Alarm Grows Among Dems About Obama’s Chances - women, moderates and independents moving away

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    May 15, 2012 5:33 PM GMT
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    It has taken months of bad news, but Democrats increasingly believe that President Obama might just lose his re-election bid.

    The latest wake-up call comes in the form of a New York Times/CBS poll showing Republican Mitt Romney in the lead not just among registered voters overall, but with women and independents.

    The Times/CBS survey is unique in that the pollsters called back the same phone numbers they had a month before. In April, Obama and Romney were dead even. Now, Romney leads by 3 points overall. That’s still within the margin of error -- a statistical tie.

    But the shifts with women, moderates and independents are all statistically significant. Obama lost 5 points with each of those demographics.

    Team Obama has for months been warning Democrats not to be overconfident and warning of a close election, with the president increasingly sounding the alarm for donors and activists in recent campaign appearances.

    Since the general election season kicked off in earnest in the last week of March, Obama has had an almost unbroken string of losing weeks, starting with his overheard conversation with former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

    There was the back-and-forth with the Supreme Court over his health law, the attack by one of Obama’s advisers on Ann Romney, the GSA Vegas scandal, the hookers in Cartagena and then the baffling case of the gay marriage half-reversion.

    Some of the problems were just bad luck (hookers), some were just blunders (hot mic) but much of the rest has been about Obama trying to galvanize his base coalition and secure the massive donations he needs to finance the most expensive campaign in history.

    His trip to New York on Monday was the best example yet. Obama delivered a groaner of a speech at Barnard College in which he did everything but shout “girl power” at the end.

    And then in an appearance on a left-leaning ladies chat show, ABC’s “The View,” Obama rhapsodized about his partial reversion to previous support for gay marriage in advance of attending a fundraiser with his party’s fundraising shop for “gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender” Democrats that featured Ricky Martin, he of Menudo, bikini briefs and “She Bangs.”

    You need money to win Ohio, but it may not be worth the price of all this gay pride to get it. As the Times poll showed, a huge majority believe Obama’s rhetorical reversion was about politics, not a personal moral journey. Even those who are fine with gay marriage, may find it unseemly to see Obama waving the rainbow flag so vigorously in pursuit of cash.

    While Obama was in New York, he also stopped by to scoop up some money from Wall Streeters, including some private equity folks -- an industry his campaign was simultaneously describing as parasites and vampires.

    If you wonder why Obama felt the need to single out JP Morgan Chase and its CEO for praise despite a $2 billion shellacking the firm took on its own investments, fundraisers like these are a big part of the answer.


    All of this pandering may be necessary to keep Obama’s campaign dreadnaught moving ahead, but it comes at a cost, especially when so much of it is contradictory or confusing.

    Obama believes marriage is a human right regardless of the gender of one’s preferred spouse, but thinks states out to be able to suppress that human right. Okay.

    Obama thinks Romney is a vampire, but is happy to take the money of his rival’s fellow bloodsuckers? Gotcha.


    David Brooks, a New York Times columnist who is quite taken with Obama, writes in today’s paper that while Americans think Obama is doing a bad job on the economy and that the country is off track, Obama stands a good chance of being re-elected because of his demeanor: an “ESPN” brand of post-modern machismo cool.

    When Obama supporters like Brooks make argument like these, they are engaged in willful self-deception.

    There has been nothing very cool about the past 7 weeks for Obama. The president has twisted himself into a policy and rhetorical pretzel to win the support and money he needs from the members of the Democratic coalition.

    The Times poll tells the tale: Obama’s nuzzling of the base, beseeching of donors and policy contortions have given Romney the chance to start winning over the narrow band of undecided persuadable voters.

    If Democrats don’t want to see Obama defeated, they had better suck it up. Obama is not the superman they believe him to be, nor is his campaign the masterwork they have been led to believe.

    The president knows how tight a spot he is in. His supporters are just now realizing it.
  • Laurence

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    May 15, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    I'm in the UK.

    But even I know to take anything Fox news says with a pinch pinch of salt.

    Do intelligent people even use Fox as a credible news source?

