Did you know that Israel is still occupying Saudi Arabian islands

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    May 17, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/middle-east/1034-israel-is-still-occupying-saudi-arabian-islands

    The article explains that the two islands are located at the southern end of the Gulf of Aqaba, leading to the Red Sea. Tiran Island, which has an area of about 80 square kilometers, is located at the inflow of the Straits of Tiran. Sanafir Island, with an area of 33 square kilometers, also lies to the east of Tiran.

    Saudi Arabia, Gulf countries and the Western states have kept silent for decades regarding the occupation of two Saudi western islands by the "Israeli" regime. According to the source, "Israeli" forces occupied Saudi Arabia's Tiran and Sanafir Islands in 1967.
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    May 18, 2012 3:33 AM GMT
    I have to wonder what part the US is playing in this occupation. Or what part the US plays in keeping it quiet, perhaps the US gives some money to the Saudi's to keep them placated as the US did with Egypt for so long to keep them happy in spite of being next to Israels unfairness to the Gazans at their border.

    Were these island inhabited and if so were those original people treated as the Palestinians have been treated ? I have never read of this before.
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    May 18, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    So, what ?
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    May 18, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidSo, what ?

    So Israel is evil, evil, evil.
    Or so IanCT wants to convince the sheeple... damn the facts.

    Fact of the matter is that his claim - like so many others - is FALSE.

    Israel withdrew in 1982.
    Both of these islands are administered by EGYPT.
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    May 18, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    Above the LIL'AIPAC, accuses someone of trying to misslead the 'sheeple', as usual with the far right and with Zionist zealots, they accuse others of what they themselves do as standard practice. Its their best method of spreading propaganda.

    Here is the story in print IanCT started this topic about, lets see the Pain in this LIL'AIPAC's proof that he isn't the one trying to misslead. Here's the facts as IanCT said.

    It is a fairly well kept secret that Israel has been occupying parts of Saudi Arabia since 1967. Tiran and Sanafir are two islands with a combined area of 113 square kilometres, so they are small, and are in a very strategic location at the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba, through which sea traffic to Israel's southern port of Eilat must pass en route to and from the Red Sea. Israel maintains an early warning post on the islands.

    Although the Saudi Arabian government might claim that the islands are small, unimportant coral reef islands, their position is such that whoever controls them controls the Gulf of Aqaba. They are as important as the Hanish archipelago at the other end of the Red Sea over which a conflict raged in 1995. International arbitration determined that Hanish belongs to Yemen. The Israeli occupation of Tiran and Sanafir determines that, if nothing else, the Israelis control the islands and don't really care who they belong to. Saudi Arabia has fought for similar islands but seems to be reluctant to challenge the Israeli occupation. Is it because the islands have no material value?

    The islands were occupied by Israel after the late King Faisal had given control of them to Egypt to prevent Israeli ships being able to get to Eilat during the Six-Day War. After the ceasefire, Saudi Arabia and Egypt each claimed that the islands belonged to the other, leaving them free for the Israeli occupation to begin. When Egypt made peace with Israel in 1978, President Anwar Sadat refused to include them in the peace agreement, arguing that they belong to Saudi Arabia. A computer search reveals that even Google labels them as "Saudi Arabia" and maps of the country in governmental offices show clearly that they are Saudi territory, so why the reluctance to challenge Israel, and why is there a media blackout?

    It's quite simple: Israel needs an outlet to the Red Sea for its shipping. The only Israeli presence on the islands is military to ensure that the shipping lanes are kept clear for its imports and exports, including military hardware to fight against Arab states. By international agreement, a multinational UN force is also stationed on the islands which "monitors the compliance of all parties" with this agreement. In reality, this means that American and Egyptian troops help to protect Israel's shipping lanes through the Straits of Tiran, Saudi Arabia's occupied sovereign territory. What would the people of Saudi Arabia say if they knew?



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    LIL'AIPAC (w4) Where's your proof that this isn't the reality on the ground ? PROOVE YOURSELF !!!


    LIL'AIPAC wrote that IanCT wants everyone to believe Israel is EVIL. EVIL, EVIL.

