Gov. Jerry Brown says California facing higher-than-expected $16 billion budget shortfall

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    May 13, 2012 12:45 AM GMT
    Expect taxes on rich to raise significantly less than anticipated.

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    Under Brown’s tax plan, California would temporarily raise the state’s sales tax by a quarter-cent and increase the income tax on people who make $250,000 or more. Brown is projecting his tax initiative would raise as much as $9 billion, but a review by the nonpartisan analyst’s office estimates revenue of $6.8 billion in fiscal year 2012-13.

    Supporters of the “Schools and Local Public Safety Protection Act of 2012” say the additional revenue would help maintain current funding levels for public schools and colleges and pay for programs that benefit seniors and low-income families. It also would provide local governments with a constitutional guarantee of funding to comply with a new state law that shifts lower-level offenders from state prisons to county jails.

    A second tax hike headed for the November ballot is being promoted by Los Angeles civil rights attorney Molly Munger, whose initiative would raise income taxes on a sliding scale for nearly all wage-earners to help fund schools.

    Anti-tax groups and Republican lawmakers say both tax increases will hurt California’s economic recovery. State GOP Chairman Tom Del Beccaro has embarked on a statewide campaign to discuss alternatives to Brown’s tax hikes.

    The governor is expected to propose a contingency plan with a list of unpopular cuts that would kick in automatically if voters reject tax hikes this fall. In January, he said they would result in a K-12 school year shortened by up to three weeks, higher college tuition fees and reduced funding for courts.
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    May 14, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    I hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.
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    May 14, 2012 5:55 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.
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    May 14, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
    It's so funny watching liberals get stuck with massive deficits and being forced into fiscal responsibility simply because there's no other alternative.
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    May 14, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidIt's so funny watching liberals get stuck with massive deficits and being forced into fiscal responsibility simply because there's no other alternative.


    Actually, it's Brown dealing with the past 8 years of the "Governator".
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    mocktwinkie saidIt's so funny watching liberals get stuck with massive deficits and being forced into fiscal responsibility simply because there's no other alternative.


    Actually, it's Brown dealing with the past 8 years of the "Governator".


    Yep, it's always the fault of the Republican - nevermind in this case, the Governator was prevented from actually making significant cuts.
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    mocktwinkie saidIt's so funny watching liberals get stuck with massive deficits and being forced into fiscal responsibility simply because there's no other alternative.


    Actually, it's Brown dealing with the past 8 years of the "Governator".

    Laughably false. He failed at getting things under control because of the Democratic control of the legislative branch.
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    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie saidIt's so funny watching liberals get stuck with massive deficits and being forced into fiscal responsibility simply because there's no other alternative.


    Actually, it's Brown dealing with the past 8 years of the "Governator".

    Laughably false. He failed at getting things under control because of the Democratic control of the legislative branch.


    So the Governator had no power over the state because of a Democratic legislature but you ignore the rampant Republican obstructionism of Obama vis-a-vis the economy?

    Hypocrite, much?
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie saidIt's so funny watching liberals get stuck with massive deficits and being forced into fiscal responsibility simply because there's no other alternative.


    Actually, it's Brown dealing with the past 8 years of the "Governator".

    Laughably false. He failed at getting things under control because of the Democratic control of the legislative branch.


    So the Governator had no power over the state because of a Democratic legislature but you ignore the rampant Republican obstructionism of Obama vis-a-vis the economy?

    Hypocrite, much?

    On Calif the Dems and unions are in lock step to provide entitlements we cannot afford.

    Different situation in DC. 2010 election was about slowing down the spending, and that's what the Republicans aimed for. But Obama, despite knowing the Dems "got a shellacking", ultimately didn't care about the voters' desires and wanted to continue spending. Also as far as obstructing Dems refused to propose budget blueprint in Senate for 3 years. They are the ones obstructing.
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    May 14, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
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    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
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    May 14, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
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    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.

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    May 14, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    socalfitness said
    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never would I do something like that

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    May 14, 2012 8:11 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    socalfitness said
    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPH through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif

    Santa Monica, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    4 hours 39 mins
    281.0 mi - I-15 N

    281 divided by 3= 93.6 mph average..
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    May 14, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    freedomisntfree said
    socalfitness said
    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPG through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif


    Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    300 miles divided by about three hours is what?

    "You werent driving 130 MPG through Los Angeles.. sorry"

    and very true, I sure wasn't doing a 130 MPG
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    May 14, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
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    socalfitness said
    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPG through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif


    Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    300 miles divided by about three hours is what?

    "You werent driving 130 MPG through Los Angeles.. sorry"

    and very true, I sure wasn't doing a 130 MPG
    Read above. And thanks for the correction the G is right next to the H..........icon_wink.gif
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    May 14, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    freedomisntfree said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    freedomisntfree said
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    freedomisntfree said
    socalfitness said
    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPG through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif


    Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    300 miles divided by about three hours is what?

