czarodziej is REALLY gone!

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    Jul 22, 2008 4:39 AM GMT
    Dear RJ-ers,

    Notice this new thread modified since I just learned on the previous thread http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/235882/ that it was the RJ admin who gave him the boot. Of course I'd be subject to criticism for better things to talk about but I am gonna have to deal with this right here, right now. I'd rather face persecution than pretend to be strong, jaded and devoid of emotions.

    I hardly slept last night, as I was really upset by something in general about having another compulsive liar destroy someone else's ability to trust and be in a relationship again. To me it seems brutally traumatizing as child rape. It does not make it any better if you know the person adversely affected by it.

    I should know --I have dealt with a lot of conniving, cheating and lying bastards for me to know how they operate. They know their victims very well and devour on the pureness of what the other can give and are willing to give. It didn't take me long enough to identify myself with Czar since we almost share the same predicament in the relationship department that is close to nil. I am not directing my anger on anyone in particular now; but this recent incident surely brought up some issues for me and I'm sure it did the same thing to you and to all of us here no matter how we mask it with effective humor and further banter.

    All the while I was having some crisis here before I decided to quit last month, Czar was my rock. I confided in him in a way that seemed our ages were switched. I echo some of the sentiments here that sometimes, we forget that we were once like Czar. And instead of acknowledging this, we go attack the kid, instead of acting our real age and guide him. If he acted out irrationally, it was the natural thing for him to do—although not in good taste. We were supposed to guide, not judge and humiliate! Where is your sense of compassion? Have you heard about the case of the intelligent 7-year old who was put in the class of 13-year olds because of his IQ? He did well academically but eventually failed tremendously because of the lack of social skills that can only be learned through age and experience!

    Don't you identify yourselves with the 20-somethings here when you once were the over-eager, highly enthusiastic idealist who thought who knew it all and has a say on everything? I have read a lot from them that I don’t agree sometimes but I let them get away with it for their own growth and well-being. Sooner or later, they’d look back and laugh at themselves. And we should be laughing ahead of them and take things with a pinch of salt.

    Like what dancerjack said, it’s difficult to be passionate these days. We both learned that in the end, nothing can stop us from standing by our own convictions in life. That not even the most jaded of individuals can come in our way to bring us down. We may grow old, but that is something that will always remain pure inside us.

    I appreciate all those who have e-mailed me in private; I shall get back to you once I get over this feeling of ambivalence. Right now, I’m sure Czar will be all right once he realizes the beauty of taking some time off. He’s got a great support system in the real world out there and not to mention, outside the gym! Too bad none of them are gay. And that says a lot about us as a community in general.

    Yes, I was even described as being territorial when it comez to my friendz. Who waz it who zaid that while I waz away!? I think hiz name alzo beginz with “z”… Well I am not apologizing for it. But do you really think I am territorial……..?

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    Jul 22, 2008 4:45 AM GMT
    Can you explain to me what happened, please? It's hard to follow the thread with all of the "Hidden/Deleted Member" posts -- So I don't know who's saying/responding to what.

    It's sad that he left, becuase... right before he left I bookmarked his profile (I think Hotlisting is a bit too public AND it makes a person seem kinda stalkerish if they do it too much. hahaha). I'm shocked to see he's gone. But such is life.

    I'm sure he'll continue to be a realjock icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 22, 2008 4:51 AM GMT
    "Hidden/Deleted Member" are Czar's responses.

    Ty evidently deleted his, so you are only reading half of the exchange.
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    Jul 22, 2008 4:52 AM GMT
    He did? HA!

    Who's the bigger man now?


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    Jul 22, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    Caslon5000 said"Hidden/Deleted Member" are Czar's responses.

    Ty evidently deleted his, so you are only reading half of the exchange.


    Well that explains why the conversation sounds so lopsided.

    However... even if you send me a private mail, I'd like to know what happened to my hunk of czar icon_sad.gif
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    Jul 22, 2008 5:05 AM GMT
    Well, after witnessing Ty's behavior on the other thread, I think Czar got a raw deal.

    Oh, great Powers that Be of RJ, if you can hear me.

    ...This is Caslon, the meek and powerless, but who has over 5400 posts which should count for something. ...Can you find it in your munificence to be merciful on the young, young Czar and realize that at his age, the brain isnt fully developed yet and the part that controls rage doesnt work all that well, and he is of such little experience at being played like a violin, that he deserves another chance?

