Change My Mind: Does Opposing Gay Marriage Make You A Bigot?

  • metta

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    May 12, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    Change My Mind: Does Opposing Gay Marriage Make You A Bigot?


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    May 12, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
    metta8 saidChange My Mind: Does Opposing Gay Marriage Make You A Bigot?


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    fixed it for ya.
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    May 12, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    Thanks icon_smile.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 12, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    No it doesn't necessarily mean that you are a bigot. It means that you are ill informed on the topic of gay marriage.
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    May 12, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    Opposing gay marriage does make you a bigot. To deny someone a right that you have based on something that person can not change implies that a gay person is less of a human being and inferior. Sadly this means that some of my friends and family, the people I love, the people I like, are bigots. When Bill Clinton signed DOMA into law, he was a bigot. When Barrack Obama said he did not agree with same-sex marriage, he was a bigot. Mitt Romney, George Bush, Mitch McConnell, and John McCain are bigots. Bob Casey, Claire McCaskill, Debbie Stabenow, Steny Hoyer, Jim Clyburn, and Bill Nelson are all bigots. Pope Benedict is a bigot.

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    May 12, 2012 3:55 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidNo it doesn't necessarily mean that you are a bigot. It means that you are ill informed on the topic of gay marriage.



    Almost all bigotry, whether against a race, religion, or gays, is based on ignorance.
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    May 12, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    My take on it:

    Marriage should be legally available for all, *OR* it should not be a matter that the state takes interest in, other than to regulate divisions of property or assignment of child custody in divorces.

    Opposing one's own entry into marriage should be left to people as a personal choice, and the choice of religious organizations to refuse to celebrate or "bless" certain marriages which would conflict with that group's articles of faith should not be a litmus test of bigotry.

    Opposing the RIGHT of any two competent and consenting adults to marry, and operating in political spheres to withhold or prevent such adults from using that right would be, in my opinion, an act of bigotry.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 12, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    No, it does not make you a bigot. It does, however, make you closed-minded on the issue of marriage.
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    May 12, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    CuriousJockAZ saidNo, it does not make you a bigot. It does, however, make you closed-minded on the issue of marriage.

    You should have been a barber.



    But Mitt Scissorhands is so much better at that icon_wink.gif


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    May 12, 2012 4:11 PM GMT
    Some dictionary definitions:

    http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/bigot

    ♦ bigot n(oun)
    - a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp. on religion, politics, or race
    (C16: from Old French: name applied contemptuously to the Normans by the French, of obscure origin)

    ♦ bigoted adj
    English Collins Dictionary - English Definition


    Collins (Thesaurus)
    bigot
    dogmatist, fanatic, persecutor, sectarian, zealot



    Oxford English Dictionary
    Bigot
    A. (n.)
    1. A religious hypocrite; (also) a superstitious adherent of religion. Obs.

    2. a. A person considered to adhere unreasonably or obstinately to a particular religious belief, practice, etc.

    –b. In extended use: a fanatical adherent or believer; a person characterized by obstinate, intolerant, or strongly partisan beliefs.

    B. adj. (attrib.). Of or characteristic of a bigot; bigoted. Also fig. Now rare.
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    May 12, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    ▲ LGBT folks who do not leave room for any possible interpretation of thinking other than their own opinions.... may very well be "bigots" too.
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    May 12, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    Yes it does. Whether your an ill informed bigot, an ignorant bigot, or a closed-minded bigot, is a case by case matter.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 12, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    JPtheBITCH said
    CuriousJockAZ saidNo, it does not make you a bigot. It does, however, make you closed-minded on the issue of marriage.

    You should have been a barber.



    But Mitt Scissorhands is so much better at that icon_wink.gif


    roflmao.gif

    I did walk right into that one.





    Always a relief when we can NOT take any of this so damn seriously

    Hugs from AZ!
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    May 12, 2012 4:16 PM GMT
    yes it absolutely does opposing a human right makes you more then a bigot
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    May 12, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
    Can anyone reasonably argue at this point that those in opposition -- the people we see regularly featured on TV -- aren't bigoted to the point of utter self-parody?
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    May 12, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    Elusium saidCan anyone reasonably argue at this point that those in opposition -- the people we see regularly featured on TV -- aren't bigoted to the point of utter self-parody?