    Loz
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    May 15, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    Tension building....Angry libs gonna get angrier and meaner icon_twisted.gif
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    May 15, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    i'll say it again, the only poll that matters is on Tuesday, 6 November 2012.
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    May 15, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    Stopped reading at www.foxnews
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    May 15, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidStopped reading at www.foxnews

    You can read about the poll results in numerous sources, but I hope you all ignore all the unfavorable news. Just remain complacent and satisfied.
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    May 15, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete saidStopped reading at www.foxnews

    You can read about the poll results in numerous sources, but I hope you all ignore all the unfavorable news. Just remain complacent and satisfied.


    Do you consider huffingtonpost.com and thinkprogress to be credible news sources? FoxNews and CBS are on their level if not worse.
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    May 15, 2012 6:17 PM GMT
    Single term seemed so obvious just a few months ago. Why is this a surprise? Even weak Romney should beat this guy.
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    May 15, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete saidStopped reading at www.foxnews

    You can read about the poll results in numerous sources, but I hope you all ignore all the unfavorable news. Just remain complacent and satisfied.


    Romney leads by 3 in a callback poll (hahaha) with a margin of error of + or - 4. The President's approval rating is about 48% in a depressed but recovering economy. The right-wing hatred of gays is not spreading, minds are changing, and homophobes are losing the culture war.

    THE SKY IS FALLING! NO WAY OBAMA GETS TO 270! MY LIFE IS OVER!!!

    Hahaha. You just keep telling yourself Dems are "alarmed." Because you'd know. Pfft.
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    May 15, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Laurence saidI'm in the UK.

    But even I know to take anything Fox news says with a pinch pinch of salt.

    Do intelligent people even use Fox as a credible news source?

    Loz


    Except the poll is by CBS (liberal news outlet) and the New York Times (liberal newspaper). Fox is just reporting the results of the poll.


    He was referring to Fox News's intimation that Democrats are in their homes weeping and gnashing their teeth about the poll. Not the poll itself.

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    May 15, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    southbeach1500 said
    Laurence saidI'm in the UK.

    But even I know to take anything Fox news says with a pinch pinch of salt.

    Do intelligent people even use Fox as a credible news source?

    Loz


    Except the poll is by CBS (liberal news outlet) and the New York Times (liberal newspaper). Fox is just reporting the results of the poll.


    He was referring to Fox News's intimation that Democrats are in their homes weeping and gnashing their teeth about the poll. Not the poll itself.

    No worries Mon. Stay happy! icon_lol.gif
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    Laurence saidI'm in the UK.

    But even I know to take anything Fox news says with a pinch pinch of salt.

    Do intelligent people even use Fox as a credible news source?

    Loz


    The poll is New York Times / CBS. Both are respected institutions.
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    May 15, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    No worries Mon. Stay happy! icon_lol.gif


    I'm always happy, pops. My life is good, and not dependent on anything to do with politics. Unlike right-wing Republicans, I don't sit around hating what other people are doing with their private lives. So thanks for the good wishes, but I was happy before you, and I'll be happy and worry-free (and married) after you're long dead. icon_wink.gif
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    May 15, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    No worries Mon. Stay happy! icon_lol.gif


    I'm always happy, pops. My life is good, and not dependent on anything to do with politics. Unlike right-wing Republicans, I don't sit around hating what other people are doing with their private lives. So thanks for the good wishes, but I was happy before you, and I'll be happy and worry-free (and married) after you're long dead. icon_wink.gif

    You may be dead before me, sweet pea. No guarantees, but that huge chip on your shoulder probably means you're not as happy as you claim.
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    You may be dead before me, sweet pea. No guarantees, but that huge chip on your shoulder probably means you're not as happy as you claim.


    I doubt I'll die before you, cupcake. I'm healthy in mind, body, and spirit. Your lack of cognitive ability and self-loathing voting patterns indicate a personality disorder that will likely shorten your life, if the fatty tissue buildup around your heart doesn't do it first.
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    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    No worries Mon. Stay happy! icon_lol.gif


    I'm always happy, pops. My life is good, and not dependent on anything to do with politics. Unlike right-wing Republicans, I don't sit around hating what other people are doing with their private lives. So thanks for the good wishes, but I was happy before you, and I'll be happy and worry-free (and married) after you're long dead. icon_wink.gif

    You may be dead before me, sweet pea. No guarantees, but that huge chip on your shoulder probably means you're not as happy as you claim.


