Leadership: Black support for marriage equality jumps following Obama's lead

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    May 18, 2012 3:51 PM GMT
    The Atlantic
    CNN ran countless segments over the weekend capturing the opinions of black clergy and their parishioners on both sides, and Michael Eric Dyson broke into an impassioned monologue on MSNBC challenging black pastors and a few of his media colleagues to "stop using their Bibles to co-sign bigotry."

    The ripple effect of Obama's evolution also moved beyond the black church into uncharted territory, such as the massively influential hip hop, film, and sports arenas. Celebrities like Jay-Z, Will Smith, T.I., and Floyd Mayweather were inspired to join the president and vocalize their support for marriage equality.

    This is huge: Straight black men are publicly endorsing same-sex marriage. Now if that doesn't signify a seismic shift in the black community, I don't know what does...

    In fact, we're already seeing movement. An ABC News/Washington Post poll released this week found that 54 percent of blacks support the president's stance. It also shows an uptick in support for marriage equality among blacks by about 13 percent since last year, suggesting that, for some, allegiance to Obama may have prompted a rethink on the issue itself.
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    May 18, 2012 4:13 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    The Atlantic
    CNN ran countless segments over the weekend capturing the opinions of black clergy and their parishioners on both sides, and Michael Eric Dyson broke into an impassioned monologue on MSNBC challenging black pastors and a few of his media colleagues to "stop using their Bibles to co-sign bigotry."

    The ripple effect of Obama's evolution also moved beyond the black church into uncharted territory, such as the massively influential hip hop, film, and sports arenas. Celebrities like Jay-Z, Will Smith, T.I., and Floyd Mayweather were inspired to join the president and vocalize their support for marriage equality.

    This is huge: Straight black men are publicly endorsing same-sex marriage. Now if that doesn't signify a seismic shift in the black community, I don't know what does...

    In fact, we're already seeing movement. An ABC News/Washington Post poll released this week found that 54 percent of blacks support the president's stance. It also shows an uptick in support for marriage equality among blacks by about 13 percent since last year, suggesting that, for some, allegiance to Obama may have prompted a rethink on the issue itself.


    Conservative Response to this:

    Obviously, they are just evolving for political reasons...they don't actually believe it. This doesn't mean a thing - the blacks are just trying to use the gays by saying they support gay marriage.

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    May 18, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    nanidesukedo said

    Conservative Response to this:

    Obviously, they are just evolving for political reasons...they don't actually believe it. This doesn't mean a thing - the blacks are just trying to use the gays by saying they support gay marriage.



    The right-wing hope is that hatred of gays will drive homophobes to the polls against Obama and against marriage equality.

    On the contrary, the President's stance will help change hearts and minds, prompt straight supporters of gays to speak out, and move people to support the freedom and equality of gay Americans.

    Leaders > bigots.
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    May 18, 2012 5:54 PM GMT
    If President Obama desires a second term, then pro-gay marriage stance is indeed both brave and crazy-that's lost votes from the Latino Community for a start.

    It is too true that these days a person cannot hold to the traditional idea of marriage without being kicked around as heartless and intransigent.

    Though the matter id one largely of definition, and conservatism is wrongly accused of being callus.
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    May 18, 2012 6:57 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidIt is too true that these days a person cannot hold to the traditional idea of marriage without being kicked around as heartless and intransigent.


    Of course it's true that people cannot hold to bigoted views without being kicked around as bigots. People could not hold to traditional views of slavery, either, because over time, people tend to embrace freedom and quality and dislike bigoted, hateful traditions.
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    May 19, 2012 4:24 AM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidIf President Obama desires a second term, then pro-gay marriage stance is indeed both brave and crazy-that's lost votes from the Latino Community for a start.

    It is too true that these days a person cannot hold to the traditional idea of marriage without being kicked around as heartless and intransigent.

    Though the matter id one largely of definition, and conservatism is wrongly accused of being callus.


    They're called callous because most of the bans on gay marriage were used by Karl Rove as ways to get conservative Christians to the polls in record numbers. It was used in both of Bush's elections as a red meat issue.

    Heartless is a pretty good definition of denying others the rights you yourself enjoy, on nothing more than your fears and preconceptions of LGBT people.
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    May 19, 2012 4:27 AM GMT
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    TroyAthlete said
    The Atlantic
    CNN ran countless segments over the weekend capturing the opinions of black clergy and their parishioners on both sides, and Michael Eric Dyson broke into an impassioned monologue on MSNBC challenging black pastors and a few of his media colleagues to "stop using their Bibles to co-sign bigotry."

    The ripple effect of Obama's evolution also moved beyond the black church into uncharted territory, such as the massively influential hip hop, film, and sports arenas. Celebrities like Jay-Z, Will Smith, T.I., and Floyd Mayweather were inspired to join the president and vocalize their support for marriage equality.

    This is huge: Straight black men are publicly endorsing same-sex marriage. Now if that doesn't signify a seismic shift in the black community, I don't know what does...

    In fact, we're already seeing movement. An ABC News/Washington Post poll released this week found that 54 percent of blacks support the president's stance. It also shows an uptick in support for marriage equality among blacks by about 13 percent since last year, suggesting that, for some, allegiance to Obama may have prompted a rethink on the issue itself.