    ...It is quite obvious that it takes two to tango and so to banish one without the other is just wrong. You dont have to play Salomon here. The two are twain already. Put them both on good behavior. ....Pleeeeeeze! ...I, Caslon, the meek and mild, will go LOLcat on his ass if he disturbs the peace of these forums again...either one of the hes.

    your humble and most obedient servant,

    Caslon

    Romeo and Juliet, Act I, Scene I:

    Three civil brawls, bred of an airy word,
    By thee, old Capulet, and Montague,
    Have thrice disturb'd the quiet of our streets,
    And made Verona's ancient citizens
    Cast by their grave beseeming ornaments,
    To wield old partisans, in hands as old,
    Canker'd with peace, to part your canker'd hate:
    If ever you disturb our streets again,
    Your lives shall pay the forfeit of the peace.
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    Jul 22, 2008 5:06 AM GMT
    blind2limits said
    Caslon5000 said"Hidden/Deleted Member" are Czar's responses.

    Ty evidently deleted his, so you are only reading half of the exchange.


    Well that explains why the conversation sounds so lopsided.

    However... even if you send me a private mail, I'd like to know what happened to my hunk of czar icon_sad.gif

    He got banned by RJ for lashing out at Ty.
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    Jul 22, 2008 5:28 AM GMT
    Of all people, I didn't really expect Caslon5000 to get along somehow with Czar in the later stages --and look at him now!
    Aww...must be the catnips! LOL
    Cas - I wuv u 'cuz ure seen ure...
    Zx
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    Jul 22, 2008 5:31 AM GMT

    We're with Caslon,

    To RJ admin. - we'd both really like to see czar invited back. And we mean a real invitation! Your policies are in place for good reason, but there are always unique circumstances, right?

    OK we're new and so have no huge group of buddies to back us up, but he's a guy that deserves a break.

    Hey if czar can read this, an email address for us is on our profile. Would like to hear from him.
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    Jul 22, 2008 6:01 AM GMT
    I'm sure he'd be browsing. I did it "from beyond". He will be reading this and may even check your profile but make sure even non-members off the site can view it. Check your preferences. x
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    Jul 22, 2008 6:54 AM GMT
    You know Ty reminds me of this guy I use to date when I was 20. He was 20, rich, looked amazing, like a model.. I fell so effing hard for this guy. He seemed to click with me on every note.

    When we finally met in person he got ugly really fast. He couldn't get thru a sentince without name dropping, talking about his Audi and BMW motorcycle and his boats..

    The guy was such a liar it was disgusting. Yeah he was rich but hell did he love to strech the truth and then some.

    Some guys are nothing more than good looks. And if this Ty guy was a real man and had nothing to hide he would not be deleting his posts.. and lets face it. He's 6'6 tall? Give me an effing break.

    Cz I hope you come back because letting this Ken doll, tanorexic self absorbed looser play on your mind is stupid.. I mean anyone with pictures like that in there profile is too in love with themselves to love anyone else..

    I'm so glad I met my version of Ty when I was 20 because I wont waste my time on looser like that ever again.
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    Jul 22, 2008 7:15 AM GMT
    I hear yah, sistah!

    With all the previous posts deleted on the two threads, I see a case of hit-and-run. The funny thing is he was on a road monitored by a radar. Hence photos of the evidence are all over the place-- recorded as quotes!

    I would have said "effing unbelievable"... but those kinds of creature are believable! They operate so well, it's surreal.
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    Jul 22, 2008 7:23 AM GMT
    ZiMpLuS saidI hear yah, sistah!

    With all the previous posts deleted on the two threads, I see a case of hit-and-run. The funny thing is he was on a road monitored by a radar. Hence photos of the evidence are all over the place-- recorded as quotes!

    I would have said "effing unbelievable"... but those kinds of creature are believable! They operate so well, it's surreal.


    Blah... This Ty guy is dead business..

    Funny we were just talking about these sketchy characters the other day zim
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    Jul 22, 2008 7:25 AM GMT
    Absolutely and something's gotta give. x
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    Jul 22, 2008 11:41 AM GMT
    same punishment should have been meted out to both imo. however, seeing as ty is still here why can't we have czar back hrrrm?
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    Jul 22, 2008 2:17 PM GMT
    Since we are on the subject --I wonder. Okay those who got the boot like my ex-bf Onixotto (who magically got revived in one of my private messages with another regular member here) and MikePhil's fling Chuckystud-- do they get invited back? I mean, can't they set up another account and be faceless? I dunno... icon_neutral.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 22, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    ZiMpLuS saidSince we are on the subject --I wonder. Okay those who got the boot like my ex-bf Onixotto (who magically got revived in one of my private messages with another regular member here) and MikePhil's fling Chuckystud-- do they get invited back? I mean, can't they set up another account and be faceless? I dunno... icon_neutral.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    Yeah, but having to remain faceless and lose your identity from before when you've been screwed over isnt a really acceptable resolution.

