Leaked Memo: GOP Should Abandon Fight Against Gay Marriage

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    May 12, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    Well, this is enlightening.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/05/bush-pollster-change-in-attitudes-on-gay-marriage-123235.html

    And the walls came tumbling down.
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    May 12, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
    Rush Limbaugh gave a response to this line of thinking......and it was revealing of his view of the Republican Voter.

    He said he didn't care what polling showed-------voting mattered.

    And that "THERE ARE ENOUGH HICKS AND HAYSEEDS" to vote against gay marriage.

    He might be right of course. And that's why Republicans will struggle hard trying to choose which way to go on this.

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    May 12, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThe only reason is Republicans are struggling hard is because that most of the 60 y/o's and older of today will be dead in 20 to 25 years when the next generations attitude will have changed and they will have lost most of their voting party


    Um no, because what differentiates the Republicans from the Democrats is more than social issues. It's amazing how delusional some Democrats are. The Republican party is strong and the way the tea party is reshaping the party means its popularity is likely to grow.
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    May 13, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
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    AMoonHawk saidThe only reason is Republicans are struggling hard is because that most of the 60 y/o's and older of today will be dead in 20 to 25 years when the next generations attitude will have changed and they will have lost most of their voting party


    Um no, because what differentiates the Republicans from the Democrats is more than social issues. It's amazing how delusional some Democrats are. The Republican party is strong and the way the tea party is reshaping the party means its popularity is likely to grow.


    Um No. The republican party is on the way out, that is why there is a tea party, which won't last either because they were originally made up of both republicans and democrats and as the bigots take over the tea party the democrats are moving back to the middle. The abortion debate doesn't fly any more because after bush republicans know know that the presidency has no control over it. And so now the republicans are now jumping on the one man, one woman marriage carriage. People are also not going to continue to be willing to send of their children and love ones to die in a war that bush and the four horseman started. And as more and more jobs move oversea while the republican business owners continue to gouge the American public, the disparity will soon become relevant and people will eventually stop backing a republican party that is run by big business.


    Um wrong. The one unifying theme of the tea partyiers is their concern over spending and government encroachment - and that's why you have the elimination of those like Lugar. The tea party is putting candidates who believe in principle as opposed to financially motivated compromise by eliminating things like earmarks.

    You're delusional if you believe the Republican is on the way out... oh wait, let's hear it from someone you might actually believe:
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/opinion/carville-democrats-could-lose/index.html

    Do you really think economic conservatives are going to flock to Democrats?
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    May 13, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
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    AMoonHawk saidThe only reason is Republicans are struggling hard is because that most of the 60 y/o's and older of today will be dead in 20 to 25 years when the next generations attitude will have changed and they will have lost most of their voting party


    Um no, because what differentiates the Republicans from the Democrats is more than social issues. It's amazing how delusional some Democrats are. The Republican party is strong and the way the tea party is reshaping the party means its popularity is likely to grow.


    Um No. The republican party is on the way out, that is why there is a tea party, which won't last either because they were originally made up of both republicans and democrats and as the bigots take over the tea party the democrats are moving back to the middle. The abortion debate doesn't fly any more because after bush republicans know know that the presidency has no control over it. And so now the republicans are now jumping on the one man, one woman marriage carriage. People are also not going to continue to be willing to send of their children and love ones to die in a war that bush and the four horseman started. And as more and more jobs move oversea while the republican business owners continue to gouge the American public, the disparity will soon become relevant and people will eventually stop backing a republican party that is bought, paid for and run by big business.

    You're quite mistaken. The old, rigid die-hards will go, and gay rights will eventually be in the mainstream of the Republican Party, but it will remain a force. Why many of the astute young guys will vote Republican:

    Unless they plan to be union lifers, what's in an Obama vote for young Americans? Why would anyone under the age of 25 vote for Barack Obama in November? http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2344442/

    http://hpronline.org/books-arts/liberalism's-dying-days/

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/05/08/the-death-of-liberalism
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    May 13, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidYou are both missing the point .. in 20 years their main supporters will be dead .... and riddler you are completely misinformed if you think any republican is going to ever support eliminating earmarks, they are the hugest abusers, they are also the hugest abusers of misappropriation and misspending money. The south and the confederates are all leaving their states because there are only rural jobs left and as they do that, their children see the real world for what it is and leave the lies of their fathers behind them. Nuf said .. continue to delude yourselves with ignorance and the lie of republicans.