    Here's three evils

    1. Israel is in the process of building settlements for Israeli's on Occupied Palestinians Territory. which is against International law. (this was addressed by the EU, just last week when Germany, France and England came down on Israel over the Issue which is a block to Peace)

    2. The far right LIKUD Israeli Leadership were attempting to legalize settlements being built on known Palestinians land. ( The likuds backed off this effort the other day out of fear of losing favor with the US and the UN/EU)

    3. Israel has been holding thousands of Palestinians on "administrative" "indefinate detentions", Over a thousand of these undemocratically held Prisoners went on a hunger strike bringing attention to their plight before the international Community. Israel backed down out of embarassment.

    LIL'AIPAC likes to hide these Evils, Would he like to dispute whether or not these 'EVILS' are factual about Israels actions ?


    WE ARE WAITING FOR YOUR PROOF LIL'AIPAC, of course you will probably ignore this because you cannot dispute the facts, there isn't enough of your godam Zionist Zealot Propaganda to dispute these facts IS THERE ?
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    May 18, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
    These islands are included in "Zone C" of the Camp David Accords.

    For further edification, see (especially pages 98-99 and citation 99 at the bottom of page 104):

    The Strait of Tiran, the Gulf of Aqaba, and the 1979 Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel
    The American Journal of International Law
    Vol. 77, No. 1 (Jan., 1983), pp. 84-108
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    May 19, 2012 1:48 AM GMT
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    realifedad said Above the LIL'AIPAC, accuses someone of trying to misslead the 'sheeple', as usual with the far right and with Zionist zealots, they accuse others of what they themselves do as standard practice. Its their best method of spreading propaganda.

    Here is the story in print IanCT started this topic about, lets see the Pain in this LIL'AIPAC's proof that he isn't the one trying to misslead. Here's the facts as IanCT said.

    It is a fairly well kept secret that Israel has been occupying parts of Saudi Arabia since 1967. Tiran and Sanafir are two islands with a combined area of 113 square kilometres, so they are small, and are in a very strategic location at the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba, through which sea traffic to Israel's southern port of Eilat must pass en route to and from the Red Sea. Israel maintains an early warning post on the islands.

    Although the Saudi Arabian government might claim that the islands are small, unimportant coral reef islands, their position is such that whoever controls them controls the Gulf of Aqaba. They are as important as the Hanish archipelago at the other end of the Red Sea over which a conflict raged in 1995. International arbitration determined that Hanish belongs to Yemen. The Israeli occupation of Tiran and Sanafir determines that, if nothing else, the Israelis control the islands and don't really care who they belong to. Saudi Arabia has fought for similar islands but seems to be reluctant to challenge the Israeli occupation. Is it because the islands have no material value?

    The islands were occupied by Israel after the late King Faisal had given control of them to Egypt to prevent Israeli ships being able to get to Eilat during the Six-Day War. After the ceasefire, Saudi Arabia and Egypt each claimed that the islands belonged to the other, leaving them free for the Israeli occupation to begin. When Egypt made peace with Israel in 1978, President Anwar Sadat refused to include them in the peace agreement, arguing that they belong to Saudi Arabia. A computer search reveals that even Google labels them as "Saudi Arabia" and maps of the country in governmental offices show clearly that they are Saudi territory, so why the reluctance to challenge Israel, and why is there a media blackout?

    It's quite simple: Israel needs an outlet to the Red Sea for its shipping. The only Israeli presence on the islands is military to ensure that the shipping lanes are kept clear for its imports and exports, including military hardware to fight against Arab states. By international agreement, a multinational UN force is also stationed on the islands which "monitors the compliance of all parties" with this agreement. In reality, this means that American and Egyptian troops help to protect Israel's shipping lanes through the Straits of Tiran, Saudi Arabia's occupied sovereign territory. What would the people of Saudi Arabia say if they knew?



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    LIL'AIPAC (w4) Where's your proof that this isn't the reality on the ground ? PROOVE YOURSELF !!!


    LIL'AIPAC wrote that IanCT wants everyone to believe Israel is EVIL. EVIL, EVIL.

    Here's three evils

    1. Israel is in the process of building settlements for Israeli's on Occupied Palestinians Territory. which is against International law. (this was addressed by the EU, just last week when Germany, France and England came down on Israel over the Issue which is a block to Peace)

    2. The far right LIKUD Israeli Leadership were attempting to legalize settlements being built on known Palestinians land. ( The likuds backed off this effort the other day out of fear of losing favor with the US and the UN/EU)

    3. Israel has been holding thousands of Palestinians on "administrative" "indefinate detentions", Over a thousand of these undemocratically held Prisoners went on a hunger strike bringing attention to their plight before the international Community. Israel backed down out of embarassment.