    Yes. Having a different opinion doesn't make one a bigot. Not thinking someone else is entitled to a different opinion, and belittling or shunning them for it, could probably qualify as "bigoted" behavior though.
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    May 12, 2012 4:51 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidMy take on it:

    Marriage should be legally available for all, *OR* it should not be a matter that the state takes interest in, other than to regulate divisions of property or assignment of child custody in divorces.

    Opposing one's own entry into marriage should be left to people as a personal choice, and the choice of religious organizations to refuse to celebrate or "bless" certain marriages which would conflict with that group's articles of faith should not be a litmus test of bigotry.

    Opposing the RIGHT of any two competent and consenting adults to marry, and operating in political spheres to withhold or prevent such adults from using that right would be, in my opinion, an act of bigotry.
    And there ya have it.. unfortunately the 'religious' and the bubbas are lacking (uneducated, stupid, et al) in civics to comprehend this.. therefore, it is up to the politicians (YEAH the GOP too) to FORCE that 'civic lesson' down the throats of the ignorants.
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    May 12, 2012 4:54 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    AlphaTrigger saidMy take on it:

    Marriage should be legally available for all, *OR* it should not be a matter that the state takes interest in, other than to regulate divisions of property or assignment of child custody in divorces.

    Opposing one's own entry into marriage should be left to people as a personal choice, and the choice of religious organizations to refuse to celebrate or "bless" certain marriages which would conflict with that group's articles of faith should not be a litmus test of bigotry.

    Opposing the RIGHT of any two competent and consenting adults to marry, and operating in political spheres to withhold or prevent such adults from using that right would be, in my opinion, an act of bigotry.
    And there ya have it.. unfortunately the 'religious' and the bubbas are lacking (uneducated, stupid, et al) in civics to comprehend this.. therefore, it is up to the politicians (YEAH the GOP too) to FORCE that 'civic lesson' down the throats of the ignorants.



    Ummmmm, yooo-hoooo, earth to "TropicalMark blah blah blah", that wasn't a civic lesson Alpha Trigger was giving, it was an opinion.
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    May 12, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidSome dictionary definitions:

    http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/bigot

    ♦ bigot n(oun)
    - a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp. on religion, politics, or race
    (C16: from Old French: name applied contemptuously to the Normans by the French, of obscure origin)

    ♦ bigoted adj
    English Collins Dictionary - English Definition


    Collins (Thesaurus)
    bigot
    dogmatist, fanatic, persecutor, sectarian, zealot



    Oxford English Dictionary
    Bigot
    A. (n.)
    1. A religious hypocrite; (also) a superstitious adherent of religion. Obs.

    2. a. A person considered to adhere unreasonably or obstinately to a particular religious belief, practice, etc.

    –b. In extended use: a fanatical adherent or believer; a person characterized by obstinate, intolerant, or strongly partisan beliefs.


    B. adj. (attrib.). Of or characteristic of a bigot; bigoted. Also fig. Now rare.
    I better not hear ONE member of the conservaposse deny they are a bigot.. and that goes for everyone else here to include myself.

    The answer to this thread is a resounding yes..

    There ARE no arguments against that. Period /thread


  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 12, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said I better not hear ONE member of the conservaposse deny they are a bigot..




    Ummmm, "TropicalMarkblah-blah-blah"....I am NOT a BIGOT!!!!! icon_lol.gif
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    May 12, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    AlphaTrigger saidMy take on it:

    Marriage should be legally available for all, *OR* it should not be a matter that the state takes interest in, other than to regulate divisions of property or assignment of child custody in divorces.

    Opposing one's own entry into marriage should be left to people as a personal choice, and the choice of religious organizations to refuse to celebrate or "bless" certain marriages which would conflict with that group's articles of faith should not be a litmus test of bigotry.