    Conservative Response to this:

    Obviously, they are just evolving for political reasons...they don't actually believe it. This doesn't mean a thing - the blacks are just trying to use the gays by saying they support gay marriage.



    I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. "Use the gays"? How? What exactly are they gaining?

    *Edit: I think, judging by your previous posts, you're being sarcastic. Anyhoo.
  • dc415

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    May 19, 2012 4:34 AM GMT
    I really am surprised (and glad) that Obama has come out in support of this...

    by the way, there's no such thing as "traditional marriage" (read this article):

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/there-is-no-such-thing-as-traditional-marriage/
  • nanidesukedo

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    May 19, 2012 5:59 AM GMT
    north_runner said
    nanidesukedo said
    TroyAthlete said
    The Atlantic
    CNN ran countless segments over the weekend capturing the opinions of black clergy and their parishioners on both sides, and Michael Eric Dyson broke into an impassioned monologue on MSNBC challenging black pastors and a few of his media colleagues to "stop using their Bibles to co-sign bigotry."

    The ripple effect of Obama's evolution also moved beyond the black church into uncharted territory, such as the massively influential hip hop, film, and sports arenas. Celebrities like Jay-Z, Will Smith, T.I., and Floyd Mayweather were inspired to join the president and vocalize their support for marriage equality.

    This is huge: Straight black men are publicly endorsing same-sex marriage. Now if that doesn't signify a seismic shift in the black community, I don't know what does...

    In fact, we're already seeing movement. An ABC News/Washington Post poll released this week found that 54 percent of blacks support the president's stance. It also shows an uptick in support for marriage equality among blacks by about 13 percent since last year, suggesting that, for some, allegiance to Obama may have prompted a rethink on the issue itself.


    Conservative Response to this:

    Obviously, they are just evolving for political reasons...they don't actually believe it. This doesn't mean a thing - the blacks are just trying to use the gays by saying they support gay marriage.



    I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. "Use the gays"? How? What exactly are they gaining?

    *Edit: I think, judging by your previous posts, you're being sarcastic. Anyhoo.


    I am...I'm basically mocking what conservatives on this site say about Obama's support of gay marriage. It's how I figure they'd try to turn this into something negative.
  • vintovka

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    May 19, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    Actually, if Obama and his advisors had intended to do this (specifically sway the debate in African-American circles) it may be one of the most shrewd political moves we've seen in a long time. (If the lack of sympathy for GLBTQ issues in the black community could be exploited by the Republicans to de-motivate black voters, then the president's leadership could be seen as a move to consolidate the democratic base by putting gay and black voters on the same page.) As far as support for gay marriage alienating Latino voters, I doubt that it will be the dominant issue among Latino voters. (I haven't seen any poll numbers to support this, but I suspect that for Latino voters immigration issues are more salient than gay marriage and the thinly veiled race-baiting produced by the GOP around those issues have certainly soured many would-be Latino supporters of the "traditional values" platform.
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    May 19, 2012 9:46 PM GMT
    vintovka saidActually, if Obama and his advisors had intended to do this (specifically sway the debate in African-American circles) it may be one of the most shrewd political moves we've seen in a long time. (If the lack of sympathy for GLBTQ issues in the black community could be exploited by the Republicans to de-motivate black voters, then the president's leadership could be seen as a move to consolidate the democratic base by putting gay and black voters on the same page.) As far as support for gay marriage alienating Latino voters, I doubt that it will be the dominant issue among Latino voters. (I haven't seen any poll numbers to support this, but I suspect that for Latino voters immigration issues are more salient than gay marriage and the thinly veiled race-baiting produced by the GOP around those issues have certainly soured many would-be Latino supporters of the "traditional values" platform.


    Bottom line: the Republicans will lose this issue, just as they have every major civil rights issues over the last fifty years. Time for the party of Lincoln to act like it and embrace marriage equality before they allow homophobes to cosign the whole party to minority status for a generation.
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    May 19, 2012 10:17 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    vintovka saidActually, if Obama and his advisors had intended to do this (specifically sway the debate in African-American circles) it may be one of the most shrewd political moves we've seen in a long time. (If the lack of sympathy for GLBTQ issues in the black community could be exploited by the Republicans to de-motivate black voters, then the president's leadership could be seen as a move to consolidate the democratic base by putting gay and black voters on the same page.) As far as support for gay marriage alienating Latino voters, I doubt that it will be the dominant issue among Latino voters. (I haven't seen any poll numbers to support this, but I suspect that for Latino voters immigration issues are more salient than gay marriage and the thinly veiled race-baiting produced by the GOP around those issues have certainly soured many would-be Latino supporters of the "traditional values" platform.


    Bottom line: the Republicans will lose this issue, just as they have every major civil rights issues over the last fifty years. Time for the party of Lincoln to act like it and embrace marriage equality before they allow homophobes to cosign the whole party to minority status for a generation.


    Demographic changes have already caused that to happen. That's why the GOP has moved so far right. They don't see that moving that far over to the right that they are setting themselves up for extinction.