Protest gangs storm into Montreal university classes, force students out

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    May 16, 2012 11:09 PM GMT
    These students (and their government) get everything that's coming to them.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Protest+gangs+storm+into+Montreal+university+classes+force+students/6631603/story.html

    Making noise with drums and whistles, they made their way through the main UQAM building, splitting up on a number of occasions as they searched for ongoing classes. A masked protestester would yell out marching orders for the next target, such as: "Pavilion M!"

    They entered a contract-law class after walking up nine flights of stairs.

    In that classroom, the group began flicking on and off the lights, and repeatedly yelling, "Scab!" at the stunned group of students seated inside.

    A few men even grabbed two female students by the arm, telling them to get out. One spray-painted a red message on the wall of the classroom: "On strike, dammit!"

    The teacher and students shouted at the protesters and told them to leave.

    But during the 10-minute standoff, most of the students eventually gave up and left the classroom, as did the teacher. Some of those who remained got into heated discussions with the protesters, as they yelled obscenities at each other.

    The protesters then worked their way toward another class. They had marched east on De Maisonneuve Boulevard for a few minutes before they found their target: 1001 De Maisonneuve East. They chanted, "Who owns UQAM? We own UQAM!"

    None of the protesters were carrying weapons. They did, however, get into students' faces, shouting at them, shoving their books and climbing on desks.

    Some annoyed students reported the incident to police.
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    May 16, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    Ive been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
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    May 16, 2012 11:23 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.
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    May 16, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?
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    May 16, 2012 11:37 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?
    absolutely.. as is the charm, the hot guys, the culture.. etc etc.
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    mke_bt said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?


    The bars there are fun. Stock bar and Campus are my favorite. Everyone is so accepting of gays. Must be nice to have gay rights there. The architecture is lovely too
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    May 16, 2012 11:46 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?


    The bars there are fun. Stock bar and Campus are my favorite. Everyone is so accepting of gays. Must be nice to have gay rights there. The architecture is lovely too


    My one criticism would be poutine. Not a huge fan. Then again, who gives a rat's ass what I have to say about Canada?
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    May 16, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?


    The bars there are fun. Stock bar and Campus are my favorite. Everyone is so accepting of gays. Must be nice to have gay rights there. The architecture is lovely too


    My one criticism would be poutine. Not a huge fan. Then again, who gives a rat's ass what I have to say about Canada?


    My criticism was the mexican food. Horrible. But then who am i to criticize. We have awesome Mexican food in Texas. It would be like having socialized medicine with low cost healthcare and easy access to healthcare providers but complaining about another countries attempts to expand their healthcare to all its citizens too. Who the hell would do that?
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    May 16, 2012 11:55 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?


    The bars there are fun. Stock bar and Campus are my favorite. Everyone is so accepting of gays. Must be nice to have gay rights there. The architecture is lovely too


    My one criticism would be poutine. Not a huge fan. Then again, who gives a rat's ass what I have to say about Canada?


    My criticism was the mexican food. Horrible. But then who am i to criticize. We have awesome Mexican food in Texas. It would be like having socialized medicine with low cost healthcare and easy access to healthcare providers but complaining about another countries attempts to expand their healthcare to all its citizens too. Who the hell would do that?
    Come here to Florida.. we have horrible Mexican food..............

    Thats the ONE thing I miss about growin up in Calif.
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    May 16, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?


    The bars there are fun. Stock bar and Campus are my favorite. Everyone is so accepting of gays. Must be nice to have gay rights there. The architecture is lovely too


    My one criticism would be poutine. Not a huge fan. Then again, who gives a rat's ass what I have to say about Canada?


    My criticism was the mexican food. Horrible. But then who am i to criticize. We have awesome Mexican food in Texas. It would be like having socialized medicine with low cost healthcare and easy access to healthcare providers but complaining about another countries attempts to expand their healthcare to all its citizens too. Who the hell would do that?


    Duh! Montreal probably hasn't been flooded with Illegal Messicans so that would explain the horrible food. Ooops. That was a little political. Sorry.
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    May 17, 2012 12:11 AM GMT
    mke_bt said
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    catfish5 said
    mke_bt said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.
    Ditto.


    Lovely city. The Habitat 67 apartment building is really cool. Can I still comment on Canadian architecture? I would never be so presumptuous as to opine on Canadian politics but architecture is ok, right?


