Why do Movies always project Gays as Twinks ,Femme & drag-like stereotypes ? to make money and mock gays ?

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    May 15, 2012 11:35 AM GMT
    This specifically is not a diss to the femme guys or the drags at all

    But what about thousands of Masculine gay guys like me ?
    Masculine gays are never shown in any movies at all
    i wonder why is that ?

    the only masculine gay character i saw in a movie was in "My best friend's Wedding" with Rupert Everett as the Masc Gay guy.
    rest all movies only project gays as either Twinks ,feminine or drag-like

    Why is it ?
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    May 15, 2012 11:51 AM GMT
    I advice you to watch "Brokeback Mountain" or "Shelter" or "Juste une Question D'amour / Just a Question of Love" and many more ...u just didnt look very good for them icon_razz.gif ...even in "Greys anatomy" you will see lots of gay scenes witch are most of them with masculine guys icon_biggrin.gif so there are oh or you should watch "The painting of Dorian gray"
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    May 15, 2012 11:51 AM GMT
    Sam_u_el saidThis specifically is not a diss to the femme guys or the drags at all

    But what about thousands of Masculine gay guys like me ?
    Masculine gays are never shown in any movies at all
    i wonder why is that ?

    the only masculine gay character i saw in a movie was in "My best friend's Wedding" with Rupert Everett as the Masc Gay guy.
    rest all movies only project gays as either Twinks ,feminine or drag-like

    Why is it ?


    because masculine gay guys make straight people uncomfortable so time and time again they go for the fem guy because it does not threaten their thinking and preconceived notion of what gay is. The character is usually this thin queen with biting tongue zinging one liners that are not really funny or a draq queen..or even worse a straight guy dressing up as a drag queen. Its sad that Hollywood does this since Hollywood itself is as gay as a two dollar bill.

    We got Brokeback Mountain which was received mixed by straights.
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    May 15, 2012 11:55 AM GMT
    They don't ALWAYS. But stereotypes are what sell!

    Watch "A Single Man," Colin Firth's main character.... though the 'angel of death' character is a pretty little twink. lol... You win some you lose some.
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    May 15, 2012 11:59 AM GMT
    Because writers aren't afraid to go for the low hanging fruit for a cheap laugh.
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    May 15, 2012 12:02 PM GMT
    Stuttershock saidBecause writers aren't afraid to go for the low hanging fruit for a cheap laugh.


    "Low hanging fruit?" icon_eek.gif
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    May 15, 2012 12:03 PM GMT
    angelface saidI advice you to watch "Brokeback Mountain" or "Shelter" or "Juste une Question D'amour / Just a Question of Love" and many more ...u just didnt look very good for them icon_razz.gif ...even in "Greys anatomy" you will see lots of gay scenes witch are most of them with masculine guys icon_biggrin.gif so there are oh or you should watch "The painting of Dorian gray"


    Or "The Sum of Us"
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    May 15, 2012 12:04 PM GMT
    angelface saidI advice you to watch "Brokeback Mountain" or "Shelter" or "Juste une Question D'amour / Just a Question of Love" and many more ...u just didnt look very good for them icon_razz.gif ...even in "Greys anatomy" you will see lots of gay scenes witch are most of them with masculine guys icon_biggrin.gif so there are oh or you should watch "The painting of Dorian gray"


    BROKEBACK ?
    DID u see how Jake Gyllenhaal was behaving in it ?
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    May 15, 2012 12:06 PM GMT
    lets clarify this outta 100% gay movies (by Hollywood) ,
    98% of them show us stereotypical Femme guys
    then they make those Pansy & Sissy acts & poke fun at us
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    May 15, 2012 12:08 PM GMT
    If you go to any place where there are a lot of gay men, you will see an awful lot of those stereotypes. Get over it.

    By the way, the same could be said for dumb blondes or hot, but stoned surfer dudes. I have spent enough time in Southern California to know that stoned surfer dudes are not all dumb, but plenty of them are. Again, get over it. I know plenty of gays that completely fit those stereotypes and seem happy to flounce around in public displaying themselves for the world to see.
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    May 15, 2012 12:19 PM GMT
    This is not about just the stereotypes !

    Many of the "so" called "straight" Directors are gays infact the glamour & fashion world is full of gays including many of the "straight- closet for lifetime marrying a girl ultimately "actors

    then if they know it themselves why dont they spare us with their atrocities of GAY AS DRAGS theorem

    I don't get it !
    That is kinda gay bullying in a large class
    every-time i see a movie with such characters with my family ,they wonder if i behave like that too in my bedroom with closed doors !
    Im sick of that embarrassing & not meaning to say its bad to be a femme but i really dont like seeing myself by others as a stereotyped Gay
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    May 15, 2012 12:34 PM GMT
    Haven't you seen Happy Endings on ABC, Max is a totally lovable masculine bear/cub and he even had an equally masculine and very good looking boyfriend named grant for a few episodes.
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    May 15, 2012 12:36 PM GMT
    And just to add on about Happy Endings, there are other gay guys on the show, because Max has a circle of gay friends and there is at least one totally awesome queen, but it's a decent portrayal of the gay community in it showing how we come in all favors
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    May 15, 2012 12:38 PM GMT
    Well a lot of folks in the gay community aren't helping either. Go to a gay pride parade and you can see why most people equate gay with feminine, flamboyant, and sexed up.