    "You werent driving 130 MPG through Los Angeles.. sorry"

    and very true, I sure wasn't doing a 130 MPG
    Read above. And thanks for the correction the G is right next to the H..........icon_wink.gif



    130.9 mi SM to Barstow
    151.3 Barstow to Vegas

    Sure it can be done in three hours depending on what CalTrans has closed in the middle of the night.

    And I'd forgotten how far from Barstow to Vegas versus SM to Barstow.

    I recommend both

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    May 14, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
    Plus, I was at the east end of the SM airport and didn't go all the way to downtown Vegas so about 267 miles total divided by three hours. An 89 mph average is not too hard to do. Due to my bladder, a 100 mph average is real difficult.
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    May 14, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    freedomisntfree said
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    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPH through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif

    Santa Monica, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    4 hours 39 mins
    281.0 mi - I-15 N

    281 divided by 3= 93.6 mph average..


    Sure, that's doable.
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    May 14, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    freedomisntfree said
    socalfitness said
    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPH through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif

    Santa Monica, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    4 hours 39 mins
    281.0 mi - I-15 N

    281 divided by 3= 93.6 mph average..


    Sure, that's doable.


    even in a Cadillac

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    freedomisntfree said
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    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPH through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif

    Santa Monica, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    4 hours 39 mins
    281.0 mi - I-15 N

    281 divided by 3= 93.6 mph average..


    Sure, that's doable.
    You aint doin anything like that.. sorry.. it just didnt happen and you know it.

    The bars let out at 2 am.. the freeways are crawling with CHP.... You arent fooling me.icon_wink.gif
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    jock_1 saidI hear the 130 mile high speed rail train is now expected to cost 6 BILLION dollars....what a joke. His plan....raise taxes???

    How about defund and scrap the train like Scott Walker did here in Wisconsin. One of the reasons he got elected...Wisconsin couldnt afford a 1 billion dollar 90 mile train from Milwaukee to Madison.

    The current plan is for one of the links to go from So Calif to Las Vegas, but it won't start in LA or OC, too expensive. It will start in Victorville, in the desert approx 1/3 the way to Vegas. Here's the concept. People will drive through traffic from LA or OC approx 90 min to Victorville, park, wait for the next train, then ride to Vegas. Based on what they are planning to charge, they can fly from LA or OC to Vegas for the same price. Train makes sense, right? It does if you have money to burn or are a big spending politician.


    That's insane. The problem is getting to Victorville or Barstow. Once there it's only another hour to Vegas by car. I used to leave Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas.
    Sorry..


    Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    2 hours 29 mins
    151.3 mi VIA I-15 N

    You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off.



    "Santa Monica between 2 and 4am and three hours later I'm in Las Vegas"

    it's less than 300 miles.

    "You werent driving 151 miles an hour.. knock the bullshitting off."

    Never



    Santa Monica, CA to Barstow, CA
    2 hours 18 mins
    130.9 mi - I-10 E and I-15 N

    You werent driving 130 MPH through Los Angeles.. sorry!

    Knock off the bullshitting. I lived there for most of my life.. you arent bullshitting me.icon_wink.gif

    Santa Monica, CA to Las Vegas, NV
    4 hours 39 mins
    281.0 mi - I-15 N

    281 divided by 3= 93.6 mph average..


    Sure, that's doable.
    You aint doin anything like that.. sorry.. it just didnt happen and you know it.

    The bars let out at 2 am.. the freeways are crawling with CHP.... You arent fooling me.icon_wink.gif


    Want to go for a ride?

    Not many bars from Victorville to Vegas. The flow of traffic is 80+ when empty. And don't go there for fun. I go for an event and most of the time it’s the weekend before or after a holiday weekend.

    True, I did get popped north of Victorville once in about 1996 or 1997 for 98 mph. All thanks to my friend who was late so it was about 8:30 am heading through there and they got me by air.

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    another correction because it was in this car so it was January 97 heading over the high end audio show at the CES, which was the weekend after the first. Nice that so many CHPs had the weekend off due to working News Years & weekend.

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    May 14, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Want to go for a ride?

    With you? Hell no..
    I wouldnt be caught dead OR ALIVE in a car with you or anyone who has a blatant disregard for speed limits and other drivers.
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    May 14, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    freedomisntfree said
    Want to go for a ride?

    With you? Hell no..
    I wouldnt be caught dead in a car with you or anyone who has a blatant disregard for speed limits and other drivers.


    Much appreciated.

    I have slowed down a bit in my old age ... at least in my old cars

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    May 14, 2012 9:22 PM GMT
    if it was not for 90+ speeds we would have a organ shortage especially Kidneys.


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    May 14, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    musclmed saidif it was not for 90+ speeds we would have a organ shortage especially Kidneys.




    Funny, that it’s been relatively safe in Europe for decades given that they had a lower death rate per 100,000,000 miles on their limited access 'freeways' whether it be the Autobahn or Autostrada than we do. I say ‘had’ because I haven’t looked it up for a few years. We might be reaching parity now that our limited access freeways speeds have climbed over the last decade or so.