Top GOP Pollster Advises Republicans to Reverse Course on Gay Marriage Position

  • creature

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    May 12, 2012 12:46 PM GMT
    Jan van Lohuizen, a well-respected pollster among the GOP establishment, distributed a memo to "various leading Republican operatives, candidates and insiders."

    This is the GOP establishment talking to itself. And the Republican pollster who arguably knows more about the politics of the gay issue than anyone else (how else to explain the Ohio campaign of 2004?) is advising them in no uncertain terms that they need to evolve and fast, if they're not going to damage their brand for an entire generation:

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    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/top-gop-pollster-to-gop-reverse-on-gay-issues.html
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    May 12, 2012 1:00 PM GMT
    Thats interesting.. FROTHYMIXTURE has demanded that Romney "step up" and weaponize the issue of same-sex marriage.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/12/santorum-to-romney-step-up-and-use-potent-weapon-of-same-sex-marriage/
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    May 12, 2012 1:14 PM GMT
    This is the beginning of that Memorandum in a form that's easier to read:


    In view of this week’s news on the same sex marriage issue, here is a summary of recent survey findings on same sex marriage:

    1. Support for same sex marriage has been growing and in the last few years support has grown at an accelerated rate with no sign of slowing down. A review of public polling shows that up to 2009 support for gay marriage increased at a rate of 1% a year. Starting in 2010 the change in the level of support accelerated to 5% a year. The most recent public polling shows supporters of gay marriage outnumber opponents by a margin of roughly 10% (for instance: NBC / WSJ poll in February / March: support 49%, oppose 40%).

    2. The increase in support is taking place among all partisan groups. While more Democrats support gay marriage than Republicans, support levels among Republicans are increasing over time. The same is true of age: younger people support same sex marriage more often than older people, but the trends show that all age groups are rethinking their position.

    3. Polling conducted among Republicans show that majorities of Republicans and Republican leaning voters support extending basic legal protections to gays and lesbians. These include majority Republican support for:

    a. Protecting gays and lesbians against being fired for reasons of sexual orientation
    b. Protections against bullying and harassment
    c. Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
    d. Right to visit partners in hospitals
    e. Protecting partners against loss of home in case of severe medical emergencies or death
    f. Legal protection in some form for gay couples whether it be same sex marriage or domestic partnership (only 29% of Republicans oppose legal recognition in any form).

    Recommendation: A statement reflecting recent developments on this issue along the following lines:
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    May 12, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
    Here's the rest:

    “People who believe in equality under the law as a fundamental principle, as I do, will agree that this principle extends to gay and lesbian couples; gay and lesbian couples should not face discrimination and their relationship should be protected under the law. People who disagree on the fundamental nature of marriage can agree, at the same time, that gays and lesbians should receive essential rights and protections such as hospital visitation, adoption rights, and health and death benefits."

    Other thoughts / Q&A: Follow up to questions about affirmative action:

    “This is not about giving anyone extra protections or privileges, this is about making sure that everyone – regardless of sexual orientation – is provided the same protections against discrimination that you and I enjoy.”

    Why public attitudes might be changing:

    “As more people have become aware of friends and family members who are gay, attitudes have begun to shift at an accelerated pace. This is not about a generational shift in attitudes, this is about people changing their thinking as they recognize their friends and family members who are gay or lesbian.”

    Conservative fundamentals:

    “As people who promote personal responsibility, family values, commitment and stability, and emphasize freedom and limited government we have to recognize that freedom means freedom for everyone. This includes the freedom to decide how you live and to enter into relationships of your choosing, the freedom to live without excessive interference of the regulatory force of government.
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    May 12, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC saidThats interesting.. FROTHYMIXTURE has demanded that Romney "step up" and weaponize the issue of same-sex marriage.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/12/santorum-to-romney-step-up-and-use-potent-weapon-of-same-sex-marriage/


    Let's hope that Mittens takes FrothMonster's advice. RMoney doesn't need to voice anything else (especially not the economy or foreign policy) all the way to Election Day.