    LIL'AIPAC likes to hide these Evils, Would he like to dispute whether or not these 'EVILS' are factual about Israels actions ?


    WE ARE WAITING FOR YOUR PROOF LIL'AIPAC, of course you will probably ignore this because you cannot dispute the facts, there isn't enough of your godam Zionist Zealot Propaganda to dispute these facts IS THERE ?


    well said man. :-) I hope he learns his lesson.
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    May 19, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
    realifedad said
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    realifedad said Above the LIL'AIPAC, accuses someone of trying to misslead the 'sheeple', as usual with the far right and with Zionist zealots, they accuse others of what they themselves do as standard practice. Its their best method of spreading propaganda.

    Here is the story in print IanCT started this topic about, lets see the Pain in this LIL'AIPAC's proof that he isn't the one trying to misslead. Here's the facts as IanCT said.

    It is a fairly well kept secret that Israel has been occupying parts of Saudi Arabia since 1967. Tiran and Sanafir are two islands with a combined area of 113 square kilometres, so they are small, and are in a very strategic location at the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba, through which sea traffic to Israel's southern port of Eilat must pass en route to and from the Red Sea. Israel maintains an early warning post on the islands.

    Although the Saudi Arabian government might claim that the islands are small, unimportant coral reef islands, their position is such that whoever controls them controls the Gulf of Aqaba. They are as important as the Hanish archipelago at the other end of the Red Sea over which a conflict raged in 1995. International arbitration determined that Hanish belongs to Yemen. The Israeli occupation of Tiran and Sanafir determines that, if nothing else, the Israelis control the islands and don't really care who they belong to. Saudi Arabia has fought for similar islands but seems to be reluctant to challenge the Israeli occupation. Is it because the islands have no material value?

    The islands were occupied by Israel after the late King Faisal had given control of them to Egypt to prevent Israeli ships being able to get to Eilat during the Six-Day War. After the ceasefire, Saudi Arabia and Egypt each claimed that the islands belonged to the other, leaving them free for the Israeli occupation to begin. When Egypt made peace with Israel in 1978, President Anwar Sadat refused to include them in the peace agreement, arguing that they belong to Saudi Arabia. A computer search reveals that even Google labels them as "Saudi Arabia" and maps of the country in governmental offices show clearly that they are Saudi territory, so why the reluctance to challenge Israel, and why is there a media blackout?

    It's quite simple: Israel needs an outlet to the Red Sea for its shipping. The only Israeli presence on the islands is military to ensure that the shipping lanes are kept clear for its imports and exports, including military hardware to fight against Arab states. By international agreement, a multinational UN force is also stationed on the islands which "monitors the compliance of all parties" with this agreement. In reality, this means that American and Egyptian troops help to protect Israel's shipping lanes through the Straits of Tiran, Saudi Arabia's occupied sovereign territory. What would the people of Saudi Arabia say if they knew?



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    LIL'AIPAC (w4) Where's your proof that this isn't the reality on the ground ? PROOVE YOURSELF !!!


    LIL'AIPAC wrote that IanCT wants everyone to believe Israel is EVIL. EVIL, EVIL.

    Here's three evils

    1. Israel is in the process of building settlements for Israeli's on Occupied Palestinians Territory. which is against International law. (this was addressed by the EU, just last week when Germany, France and England came down on Israel over the Issue which is a block to Peace)

    2. The far right LIKUD Israeli Leadership were attempting to legalize settlements being built on known Palestinians land. ( The likuds backed off this effort the other day out of fear of losing favor with the US and the UN/EU)

    3. Israel has been holding thousands of Palestinians on "administrative" "indefinate detentions", Over a thousand of these undemocratically held Prisoners went on a hunger strike bringing attention to their plight before the international Community. Israel backed down out of embarassment.

    LIL'AIPAC likes to hide these Evils, Would he like to dispute whether or not these 'EVILS' are factual about Israels actions ?


    WE ARE WAITING FOR YOUR PROOF LIL'AIPAC, of course you will probably ignore this because you cannot dispute the facts, there isn't enough of your godam Zionist Zealot Propaganda to dispute these facts IS THERE ?


    well said man. :-) I hope he learns his lesson.