    Lol - I feel like this is appropriate:



    It does seem however that if the Democrats don't get solid majorities in Congress and reclaim the Presidency there will be a lot of unhappy people here. Meanwhile, if this happens and there's a significant blow to economic liberty, the US hasn't always been the strongest country in the world and there's no reason why it needs to remain so. Businesses and entrepreneurs will look elsewhere for opportunity. Perhaps even in Canada.
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    May 15, 2012 7:16 PM GMT
    Cept all the news is bad for Romney

    His past is coming back to haunt him
    His economic policy is not getting any traction and as a matter of fact is turning into kind of a joke
    Maybe he can find Jaime Dimond a job
    Its a flub a week with him

    Women flocking to the GOP?

    really ... LOL

    You really gotta get out more SoCal

    That FAUX News palor doesn't look good icon_biggrin.gif
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    GQjock saidCept all the news is bad for Romney

    His past is coming back to haunt him
    His economic policy is not getting any traction and as a matter of fact is turning into kind of a joke
    Maybe he can find Jaime Dimond a job
    Its a flub a week with him

    Women flocking to the GOP?

    really ... LOL

    You really gotta get out more SoCal

    That FAUX News palor doesn't look good icon_biggrin.gif


    Lol - seriously? Good luck trying to push that meme.
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    May 15, 2012 7:26 PM GMT
    Well, since it comes from Faux News, I don't have to read any further.
    I KNOW IT'S A LIE.

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    Ah yes, polls, polls, polls. Sure worked for the Wildrose Party, didn't it?

    Socal, all you've shown here is that Democrats criticize their leaders, which is healthy.
    Something no few Republicans could learn to do...I wonder why they don't? Can't or won't, eh?

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    May 15, 2012 7:35 PM GMT
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    Ah yes, polls, polls, polls. Sure worked for the Wildrose Party, didn't it?

    Socal, all you've shown here is that Democrats criticize their leaders, which is healthy.
    Something no few Republicans could learn to do...I wonder why they don't? Can't or won't, eh?



    If you think that's the case you aren't looking hard enough. This happens all the time. And it is healthy.
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    May 15, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Ah yes, polls, polls, polls. Sure worked for the Wildrose Party, didn't it?

    Socal, all you've shown here is that Democrats criticize their leaders, which is healthy.
    Something no few Republicans could learn to do...I wonder why they don't? Can't or won't, eh?



    If you think that's the case you aren't looking hard enough. This happens all the time. And it is healthy.



    Really. And when was the last time you criticized any Conservative leader? Ha and ha.
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    May 15, 2012 7:41 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    meninlove said

    Ah yes, polls, polls, polls. Sure worked for the Wildrose Party, didn't it?

    Socal, all you've shown here is that Democrats criticize their leaders, which is healthy.
    Something no few Republicans could learn to do...I wonder why they don't? Can't or won't, eh?



    If you think that's the case you aren't looking hard enough. This happens all the time. And it is healthy.



    Really. And when was the last time you criticized any Conservative leader? Ha and ha.


    If you had bothered reading in the past, I've consistently said that Bush's domestic policies like pharmacare, and spending were failed ones. Closer to home, I was no fan of Harper's stimulus - and I have stated as much when asked, though it was proportionately smaller than the US one - I also have not been a fan of of the GST cut.
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    meninlove said

    Ah yes, polls, polls, polls. Sure worked for the Wildrose Party, didn't it?

    Socal, all you've shown here is that Democrats criticize their leaders, which is healthy.
    Something no few Republicans could learn to do...I wonder why they don't? Can't or won't, eh?

    Are you serious? Republicans not criticizing their leaders. Ever hear of the Tea Party movement. Targets were not only the Democrats but the Republican establishment. Are you aware of the independent freshman Republican members of the House? Are you aware of the veteran Republicans cast out, most recently Luger?

    Amazing.