    That being said, I'm not anti-feminine and think people should be who they are comfortable. But I feel like everything surrounding gay politics/pride requires shirtless guys, glitter, and drag queens.
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    May 15, 2012 12:43 PM GMT
    bigDrunner saidWell a lot of folks in the gay community aren't helping either. Go to a gay pride parade and you can see why most people equate gay with feminine, flamboyant, and sexed up.

    That being said, I'm not anti-feminine and think people should be who they are comfortable. But I feel like everything surrounding gay politics/pride requires shirtless guys, glitter, and drag queens.


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    May 15, 2012 12:45 PM GMT
    Seems like an extensive list of examples here:
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StraightGay
    and here
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManlyGay
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    May 15, 2012 1:00 PM GMT
    I agree that there is not enough representation of the full diversity of the various gay lifestyles in the media.

    However, the same can be said of other groups as smartmoney has pointed out. It is important to recognize that this is not just an issue for the gay community.

    Aside from the stereotyping issue mentioned, we have only recently begun to see more people from different racial, ethnic and religious backgrounds in movies or TV shows. Many imbalances exist in the media today.

    The reality is that those individuals who write and produce these films make decisions based on their own experience as well as what they feel will either sell or make the most impact. They may or may not make the best decisions for you, but it's just not possible to make everyone happy.

    The only way to change that is to get involved in the process. That can be as simple as refusing to support movies or TV shows, or as far reaching as developing or producing your own films/series.



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    May 15, 2012 1:03 PM GMT
    i'm preety shore that you're right, but fortantly it's not in all movies. many years ago was like that but not now. he have gay caracters in movies and series that aren't femme....
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    May 15, 2012 1:19 PM GMT
    better question, why is everyone in movies usually white?
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    May 15, 2012 1:21 PM GMT
    calibro saidbetter question, why is everyone in movies usually white?


    I just knew you could turn this into a race thread. I had faith in you. icon_confused.gif
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    May 15, 2012 1:48 PM GMT
    Perhaps you are too young to have heard of the documentary, The Celluloid Closet, 100 years of gays in the movies.

    It on YouTube in segments.

    Part 1



    URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ad8JG652_s
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    May 15, 2012 1:50 PM GMT
    calibro saidbetter question, why is everyone in movies usually white?


    It does seem that way, but a fun fact...the number one movie in America after the Hunger Games hype and before the avenger came out was "Think Like a Man", a movie with a majority black and Latino cast.
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    May 15, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
    Sam_u_el saidBut what about thousands of Masculine gay guys like me ? Masculine gays are never shown in any movies at all
    i wonder why is that ?

    Why is it ?


    You, like me, are as gay as hell.
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    May 15, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
    I agree with much above, and also that stereotypical guys are easier for Hollywood to script for movies & TV. When you saw "Jack" in the sitcom Will & Grace you knew what his character was likely going to do (and Karen, too, for that matter).

    It reminds me of the Italian Renaissance theatre form called Commedia dell'Arte (part of my studies for my Theatre Degree), in which certain comic characters were always portrayed in the same formulaic way, to include the costumes. The audience knew what to expect from each one, what his individual comic specialty was. In fact, scripts seldom existed, just a loose plot line, the actors improvising their lines and routines based on the prescribed behavior for their character.

    And don't we still have some of those today, that also makes the scripting easier, because the characters are already drawn? So there's the Jewish Mother, the Nosy Neighbor, the Critical Mother-in-Law, the Dumb Blond, the Frustrated Father, the list goes on, all good for at least a few laughs. And the Swishy Gay is one of them, who finds a place in drama at times, too.

    Unfortunate for us, for I think it undermines our credibility with the public, and may even set a bad example for ourselves, but that's the way it is.
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    May 15, 2012 2:41 PM GMT
    Max on Happy Ending, John on Southland, Jack on Torchwood and Will from Will & Grace are the small handful of less sterotyical characters on TV. However, I believe the main reasons why gay men characters in media are fem, one liner sterotypes is because that makes "good TV". Boring people in general do not make good TV. Take any character on TV and see why people like them. It's normally because they are outrageous or really funny (Modern Family anyone?) or really hot. As an Italian American from NJ, I can name countless male or female characters that gives my ethinicity and home state a bad rep. It's not because every person who is Italian and from NJ are like this. It's because those types of people make good TV. It's that easy. In the end, Hollywood writers need to be more creative when it comes to gay men characters. And WE have to start watch/support them. Torchwood and Southland (and many other shows with more masc gay characters) are not really talked about either here or in mass media. But Modern Family, Will & Grace and every outrageous Housewives show is. It tells you something about us and media.