    Note the Propagandist LIL'AIPAC at fist said "Israel withdrew in 1982" now he says "these Islands are included in 'zone C' of the Camp David accords" He doesn't mention that the EU led by Germany, France and Brittain mentioned the abuse of Palestinian rights in Zone C even the destruction of the EU's work to benefit the Palestinians in that zone.

    Is this how the Pain in the Ass Zionist Zeolot proposes to make excuses for Israel's 'control' of these Islands, by the example of what the Israeli's do in Zone C ?

    Note that he didn't dispute any of the Evils I listed that the International Bodies recently leveled harsh criticism of Israels actions against peace with the Palestinians over. HMMM !!! I think If I couldnt come up with better justification than LIL'AIPAC did, I'd either shut up or apologise for my misstatements.
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    JPtheBITCH saidI particularly like the quotes around "Israeli", as though that wasn't the country's legitimate name.

    Oh, wait. Ian thinks it isn't,

    Never mind.


    do you prefer isra-hell? i have no problem with that. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 19, 2012 4:52 AM GMT
    SxyDrkHair saidI am not surprised Ian. Israel occupying Syria, Shebaa Farm Lebanon, and Saudi Arabian Islands.

    Did you know Palestinians and Israelis now have 2 states inside 1 state?

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=487045

    "Look at the facts on the ground," Tafakji said last week as he reviewed maps of Israeli towns and infrastructure, which the United Nations deems illegal on occupied land: "There is no geographic contiguity between Palestinian villages and cities," he said. "They have expanded settlements, built bridges and tunnels. We now have two states inside one state."


    thanks. i guess "israeli settlers" make that happen? lol
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    May 19, 2012 6:57 AM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    IanCT said
    JPtheBITCH saidI particularly like the quotes around "Israeli", as though that wasn't the country's legitimate name.

    Oh, wait. Ian thinks it isn't,

    Never mind.


    do you prefer isra-hell? i have no problem with that. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I prefer that you not be childish.
    But that's probably asking too much.


    LOL you are a funny old man.
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    May 19, 2012 8:05 AM GMT
    yep, and the Brits still "occupy" the Malvinas/Falklands.
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    May 19, 2012 8:12 AM GMT
    But not "and".

    The claim in this topic is FALSE.
    It is advanced for one purpose, to (damn the facts, for-the-cause) demonize Israel.

    As already noted:

    Israel withdrew in 1982 - 30 years ago!!
    Both of these islands are administered by EGYPT.


    These islands were included in "Zone C" of the Camp David Accords.
    (Not to be confused, for-the-cause, with zones established after the Oslo Accords.)

    For further edification, see (especially pages 98-99 and citation 99 at the bottom of page 104):

    The Strait of Tiran, the Gulf of Aqaba, and the 1979 Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel
    The American Journal of International Law
    Vol. 77, No. 1 (Jan., 1983), pp. 84-108
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    May 19, 2012 8:43 AM GMT
    IanCT said
    JPtheBITCH said
    IanCT said
    JPtheBITCH saidI particularly like the quotes around "Israeli", as though that wasn't the country's legitimate name.

    Oh, wait. Ian thinks it isn't,

    Never mind.


    do you prefer isra-hell? i have no problem with that. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I prefer that you not be childish.
    But that's probably asking too much.


    LOL you are a funny old man.


    You know for a bitter old bitchy queen, one of our Senor Citizens here at RJ, he is a funny old man; but sadly at his advanced years, dementia may well be settling in too.
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    May 19, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
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    Pouncer saidIran doesn't occupy one country, let alone three plus a foreign territory.
    Iran doesn't possess nuclear weapons, let alone 150 undeclared ones.
    Iran isn't refusing to define its borders, let alone expanding unilaterally at another people's expense.
    Iran doesn't drop bombs or fire artillery munitions at people it doesn't like, let alone at civilians.
    Iran isn't disliked by the people of the region, let alone almost universally so.

    And Iran is considered (correctly) a bad example of a society that respects human rights!
    Indeed, what does this say for the "only democracy in the Middle East"?


    Sorry Pouncer, I have to disagree with you.

    Iran occupied U.A.E. three small Islands and some Arab lands in southeastern part of Iran - Khuzestan.
    khuzestanflag.jpg

    Do you remember those two innocent gay Iranians that was hang by Iranian regime? They were Arabs from Khuzestan.

    What do you mean "two"? They executed another five just this week.