    The bars there are fun. Stock bar and Campus are my favorite. Everyone is so accepting of gays. Must be nice to have gay rights there. The architecture is lovely too


    My one criticism would be poutine. Not a huge fan. Then again, who gives a rat's ass what I have to say about Canada?


    My criticism was the mexican food. Horrible. But then who am i to criticize. We have awesome Mexican food in Texas. It would be like having socialized medicine with low cost healthcare and easy access to healthcare providers but complaining about another countries attempts to expand their healthcare to all its citizens too. Who the hell would do that?


    Duh! Montreal probably hasn't been flooded with Illegal Messicans so that would explain the horrible food. Ooops. That was a little political. Sorry.


    The chinese food was really good. Have they been flooded with chinese ingrates?
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    May 18, 2012 5:38 AM GMT
    Being in Montreal and a supporter of the student movement, I can say that Riddler is completely clueless on this issue (as he is with almost everything), and will use any means available to his mind to everywhere and always defend profit and power over people. Always. No exceptions.

    He might be whining and crying about tactics that a minority of students use, but the tactics used by the state against the students are widespread, systematic, and far beyond anything the students have or could do. Several students have almost been killed by police: one lost an eye, one is in the hospital with a skull fracture and brain contusion, another lost her teeth (all from being shot in the face with rubber bullets), and another student lost his vision when police shot a concussion grenade at his face. The students have - in the VAST majority - marched peacefully, night after night. There have been over 200 protests in the past 80+ days in Montreal, alone. And time after time, students and supporters are met with riot police charging at us, pepper spraying us, shooting us with tear gas, concussion/flash grenades, smoke bombs, beating us with batons, chasing us and trampling us on horseback, or driving cars and trucks into us... and students have been arrested en masse (over 2,000 in the past three months). The violence committed against the student population is far greater than any acts of vandalism or violent reactions against police brutality.

    Yet, Riddler stated, "these students... get everything that's coming to them."

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    May 18, 2012 5:59 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidBeing in Montreal and a supporter of the student movement, I can say that Riddler is completely clueless on this issue (as he is with almost everything), and will use any means available to his mind to everywhere and always defend profit and power over people. Always. No exceptions.

    He might be whining and crying about tactics that a minority of students use, but the tactics used by the state against the students are widespread, systematic, and far beyond anything the students have or could do. Several students have almost been killed by police: one lost an eye, one is in the hospital with a skull fracture and brain contusion, another lost her teeth (all from being shot in the face with rubber bullets), and another student lost his vision when police shot a concussion grenade at his face. The students have - in the VAST majority - marched peacefully, night after night. There have been over 200 protests in the past 80+ days in Montreal, alone. And time after time, students and supporters are met with riot police charging at us, pepper spraying us, shooting us with tear gas, concussion/flash grenades, smoke bombs, beating us with batons, chasing us and trampling us on horseback, or driving cars and trucks into us... and students have been arrested en masse (over 2,000 in the past three months). The violence committed against the student population is far greater than any acts of vandalism or violent reactions against police brutality.

    Yet, Riddler stated, "these students... get everything that's coming to them."
    Lol - sorry MoM - I'm not the one whining here. I just can't empathize with violent students who are - in your characterization, whining about a minor tuition increase and who feel that they are entitled to free or effectively cost-free education. Further, I cannot empathize with students who would prevent others from attending class and coercively preventing them from pursuing an education.

    I hope these students are expelled. To give others context on this issue, the Quebec government has planned to increase tuition by $325 per year for 5 years. This is a total increase of $1625 per *year* - after which, tuition will still be lower than anywhere in Canada.

    For this, they riot. For achieving an education for which they will benefit most financially and intellectually from, they riot. Certainly as others have pointed out, these are not the accountants, those in science, and technology who will actually earn a return from their studies but those who pursue an education in things like gender studies, sociology and much of the humanities for which society ultimately has little ultimate use for their "skills" which are already in overabundance.

    It is for these reasons I hope they get what's coming to them.
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    May 18, 2012 6:08 AM GMT
    I'm totally with MeOhMy here.

    I might be a little subjective in this debate, since I am from this city.

    I might be subjective in the way that I pay the taxes here, that I am a student here, that I'm not done with my master's degree, yet my debt is growing day after day, and that's INCLUDING my parents help.

    I might also be subjective in the way that I was marching pacifically with 8 friends of mine just yesterday night, in the city, until, very suddenly, without any notice, the police corps dropped the gaz bombs and charged us. Four of my friends, picked randomly, were surrounded by police officers, thrown to the ground, handcuffed, had to wait for several hours in a bus and were liberated only this morning with a 147$ fine.

