how vulnerable they are on women's issues, I fully expect they will be looking for a female VP candidate themselves, just like they did in 2008 with Sarah Palin. Hillary would help to neutralize that tactic, as well as bring her own dynamic to the race. Your views?




    A) I don't believe for a second that Biden's revelation on his stance on Gay Marriage was an accident. I think it was all a pre-planned thing designed to look like a gaffe, thereby paving the way for Obama to come out of the "Gay Marriage" closet.

    B) I don't think Hillary Clinton wants to be V.P. All indications is that the woman is just plain "tired" and needs a break. God knows she deserves it, as she has been a fine Secretary of State.

    C) Don't think Obama's "Gay Marriage" announcement is really going to hurt or help him. It's getting a lot of press this week, but I think this will quickly fade and I don't think this announcement is really going to change the average voters opinion one way or the other on "Gay Marriage".

    D) I agree that Romney may well be looking for a woman, however I think there is only one woman he can choose that won't look like a "Sarah Palin-type" out of left field choice, and that would be Condoleeza Rice. I just think if he picks a woman, it cannot be a relative unknown, but rather someone that really brings something valuable to the ticket. Obviously, not everyone will agree with Conde Rice being a good choice, but I cannot think of any GOP woman who can bring the kind of name recognition, not to mention international experience that Rice has. Choosing Rice could be a huge game-changer, however it is also a gamble that could go either way for Romney.
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    May 11, 2012 2:45 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon19000 saidI think Hillary has now gotten the foreign affairs creds she needs. I think she will will rest for 4 years. Distance herself from the Obama administration. And come back as pres in 2016.

    Or at least I hope so.


    She'll be what in 2016 ... around 64 or 65? That's still young enough.



    She'll be 69 in November 2016. She was born on October 26, 1947
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    May 11, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
    EtchASketch / Brewer 2012!!
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    May 11, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidNow that VP Biden has thrown a monkey wrench into the 2012 US Presidential election, elevating the gay marriage issue prematurely and likely to President Obama's disadvantage at the polls, should he be dropped from the ticket? Biden's always been a loose cannon, even in the US Senate.

    To counteract the Biden liability, I'd like to see Hillary Clinton become the Democratic VP candidate. With the ongoing Republican War on Women she'd be the natural choice to rally women to the Democratic ticket, and hopefully offset the votes Obama will lose over the gay marriage controversy.

    Knowing that Republicans are aware of how vulnerable they are on women's issues, I fully expect they will be looking for a female VP candidate themselves, just like they did in 2008 with Sarah Palin. Hillary would help to neutralize that tactic, as well as bring her own dynamic to the race. Your views?




    A) I don't believe for a second that Biden's revelation on his stance on Gay Marriage was an accident. I think it was all a pre-planned thing designed to look like a gaffe, thereby paving the way for Obama to come out of the "Gay Marriage" closet.

    B) I don't think Hillary Clinton wants to be V.P. All indications is that the woman is just plain "tired" and needs a break. God knows she deserves it, as she has been a fine Secretary of State.

    C) Don't think Obama's "Gay Marriage" announcement is really going to hurt or help him. It's getting a lot of press this week, but I think this will quickly fade and I don't think this announcement is really going to change the average voters opinion one way or the other on "Gay Marriage".

    D) I agree that Romney may well be looking for a woman, however I think there is only one woman he can choose that won't look like a "Sarah Palin-type" out of left field choice, and that would be Condoleeza Rice. I just think if he picks a woman, it cannot be a relative unknown, but rather someone that really brings something valuable to the ticket. Obviously, not everyone will agree with Conde Rice being a good choice, but I cannot think of any GOP woman who can bring the kind of name recognition, not to mention international experience that Rice has.


    A) I really don't think it was an accident either. Biden is certainly gaffe prone enough that it could be made to look like an accident or an assident.

    D) the one area where Romney (or any ex governor for that matter, could use some bolstering) is foreign policy so it would be quite a coup if Romney could talk Condi into it, but I really think she’s nuts if she leaves her life where she is. You were in Cali long enough that I bet you’ve visited the Stanford campus
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    May 11, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    DalTX saidEtchASketch / Brewer 2012!!


    Silly Putty Obama or maybe Lava Lamp Obama. Any preference?
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    May 11, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    Caslon19000 saidI think Hillary has now gotten the foreign affairs creds she needs. I think she will will rest for 4 years. Distance herself from the Obama administration. And come back as pres in 2016.