    Let's hope that the Right starts to view this Pol as a quack and a sell out (like Lugar, Hatch, Snow, et. al.)
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    May 12, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
    She's 100% right.
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    May 12, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC saidThats interesting.. FROTHYMIXTURE has demanded that Romney "step up" and weaponize the issue of same-sex marriage.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/12/santorum-to-romney-step-up-and-use-potent-weapon-of-same-sex-marriage/


    At Romney's commencement speech at Liberty University, founded by Evangelical Jerry Falwell, Romney did reiterate that marriage is between one man and one woman.

    He's pandering to the extremists, just like McCain did in 2008 with his pick of Sarah Palin. We all know how well that went for McCain...


    And thank you Balancing for providing the readable text.
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    May 12, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    okay creature, uh, I mean balancing, or is it creature? icon_confused.gif You really should just make your mind up who you want to be and own that LOL -- Thanks for posting the memo.
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    May 12, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    creature said
    At Romney's commencement speech at Liberty University, founded by Evangelical Jerry Falwell, Romney did reiterate that marriage is between one man and one woman.

    He's pandering to the extremists



    NEWSFLASH: People who feel that "Marriage is between one man and one woman" are NOT extremists --- they just have a different opinion of what the definition of marriage should be. They could argue that gay people who want to get married are "extremists", but of course that wouldn't be accurate either.
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    May 12, 2012 3:55 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    creature said
    At Romney's commencement speech at Liberty University, founded by Evangelical Jerry Falwell, Romney did reiterate that marriage is between one man and one woman.

    He's pandering to the extremists



    NEWSFLASH: People who feel that "Marriage is between one man and one woman" are NOT extremists --- they just have a different opinion of what the definition of marriage should be. They could argue that gay people who want to get married are "extremists", but of course that wouldn't be accurate either.


    I was referring to the evangelical crowd at Liberty University.
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    May 12, 2012 4:08 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    creature said
    At Romney's commencement speech at Liberty University, founded by Evangelical Jerry Falwell, Romney did reiterate that marriage is between one man and one woman.

    He's pandering to the extremists



    NEWSFLASH: People who feel that "Marriage is between one man and one woman" are NOT extremists --- they just have a different opinion of what the definition of marriage should be. They could argue that gay people who want to get married are "extremists", but of course that wouldn't be accurate either.


    Incorrect. They are extremists.
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    May 12, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    creature said
    At Romney's commencement speech at Liberty University, founded by Evangelical Jerry Falwell, Romney did reiterate that marriage is between one man and one woman.

    He's pandering to the extremists



    NEWSFLASH: People who feel that "Marriage is between one man and one woman" are NOT extremists --- .

    Well, they are definitely bigots.
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    May 12, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    creature said
    At Romney's commencement speech at Liberty University, founded by Evangelical Jerry Falwell, Romney did reiterate that marriage is between one man and one woman.

    He's pandering to the extremists



    NEWSFLASH: People who feel that "Marriage is between one man and one woman" are NOT extremists --- they just have a different opinion of what the definition of marriage should be. They could argue that gay people who want to get married are "extremists", but of course that wouldn't be accurate either.
    Newsflash.. those Americans who demand equality under the constitution of this country are Heros. Those whom you seem to worship are extremists, bigots, and unAmerican bastards.

    Call a spade a spade.. ok?
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    May 12, 2012 4:34 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidShe's 100% right.
    And you actually think those in your 'party' will actually listen? LMAO.. you are a twink arent ya.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 12, 2012 5:18 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    mocktwinkie saidShe's 100% right.
    And you actually think those in your 'party' will actually listen? LMAO.. you are a twink arent ya.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    It's in the process of happening... GOP heavyweights are progressively getting more silent on the issue.
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    May 12, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
    Not one word about what's the right thing to do...