    I might also be subjective because I'm listening, while writing this, at our government deposing a law that will severely restrain our right to manifest our disapproval with those, excuse me, complete fucktards.

    So yeah, I might be subjective, but at least I know what I'm talking about, I know that I'm still able to think straight, and I can affirm with a single doubt that situation is fucking non-sense.
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    Disasterpiece saidI'm totally with MeOhMy here.

    I might be a little subjective in this debate, since I am from this city.

    I might be subjective in the way that I pay the taxes here, that I am a student here, that I'm not done with my master's degree, yet my debt is growing day after day, and that's INCLUDING my parents help.

    I might also be subjective in the way that I was marching pacifically with 8 friends of mine just yesterday night, in the city, until, very suddenly, without any notice, the police corps dropped the gaz bombs and charged us. Four of my friends, picked randomly, were surrounded by police officers, thrown to the ground, handcuffed, had to wait for several hours in a bus and were liberated only this morning with a 147$ fine.

    I might also be subjective because I'm listening, while writing this, at our government deposing a law that will severely restrain our right to manifest our disapproval with those, excuse me, complete fucktards.

    So yeah, I might be subjective, but at least I know what I'm talking about, I know that I'm still able to think straight, and I can affirm with a single doubt that situation is fucking non-sense.


    My question to you - do you expect to benefit from your education? Do you think that you will earn more significantly more than if you didn't have the education?

    if yes, then why shouldn't you borrow to finance your investment? If no, why would you suppose Quebec/Canadian taxpayers should finance your personal pursuit for knowledge, however admirable?
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    May 18, 2012 6:26 AM GMT
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    Disasterpiece saidI'm totally with MeOhMy here.

    I might be a little subjective in this debate, since I am from this city.

    I might be subjective in the way that I pay the taxes here, that I am a student here, that I'm not done with my master's degree, yet my debt is growing day after day, and that's INCLUDING my parents help.

    I might also be subjective in the way that I was marching pacifically with 8 friends of mine just yesterday night, in the city, until, very suddenly, without any notice, the police corps dropped the gaz bombs and charged us. Four of my friends, picked randomly, were surrounded by police officers, thrown to the ground, handcuffed, had to wait for several hours in a bus and were liberated only this morning with a 147$ fine.

    I might also be subjective because I'm listening, while writing this, at our government deposing a law that will severely restrain our right to manifest our disapproval with those, excuse me, complete fucktards.

    So yeah, I might be subjective, but at least I know what I'm talking about, I know that I'm still able to think straight, and I can affirm with a single doubt that situation is fucking non-sense.


    My question to you - do you expect to benefit from your education? Do you think that you will earn more significantly more than if you didn't have the education?

    if yes, then why shouldn't you borrow to finance your investment? If no, why would you suppose Quebec/Canadian taxpayers should finance your personal pursuit for knowledge, however admirable?


    That's not a real question, and you know it, but I will answer anyways since you asked.

    Yes I will benefit from my education, and I'm well lucky that I can afford one. Unfortunately, it's not the case for everyone of my fellow citizens. Moreover, this hike is not going to affect me since I'll be done with my master's degree by the end of the year. Hence, I'm fighting not with the fear of paying 1625$ (if you followed the debate more closely, you would've realized already that the protest has nothing to do with money anymore), but with the fear that the social justice, the universal right for education our fathers and mothers have been fighting for in the past centuries is in danger.

    And to be honest, I'm a student in history. I'm not gonna earn that much in my life, and I know it (nothing compared, at least, to our . Still, I made that choice because I know that society needs historians, it needs people to remind them the errors of the past... And since I've made that choice to offer this to my society for my whole life, at the sacrifice of a possibly wealthier lifestyle, I expect that they help me learn to help them back.

    We haven't asked ANYONE to pay more. We're actually asking that BEFORE actually asking anyone to pay more (students, taxpayers or private donors), we should see how the present money is managed and invested and find a better way to do it.
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    Disasterpiece saidThat's not a real question, and you know it, but I will answer anyways since you asked.

    Yes I will benefit from my education, and I'm well lucky that I can afford one. Unfortunately, it's not the case for everyone of my fellow citizens. Moreover, this hike is not going to affect me since I'll be done with my master's degree by the end of the year. Hence, I'm fighting not with the fear of paying 1625$ (if you followed the debate more closely, you would've realized already that the protest has nothing to do with money anymore), but with the fear that the social justice, the universal right for education our fathers and mothers have been fighting for in the past centuries is in danger.