    Or at least I hope so.


    She'll be what in 2016 ... around 64 or 65? That's still young enough.



    She'll be 69 in November 2016. She was born on October 26, 1947


    That would pretty much be her last chance. I really think she's sick of it all though.
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    May 11, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
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    She'll be 69 in November 2016. She was born on October 26, 1947


    That would pretty much be her last chance. I really think she's sick of it all though.



    In today's nasty political climate, it takes an enormous amount of energy to run for President. You have to really REALLY want it --- and I simply don't think she does anymore. She's exhausted. She's earned her retirement into private life. Besides, I just read on the cover of the "STAR" that she's dumping Bill and moving in with a woman...and it MUST be true, because it was right next to that story about Mitt Romney being a "Sadistic scissor-weilding teenage bully" who terrorized students at his prep school to the point that they all needed therapy through their entire adult life LOLOLOLOL icon_wink.gif
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    May 11, 2012 3:20 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    She'll be 69 in November 2016. She was born on October 26, 1947


    That would pretty much be her last chance. I really think she's sick of it all though.



    In today's nasty political climate, it takes an enormous amount of energy to run for President. You have to really REALLY want it --- and I simply don't think she does anymore. She's exhausted. She's earned her retirement into private life. Besides, I just read on the cover of the "STAR" that she's dumping Bill and moving in with a woman...and it MUST be true, because it was right next to that story about Mitt Romney being a "Sadistic scissor-weilding teenage bully" who terrorized students at his prep school to the point that they all needed therapy through their entire adult life LOLOLOLOL icon_wink.gif


    If that's all Romney did then we're lucky. The bullshit that whoever it was was in therapy all their adult life because of minor hazing is just that .... bullshit. If true, good God grow a pair. Everybody hazed and pranked back then. Doesn't excuse it, but happened. Lord knows, all the shit that I did that I can't remember. I do know that I was no angel icon_wink.gif and the crap that he did because this guy was gay is crap. Mitt is a little older than me and even in my day we didn't know what 'gay' was. We hadn't thought of that. That's why almost all the guys J/Oed with each other. They sure as he'll wouldn't have done that if they knew what 'gay' was.

    Well if they want to start on this high school shit, that's a two way street.
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    May 11, 2012 4:00 PM GMT
    The Hillary switcheroo will only occur if Obama hasn't opened a comfortable lead by the convention. No need to panic...yet.

    Obviously, she is the Democrats' Ace in the Hole. Don't think the Obama administration doesn't know it. The fact that Biden wants to be Secretary of State makes it just that much easier. If they need Hillary to bury the Romney the gay basher, they will.
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    May 11, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    CuriousJockAZ said Choosing Rice could be a huge game-changer, however it is also a gamble that could go either way for Romney.

    Vice-Presidents never add or subtract from a ticket. It's always wishful thinking.


    Sarah Palin, Dan Quayle, Admiral Stockdale, LBJ, and Harry Truman disagree.

    People should "always" avoid using the term "always" when talking about politics.
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    May 11, 2012 5:07 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    DalTX saidEtchASketch / Brewer 2012!!


    Silly Putty Obama or maybe Lava Lamp Obama. Any preference?



    Silly Putty over EtchASketch - all the way!
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    May 11, 2012 5:10 PM GMT
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    JPtheBITCH said
    CuriousJockAZ said Choosing Rice could be a huge game-changer, however it is also a gamble that could go either way for Romney.

    Vice-Presidents never add or subtract from a ticket. It's always wishful thinking.


    Sarah Palin, Dan Quayle, Admiral Stockdale, LBJ, and Harry Truman disagree.

    People should "always" avoid using the term "always" when talking about politics.


    3/5ths of always then
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    May 11, 2012 5:26 PM GMT
    "[Bill] Clinton's willingness to be a good soldier for the Obama campaign could end up paying political dividends for his wife, who is frequently talked about in party circles as a potential presidential candidate in 2016 despite her repeated denials. Hillary Clinton has benefited enormously from her partnership with Obama, with her popularity skyrocketing during her time in his Cabinet."
    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-clintons-deepen-political-policy-ties-122813587.html

    SoS Clinton will campaign 4 the current president. she will take a well-deserved brk, and return rested, popular, and ready 2 face ANY challengers.