cut with out losing muscle HELP!

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    May 16, 2012 7:17 AM GMT
    Okay, so I have been gaining and losing the same 15 lbs of muscle for the past year and I am fed up! This modeling agency in LA wants to take me on, they just said I need to define my body. I'm scared that I will loose muscle again! Currently I am eating more veggies, continuing my weight program (3 day a week) and doing three intense running intervalsfor 20 minutes a week.. I already think I have lost a bit of muscle and I've only just started. I drink protein shakes and eat lean meats. I dont know what I am doing wrong! Please advise me on what to do! I am so angry at this!

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    May 16, 2012 7:28 AM GMT
    How much are they charging you?
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    May 16, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    Go on a paleo diet. You will retain muscle and lose the fat. Here's a good place to start: robbwolf.com

    I don't think he's a great author, but I don't know of a truly great source. The only think I would comment on concerning paleo recommendations is that I found that I needed to keep some paleo-friendly starch in my diet to keep up my energy. Other people go starch-free.

    Only go this route if you can maintain dietary discipline, or it won't work.
  • yoheee

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    May 16, 2012 5:16 PM GMT
    consider changing your workout routine to 4 days a week, if not 5. keep cardio in mind and try to stay away from eating a lot of bread (refined flour) and excess sugars
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    May 16, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
    Hard to tell what's going on with your body without seeing it or knowing your food intake. You said you're eating more veggies and lean meats. That's good.

    I'd be concerned with what else you're eating. If you haven't tried it, I agree you should give the paleo diet a whirl. The basics are pretty simple: eat lots of lean meats, fibrious veggies, some fruit and nuts, and plenty of healthy fats. Stay away from gluten, grains, dairy, added sugar and alcohol. It takes a few weeks to get your body adjusted but it works well for a lot of people. For reading, I usually send people here: http://whole9life.com/category/whole-30/
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    May 16, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    imasrxd saidHard to tell what's going on with your body without seeing it or knowing your food intake. You said you're eating more veggies and lean meats. That's good.

    I'd be concerned with what else you're eating. If you haven't tried it, I agree you should give the paleo diet a whirl. The basics are pretty simple: eat lots of lean meats, fibrious veggies, some fruit and nuts, and plenty of healthy fats. Stay away from gluten, grains, dairy, added sugar and alcohol. It takes a few weeks to get your body adjusted but it works well for a lot of people. For reading, I usually send people here: http://whole9life.com/category/whole-30/

    How is dairy/whey bad for a person trying to gain muscle?
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    May 16, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    Also think about your supplement intake... You may need to take a multi vitamin and CLA. CLA helps transport and burn bad fats (belly fat and other hard fats to lose) and strengthens muscle fibers. Since it targets fat, it helps protect muscles from metabolizing while you're on a diet.
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    May 16, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
    joe122 said
    How is dairy/whey bad for a person trying to gain muscle?


    I can see the whey part but not the dairy part. Touch my alcohol. Touch my milk. It's gonna be a fight...

    I don't know how my buddy does it. This guy drinks so much beer on the weekend that you can smell it oozing out his pores in the morning. Yet his stomach is flatter than mine and he's pretty muscular. Must be those alcohol-resistant Italian genes LOL.
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    May 16, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    Whey is dairy
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    May 17, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    sweet! thanks guys.
  • neosyllogy

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    May 17, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    Can you be a bit more specific. About your lifting/cardio regimine, but especially what you're eating.
    "protein shake" for example tells us pretty much nothing.
    What kind of protein, what else is in the shake, how often are you eating it?

    If you're trying to cut without losing muscle one of the most important things is to keep your body supplied with protein, but minimize calories. When your body doesn't have food it canabilizes itself. That's fine for fat, but in order to keep it from eating your muscles you need to have a constant small-moderate supply of protein available.

    Slow burning proteins are excellent for this. Casein being the most popular and common. Whey is fine to take, but you'll be wanting, say 1/4 servings, but very regularly (at least every hour). Some combo is fine, though casein you only need to take very 4ish hours.

    The other issue, is not to spike insulin. A lot of proteins have artificial sweetners which will spike insulin. This will switch your metabolism from a fasting to a feasting state, which will, at least temporarily, prevent the burning of fat as fuel. Again, with something like casein: not a big deal. With something like whey that can be troublesome. (Personally: I recommend Optimum Nutrition's "Naturals" line, which doesn't have artificial sweetners. Some of the products have used stevia, but it's non-insulingenic, so no big).


    [Edit: while a lot of the above advice is not "bad", it's not especially good either: most of it is general leanning up, not serious cutting. Look up some articles on cutting for bodybuilding competitions. Realize that these guys are huge, so take any specific numbers with a grain of salt, but they're experts on losing fat while retaining muscle]
  • gwuinsf

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    May 17, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
    joe122 said
    imasrxd saidHard to tell what's going on with your body without seeing it or knowing your food intake. You said you're eating more veggies and lean meats. That's good.

    I'd be concerned with what else you're eating. If you haven't tried it, I agree you should give the paleo diet a whirl. The basics are pretty simple: eat lots of lean meats, fibrious veggies, some fruit and nuts, and plenty of healthy fats. Stay away from gluten, grains, dairy, added sugar and alcohol. It takes a few weeks to get your body adjusted but it works well for a lot of people. For reading, I usually send people here: http://whole9life.com/category/whole-30/

    How is dairy/whey bad for a person trying to gain muscle?


    Dairy is high in carb and it is insulin promoting. Whey is not quite in the same category because it has had many of the elements from dairy removed. Dairy will help him gain muscle, but it will not help him be cut, which is what he's trying to achieve.




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    May 20, 2012 8:48 PM GMT
    I'm taking my protein shake is called "russian bear" (whey based) It's a weight gainer, but the last time I took a non-gainer with water and I lost a lot of muscle. So I am being safe. Is okay to be hungry? I always feel like when I am my muscles are being eaten! lol

    I'm getting that eating right, intence running, munching on protine bars and taking Casein would be affective?
  • nwguy1027

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    May 20, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
    drinking a cup of coffee or taking a caffeine pill before a workout can help you cut fat. Distance runners know to drink coffee before a long run because it helps you avoid "hitting the wall". Caffeine promotes the use of body fat instead of glycogen (sugar) stores in your body so while the caffeine is in your system you burn fat, and still have your "carbo loaded" energy for later in the race. By this same mechanism caffeine can help you burn through fat in a workout without sacrificing muscle gain (the added energy is a bonus).

    be careful when using caffeine while working out because it is also a diuretic so you will need to make sure you are staying hydrated.

    good luck
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    May 20, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    Nivek saidGo on a paleo diet. You will retain muscle and lose the fat.


    This. Paleo rocks. Go strict Paleo, except whey protein works for me. Add cardio and increase weights to 6 days/week.