    Right now for me, the hissy fit part of all this is over. I am more interested in knowing if Ty mislead us by saying that RJ gave Czar the boot. If Ty has done that, then I am sore offended and hope he gets the boot.
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    Jul 22, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
    Good grief. If the RJ staff dismissed czar, they're just as capable of being stupid, impulsive dicks as the rest of us can be at times. I hope they chime in here and tell us, for the record, that czar wasn't given the boot. If he really was, FUCK THEM UP THE ASS WITHOUT LUBE. Czar made a poor decision in lashing out at Tynificent that way in a public thread. Dumb move, but he's a kid, and we've all been there and done that. Those who would criticize him for that (esp. new members who haven't been around long enough to pass judgment on ANY of us) are either forgetting what it's like to be young and figuring those things out or are insufferable assholes. For some in particular, I suspect the latter. Has anyone, though, noticed Ty's post count? Remarkably low. Seems to me he only posts when czar has posted, and sounds an awful lot like antagonism to me. And that...weird...email of czar's that he posted for us all to read? He's been holding onto that for some time, apparently: several weeks ago (after czar's compulsive liar thread, I believe), Ty emailed me (and I'll assume every other poster to the thread, too, as I'd never had contact with him previously, nor since) that message. Czar had faults, and easily-pressed buttons seemed to be one of them. Seems to me, though, this Tynificent guy was exploiting those weaknesses. And for the record: czar is not a friend of mine. I've never spoken to him directly, so this isn't me chiming in impulsively on the behalf of a buddy - this is me feeling weary with a whole lotta bullshit and missing the contributions of a good kid on these forums.

    Zim, great post, by the way.
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    Jul 22, 2008 3:48 PM GMT
    Guys I saw that entire argument (well cz's side anyways cuz princess deleted her side..), it was bad but they weren't cussing each other the worst I saw was "asshole"

    I doubt very much Cz got the boot.. because if he did so would Ty. Also because Ty said he got deleted i'm automatically not going to believe it because I think he's full of it.

    Besides.. Regarldess if you delete your posts or not i'm sure the admin here is still able to veiw them.

    I still can get over the line "I was in love with a real man about real things" GAWDDDDDDDDDDD icon_lol.gif Cheese on crackers....
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    Jul 22, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
    I personally think Czarodziej's website is accurate, he is taking a break from RJ. I think that latest emotional explosion with Tynficent made him realize for his own mental health he needed to get away. He seems a bit low these days, but I am sure he will be alright.

    I don't know Tynficent, but I think I have a bit of an idea of what Czarodziej is like as a person. I can't believe he would make all those accusations without some basis. He is a romantic who has been bitterly disappointed, and that is always hard for a guy like him. My best friend is similar. His last relationship was very bad and he has never gotten over it.

    Hopefully Czarodziej with time will get back in the dating game and try and meet a guy to settle down with. I will e-mail him every so often to see how he is doing.
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    Jul 22, 2008 4:18 PM GMT
    I have a tendency to agree with the decisions of moderators in these places. What I saw in the thread didn't warrant a ban from either party, so I'm thinking that something happened behind the scenes that we're not privy to, but was a deep violation of RJ's terms of agreement/forum rules and such.

    But then, I don't know the RJ moderators and they could be in the wrong here. But I can't see an established site like this having poor staffing.

    All I'm calling for is for a little bit more explanation: but if the warrant for banning came from behind closed doors, then we have no real right to the reasoning.
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    Jul 22, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
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    All I'm calling for is for a little bit more explanation: but if the warrant for banning came from behind closed doors, then we have no real right to the reasoning.

    Ah contraire, mon cheri! Those of us with over a thousand posts have the right to everything, including your firstborn. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 22, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    ZiMpLuS saidmy ex-bf Onixotto


    Dunno if you saw it, but someone posted a topic about traveling to NY to meet Onixotto, who didn't show up. The guy did some investigating and discovered that Onixotto is actually some guy in his 40s.

    ZiMpLuS saidMikePhil's fling Chuckystud


    Financially, Chucky isn't doing so well and is happily accepting donations:



    http://youtube.com/user/chuckystud
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    Jul 22, 2008 4:41 PM GMT
    I watched the Mytube video of ChuckyStud. Very sad to say the least.
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    Jul 22, 2008 7:17 PM GMT
    That really IS sad about Chucky. icon_sad.gif Man... if I had money I would donate, Chuckymonster or not.