    And to be honest, I'm a student in history. I'm not gonna earn that much in my life, and I know it (nothing compared, at least, to our . Still, I made that choice because I know that society needs historians, it needs people to remind them the errors of the past... And since I've made that choice to offer this to my society for my whole life, at the sacrifice of a possibly wealthier lifestyle, I expect that they help me learn to help them back.

    We haven't asked ANYONE to pay more. We're actually asking that BEFORE actually asking anyone to pay more (students, taxpayers or private donors), we should see how the present money is managed and invested and find a better way to do it.


    It was actually a legitimate question. You can attempt to paint the issue in whatever noble purpose you'd like but it is about a tuition increase and it is about asking students to pay for just a fraction of the cost of education they receive.

    It's commendable that you are pursuing history or whatever pursuit you'd like but why should the rest of society pay for what you claim is your sacrifice and personal preference? That may sound harsh, but there are many historians already, the fact that it's difficult for new historians to find jobs is because specifically the reason that we already do have those who remind us of the errors of our past.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to both ask students to pay a fraction of the cost of their education AND look at the costs of providing that education that are already less than much of the rest of North America. I also respect your right to protest but when it comes down to actively and coercively preventing others from pursuing an education, I believe those who do so should be expelled and removed by force if necessary.
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    May 18, 2012 6:34 AM GMT
    Also, it would be wonderfully helpful if the Quebec government stopped giving multi-billion dollar subsidies to multi-billion dollar multinational mining companies to exploit resources in the North (pushing aside First Nations peoples in the process), and further, it would also be helpful if the Quebec government stopped handing massive public contracts - two or three times their value - to Mafia-owned businesses (the Mafia controls the construction industry in Quebec and gets 80% of construction contracts), charging 2 or 3 times their worth, then doing shoddy construction that falls apart, and with the extra money, throw fundraisers for our politicians, like Line Beauchamp, our former Education Minister who was imposing the tuition hike, who previously attended a fundraiser for herself at which a known Mafioso gave her a lot of donations. She quit this week in disgrace.

    So yes, if our government decided that funding education was more important than funding the Mafia, there would be no need for increased taxes. But our government has set out to punish and oppress organized students while it supports and funds organized crime.
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    May 18, 2012 10:39 AM GMT
    These students must not fall into violent protest, it i a provocation trap. I knowicon_eek.gif
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    May 18, 2012 1:45 PM GMT
    Their value-to the Mafia state-owned enterprise (the Mafia control in Quebec's construction industry, and to get 80% of the construction project contract), charging 2 or 3 times their own value, then do shoddy school projects apart, with the money, throw our politician, the education minister before us, be to impose tuition fees rise, who has attended the own fundraising activities, in which a known the Mafia gave her a lot of line than che's fundraising, the donation. She quit the humiliation of this week. So, yes, if our government decide to fund education of the Mafia is more important than money, it is necessary to increase taxeswww.50centsloseweight.com
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    May 18, 2012 7:07 PM GMT
    free_mind12 saidThese students must not fall into violent protest, it i a provocation trap. I knowicon_eek.gif


    The government is actually voting a "special law" that will give the police the right to assign a fine of 1000-5000$ to anyone who participates, organizes or even encourages in a protest of more than 25 people without a 8h notice of the number of people, the itinerary, etc. Bitch, please?

    They might also be able to accuse people through their tweets.

    God damn it, wearing the red square might be illegal in the frame of this in-fucking-credible law.

    So yeah, talk about staying calm ? This shit cray.
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    May 18, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
    It's Canada. Who cares?
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    May 18, 2012 7:22 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidIt's Canada. Who cares?


    Probably not the US, you have enough with your own shit.
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    May 18, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
    Disasterpiece said, " We're actually asking that BEFORE actually asking anyone to pay more (students, taxpayers or private donors), we should see how the present money is managed and invested and find a better way to do it."

    Interestingly, that's the battle cry of many conservatives over gov't spending and taxes, so it is amusing to see riddler arguing with you.

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    May 18, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidIve been to Montreal. Its a nice city. But i will stay out of any discussion about canadian govt since im not canadian.


    I disagree. Sometimes the view from outside the box lends valuable perspective to those in it.