    You know as well as I do JP that you strongly disagree with Israel on the Issues that Pouncer sites, regardless of what Iran does or does not do, they aren't the ones posing as the Middle Easts Shining example of Demorcracy. It is Israel with their feet down on a whole people over a godam bible story about some Abraham promising land 3000 years ago in spite of today's facts on the ground that it belongs to the Palestinians, not Israeli's.

    You know as well as I do that its Israels leadership that has historically and even now are pushing these wrongs to take a peoples lands for their Fanatic Zionist pipe dreams of 'Israel to the Jordan'. Your against this, why don't you speak up ?

    Israel exists as a homeland for the Israeli's, which is fine and good and has been accepted even by the Palestinians, but it does not exist for the purpose of continued taking of anothers land regardless of antiquated bible stories does it The EU and the UN has come down hard on Israel over this and rightfully so.

    When are you going to speak out against this crap ? Your against it too and you know you are, Why not just be honest with us, none of us are threatening to 'destroy Israel', so what is your fear about going against what you know damn well Israel is doing against any possibility of Peace from their continued theft of land? Don't get trapped by sticking with 'the brother' LIL'AIPAC for what little gain you'll get from his discredited propaganda.

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    When is LIL'AIPAC going to address those "EVILS" he he derided ? Facts have a habit of getting in the way of Zionist Zealot Propaganda don't they LIL'AIPAC ?

    As for your Islands you dispute you haven't yet disputed the article Ian started with, all you've done is promoted more of your damn propaganda.
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    May 19, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
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    Israel exists as a homeland for the Israeli's, which is fine and good and has been accepted even by the Palestinians

    Um, no. It has never been 'accepted' by the Palestinians. They are still routinely taught that there is no Israel. You cannot buy a map in an Arab country that shows the existence of Israel. The entire area is labeled 'Palestine'.


    Wrong... Palestinians accept there is Israel and right to exist. They believe Israel is their homeland. Just like how you Israelis believe the West Bank belongs to you guys too.
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    May 19, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    JPtheBITCH said
    realifedad said
    Israel exists as a homeland for the Israeli's, which is fine and good and has been accepted even by the Palestinians

    Um, no. It has never been 'accepted' by the Palestinians. They are still routinely taught that there is no Israel. You cannot buy a map in an Arab country that shows the existence of Israel. The entire area is labeled 'Palestine'.





    JP ~!!!! where do you get such beliefs, you know damn well Palestine accept Israels existence. Of course NetanYahoo has added the words about Israel being a Jewish State. Which is about as legitimate as the US making everyone acknowledge that it is a "Christian State", Otherwise, yes Palestine has accepted Israels existence, Abbas even re-iterated it in his bid for UN acceptance.

    Did LIL'AIPAC convince you of this ? Come on JP, you know better. After all LIL'AIPAC just like his father believes that Palestinians homeland is in Jordan. Did you read his fathers article about "Why should Palestinians have a second homeland ? LIL'AIPAC has gone to great length to prove that Palestinians have no homeland in 'The West Bank'. then talks out the other side of his mouth regarding 'clinton parameters'. LOL He also thinks building more and more settlements in the west bank is not a block to peace. Do you believe all this bullshit of LIL'AIPAC's too ?

    LIL'AIPAC is no better than the russian Thug turned Israeli 'Lieberman' and other such Zionist Zealot Propagandists. I would think you'd want to promote peace rather than these Propaganda stories such as the often proven false "Palestine still hasn't accepted Israel's existence".
  • MelB4Ever

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    May 19, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    This thread is stupid. Israel is awesome. Thank you!
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    MelB4Ever saidThis thread is stupid. Israel is awesome. Thank you!








    There are some "AWESOME" things about Israel, but it would be a hell of a lot "AWESOMER", minus the Occupation of places that does not belong to it, most notably 'occupying' the West Bank and trying to take as much as they possibly can through settlements for the sake of stealing as much of Palestinians homeland as possible, because some Ancient bible story says "GOD GAVE IT TO THE JEWS". Which is bullshit !! Israel has a homeland and bygod its time they let Palestinians have theirs in the West Bank.
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    May 20, 2012 10:16 AM GMT
    My answer is really simple on this subject. When the Jews are able to go back to their native homelands where they lived for thousands of years..if not more and I'm talking about the Middle East that is now the Arab countries. If they can go back there and live there peacefully and get their land back and treated fairly by the government then I'll consider the whole situation with settlement but until then I really don't want to be bothered.