    Opposing the RIGHT of any two competent and consenting adults to marry, and operating in political spheres to withhold or prevent such adults from using that right would be, in my opinion, an act of bigotry.
    And there ya have it.. unfortunately the 'religious' and the bubbas are lacking (uneducated, stupid, et al) in civics to comprehend this.. therefore, it is up to the politicians (YEAH the GOP too) to FORCE that 'civic lesson' down the throats of the ignorants.



    Ummmmm, yooo-hoooo, earth to "TropicalMark blah blah blah", that wasn't a civic lesson Alpha Trigger was giving, it was an opinion.
    His OPINION is almost VERBATIM to the US Constitution regarding the legal protections equal for ALL American 'citizens'..

    DUH.. fortunately for Alpha, his 'opinion' is based on solid ground in constitutional law.. yours however is NOT.

    Sorry.
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    May 12, 2012 4:58 PM GMT
    "Yes. Having a different opinion doesn't make one a bigot. Not thinking someone else is entitled to a different opinion, and belittling or shunning them for it, could probably qualify as "bigoted" behavior though."

    You're welcome to wow me with something substantive, but all I'm hearing on the opposition's end is:

    1. Think of the children! Won't someone think of the children?!
    2. The definition is totally going to change! How many words do you expect us to remember?
    3. Marriage never changes; it must remain as it always was -- y'know, trading your daughter for cattle and several gourds of goat's milk to a local warlord.
    4. AIDS. And abortion. Think about it.
    5. There'll be more terrorist attacks.
    6. It's bad for the economy. Free Market!
    7. Civil Unions, maybe? Don't we all dream of be civilly...unioned? United?
    8. Adam & Eve...and ok, Lilith, but she was a lezzie bitch.
    9. It's gonna kill property values.
    10. Our lives are just like Chick Tracts -- all Conservatives are put-upon, victimized saints, and all Liberals are craven thugs. Who's side are you on?
    11. If John and Jake get married five states away, my husband will stop touching me and begin to watch True Blood!

    Yes, you're entitled to think all of the above. But can you really argue that any are a reasonable basis for having a second-class of citizenry? Does any of this maybe cross the line into complete hysteria?

    And why should I take even one of these seriously?
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    May 12, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
    Elusium said"Yes. Having a different opinion doesn't make one a bigot. Not thinking someone else is entitled to a different opinion, and belittling or shunning them for it, could probably qualify as "bigoted" behavior though."

    You're welcome to wow me with something substantive, but all I'm hearing on the opposition's end is:

    1. Think of the children! Won't someone think of the children?!
    2. The definition is totally going to change! How many words do you expect us to remember?
    3. Marriage never changes; it must remain as it always was -- y'know, trading your daughter for cattle and several gourds of goat's milk to a local warlord.
    4. AIDS. And abortion. Think about it.
    5. There'll be more terrorist attacks.
    6. It's bad for the economy. Free Market!
    7. Civil Unions, maybe? Don't we all dream of be civilly...unioned? United?
    8. Adam & Eve...and ok, Lilith, but she was a lezzie bitch.
    9. It's gonna kill property values.
    10. Our lives are just like Chick Tracts -- all Conservatives are put-upon, victimized saints, and all Liberals are craven thugs. Who's side are you on?
    11. If John and Jake get married five states away, my husband will stop touching me and begin to watch True Blood!

    Yes, you're entitled to think all of the above? But can you really argue that any are a reasonable basis for having a second-class of citizens? Does any of this maybe cross the line into complete hysteria?



    I'm so sorry you feel like a "2nd class citizen". Have you seen someone about this condition? Surely there is a pill you can take for that sort of thing. Maybe some breathing exercises would help icon_wink.gif
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    May 12, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    And that would be a total dodge.

    Thanks for playing. You get a pat on the head, and somewhere, Richard Grenell is with you.

    Ctrl+Alt+Del.

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    May 12, 2012 5:07 PM GMT
    I think it depends on your reasons for opposing gay marriage. What is your motivation behind your decision?

    If it's the same motivation as the crazy lady in the other thread, my answer is yes. If there are more intelligent arguments that are grounded in reality, then my answer is possibly no.