    No you're missing the point. In 20 years there will be younger ones. I think the social issues will fade away, but wanting economic policies not equal to today's left will remain a powerful incentive. Read this and you will see some incentives for younger folks. You might have missed some younger folks on RJ who are fiscal conservatives, but they often don't participate too much. http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2344442/
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    May 13, 2012 1:34 AM GMT
    Don't believe ANYTHING that comes from the Republicans!! Even a "leaked" memo that appears to advocate softening their stance on ANY issue!

    The GOP has proven time and again WITH THEIR ACTIONS that their words cannot be trusted. They have become the soulless political mechanization of the very thing that Eisenhower warned about in his final speech to the nation.

    Until I see ACTIONS which demonstrate a sincere bipartisan effort (i.e. actual votes preceded by good-faith negotiations and moderated rhetoric), I would not trust any of them.

    Today's Republicans will say anything and do anything to obtain the levers of power. And, as we have seen in recent history with George W. Bush and a Republican controlled House and Senate, economic and social catastrophe was the result.

    Don't let your guard down for a moment. Just like in the horror movies, you've got to drive stakes into their hearts, kill them with fire, then make sure all of the little pieces have been disintegrated. And then you still can't be too sure.

    Be warned! The 2000 election could happen again. Don't let it happen!
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    May 13, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    AMoonHawk said
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    AMoonHawk saidThe only reason is Republicans are struggling hard is because that most of the 60 y/o's and older of today will be dead in 20 to 25 years when the next generations attitude will have changed and they will have lost most of their voting party


    Um no, because what differentiates the Republicans from the Democrats is more than social issues. It's amazing how delusional some Democrats are. The Republican party is strong and the way the tea party is reshaping the party means its popularity is likely to grow.


    Um No. The republican party is on the way out, that is why there is a tea party, which won't last either because they were originally made up of both republicans and democrats and as the bigots take over the tea party the democrats are moving back to the middle. The abortion debate doesn't fly any more because after bush republicans know know that the presidency has no control over it. And so now the republicans are now jumping on the one man, one woman marriage carriage. People are also not going to continue to be willing to send of their children and love ones to die in a war that bush and the four horseman started. And as more and more jobs move oversea while the republican business owners continue to gouge the American public, the disparity will soon become relevant and people will eventually stop backing a republican party that is bought, paid for and run by big business.

    You're quite mistaken. The old, rigid die-hards will go, and gay rights will eventually be in the mainstream of the Republican Party, but it will remain a force. Why many of the astute young guys will vote Republican:

    Unless they plan to be union lifers, what's in an Obama vote for young Americans? Why would anyone under the age of 25 vote for Barack Obama in November? http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2344442/

    http://hpronline.org/books-arts/liberalism's-dying-days/

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/05/08/the-death-of-liberalism


    People your age shouldnt vote anyway. Just die off already and let the younger generations decide for themselves what their future will be.
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    May 13, 2012 1:55 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    AMoonHawk said
    riddler78 said
    AMoonHawk saidThe only reason is Republicans are struggling hard is because that most of the 60 y/o's and older of today will be dead in 20 to 25 years when the next generations attitude will have changed and they will have lost most of their voting party


    Um no, because what differentiates the Republicans from the Democrats is more than social issues. It's amazing how delusional some Democrats are. The Republican party is strong and the way the tea party is reshaping the party means its popularity is likely to grow.


    Um No. The republican party is on the way out, that is why there is a tea party, which won't last either because they were originally made up of both republicans and democrats and as the bigots take over the tea party the democrats are moving back to the middle. The abortion debate doesn't fly any more because after bush republicans know know that the presidency has no control over it. And so now the republicans are now jumping on the one man, one woman marriage carriage. People are also not going to continue to be willing to send of their children and love ones to die in a war that bush and the four horseman started. And as more and more jobs move oversea while the republican business owners continue to gouge the American public, the disparity will soon become relevant and people will eventually stop backing a republican party that is bought, paid for and run by big business.