    To Pouner: You don't even know what your talking about. Yes I'm from Soviet Union and From Uzbekistan to be exact which is a Muslim country. It has been an independent country for about 20 years already. I'm a Bukharian Jew and we were basically a minority there. Only 150,000 to 200,000 people. We even though we shared some of the Muslim traditions..we always kept our own unique traditions and always practiced Judaism. We look different too, our physical features are different then that of Uzbeks. Uzbeks have more central Asian features while we look more Persian/Arabic/Turkish/Israeli. A lot of men from my background resemble Israeli/Turkish look and also our native language is not Uzbek. We have our own language which is Persian dialect mixed in with Hebrew roots. Plus I'm the only one that's light skinned out of all people of my background.
    I personally believe in the whole lost tribes of Israeli theory.
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    May 20, 2012 10:32 AM GMT
    Israel is awesome to me because it's the only Jewish country in the world and I can relate to that because I'm Jewish myself. I'm also very fascinated by the different Jewish cultures and the diversity within Israel. Another thing that makes want to visit Israel is the gay culture there especially in Tel Aviv. I mean my sexual orientation don't define me completely, it's just one part of me but I want to live in a place where I feel safe being gay. I'm planning to visit Israel next month for the first time and I'm really excited.
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    MelB4Ever saidMy answer is really simple on this subject. When the Jews are able to go back to their native homelands where they lived for thousands of years..if not more and I'm talking about the Middle East that is now the Arab countries. If they can go back there and live there peacefully and get their land back and treated fairly by the government then I'll consider the whole situation with settlement but until then I really don't want to be bothered.

    To Pouner: You don't even know what your talking about. Yes I'm from Soviet Union and From Uzbekistan to be exact which is a Muslim country. It has been an independent country for about 20 years already. I'm a Bukharian Jew and we were basically a minority there. Only 150,000 to 200,000 people. We even though we shared some of the Muslim traditions..we always kept our own unique traditions and always practiced Judaism. We look different too, our physical features are different then that of Uzbeks. Uzbeks have more central Asian features while we look more Persian/Arabic/Turkish/Israeli. A lot of men from my background resemble Israeli/Turkish look and also our native language is not Uzbek. We have our own language which is Persian dialect mixed in with Hebrew roots. Plus I'm the only one that's light skinned out of all people of my background.
    I personally believe in the whole lost tribes of Israeli theory.



    I'm sure you are proud of your heritage and rightfully so, I think its very interesting and something well worth preserving.


    However, your top paragraph appears to deny this same heritage preservation from the Palestinians ?

    Why in the world knowing how you feel about your background would you deny the same to palestinians in the West bank and East Jerusalem ?

    Bible stories about Abrahams promises or not, the Palestinians have historical roots on the lands where they are and that should be honored just like you want homelands honored for Jews. Why not be fair and promote the end to building settlements on Occupied land, expecially since it is against international law and is a block to peace. Treat others as you would want to be treated. Jews cannot make biblical claims to all those lands against the rights of those who have lived on that land for centuries.(specifically the west bank and East Jerusalem)
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    May 21, 2012 4:30 AM GMT
    The claim in this topic is FALSE.
    It is advanced for one purpose, to (damn the facts, for-the-cause) demonize Israel.


    As already noted:

    Israel withdrew in 1982 - 30 years ago!!
    Both of these islands are administered by EGYPT.

    These islands were included in "Zone C" of the Camp David Accords (1978 ).
    Not to be confused, for-the-cause, with zones established after the Oslo Accords (1993).

    For further edification, see (especially pages 98-99 and citation 99 at the bottom of page 104):

    The Strait of Tiran, the Gulf of Aqaba, and the 1979 Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel
    The American Journal of International Law
    Vol. 77, No. 1 (Jan., 1983), pp. 84-108

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    spam propagandists> [silence]

    Well, not really silence - they simply move on to new lies to demonize Israel.


    If IanCT had any integrity (to the truth, that is, rather than to his unholy cause), if he wanted to prove that his purpose here wasn't to foment more hate, he'd correct the topic to "CORRECTION: Israel is NOT occupying Saudi Arabian islands".
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    May 21, 2012 11:43 AM GMT
    Even if true, it's rather hard to feel any sympathy for the rotten Saudi state.