    You're quite mistaken. The old, rigid die-hards will go, and gay rights will eventually be in the mainstream of the Republican Party, but it will remain a force. Why many of the astute young guys will vote Republican:

    Unless they plan to be union lifers, what's in an Obama vote for young Americans? Why would anyone under the age of 25 vote for Barack Obama in November? http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2344442/

    http://hpronline.org/books-arts/liberalism's-dying-days/

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/05/08/the-death-of-liberalism


    People your age shouldnt vote anyway. Just die off already and let the younger generations decide for themselves what their future will be.

    My life expectancy may be greater than yours with all the diseases you're liable to get. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101026161228AAwD4xt Your macrocephaly might also be a risk factor.
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    May 13, 2012 2:11 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    AMoonHawk said
    riddler78 said
    AMoonHawk saidThe only reason is Republicans are struggling hard is because that most of the 60 y/o's and older of today will be dead in 20 to 25 years when the next generations attitude will have changed and they will have lost most of their voting party


    Um no, because what differentiates the Republicans from the Democrats is more than social issues. It's amazing how delusional some Democrats are. The Republican party is strong and the way the tea party is reshaping the party means its popularity is likely to grow.


    Um No. The republican party is on the way out, that is why there is a tea party, which won't last either because they were originally made up of both republicans and democrats and as the bigots take over the tea party the democrats are moving back to the middle. The abortion debate doesn't fly any more because after bush republicans know know that the presidency has no control over it. And so now the republicans are now jumping on the one man, one woman marriage carriage. People are also not going to continue to be willing to send of their children and love ones to die in a war that bush and the four horseman started. And as more and more jobs move oversea while the republican business owners continue to gouge the American public, the disparity will soon become relevant and people will eventually stop backing a republican party that is bought, paid for and run by big business.

    You're quite mistaken. The old, rigid die-hards will go, and gay rights will eventually be in the mainstream of the Republican Party, but it will remain a force. Why many of the astute young guys will vote Republican:

    Unless they plan to be union lifers, what's in an Obama vote for young Americans? Why would anyone under the age of 25 vote for Barack Obama in November? http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2344442/

    http://hpronline.org/books-arts/liberalism's-dying-days/

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/05/08/the-death-of-liberalism


    People your age shouldnt vote anyway. Just die off already and let the younger generations decide for themselves what their future will be.

    My life expectancy may be greater than yours with all the diseases you're liable to get. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101026161228AAwD4xt Your macrocephaly might also be a risk factor.


    Face it dude. You got to decide your future. Now sit back in your rocking chair and let the younger folks decide their own.
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    May 13, 2012 2:52 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidYou are both missing the point .. in 20 years their main supporters will be dead .... and riddler you are completely misinformed if you think any republican is going to ever support eliminating earmarks, they are the hugest abusers, they are also the hugest abusers of misappropriation and misspending money. The south and the confederates are all leaving their states because there are only rural jobs left and as they do that, their children see the real world for what it is and leave the lies of their fathers behind them. Nuf said .. continue to delude yourselves with ignorance and the lie of republicans.


    Sorry the one who's deluded here is you. Did you miss for instance the push by tea party congressmen to get rid of earmarks? They already substantially did - which is why some papers have complained for instance that it's been so difficult to pass the highway bill.

    Did you miss the fact that in 2010, there were more Republicans elected in state houses than in over 75 years? Did you miss the fact that a number of establishment Republicans have been removed through primary fights?

    We don't need to look into a crystal ball to see that you will be wrong. You already are. But I ask you again, do you really believe that economic conservatives will move to the Democrats? The answer to this is also why there has been a fierce battle for the soul of the Republican party in the last 4 years after significant dissatisfaction with domestic spending under the Bush administration - and it's something that started with Porkbusters and the forced retirement of Trent Lott.
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    May 13, 2012 10:42 AM GMT
    Balancing said
    And that "THERE ARE ENOUGH HICKS AND HAYSEEDS" to vote against gay marriage.


    He should have added "AND GAY REPUBLICANS".
    Shame on them.
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    May 13, 2012 10:47 AM GMT
    Republicans have alwAys used the tactics of hate and fear in their election politics
    Whether its the Cold war
    The War on Terror
    The Use of gays guns and god

    Why did republicans put these ballot proposals during election years ?
    It's specifically to bring out the bigot vote

    Anti-gay.... Anti-immigrant

    It always works for them

    And like a bad drunk? It's gonna be hard for them to quit even when they know what they're doing isn't right