Right-wing hypocrisy: Marissa Alexander versus George Zimmerman

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    May 19, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
    In reading the most recent Trayvon Martin threads, I couldn't help but notice that none of our right-wing friends has raised the case of Marissa Alexander, a mother of three who was recently sentenced to 20 years in prison for firing at her husband (he wasn't even hit) while he was assaulting her in front of their children.

    Trymaine LeeOn Aug. 1, 2010, a fight between Alexander and her husband, Rico Gray, 36, left her cornered in the couple's home. She fled into the garage to escape but was trapped behind a jammed door, she stated in court documents. She said she grabbed the gun she kept in the garage, returned to the house and, when Gray threatened to kill her, fired a single shot to ward him off.

    Gray ran out of the house with his two sons and called the police. Alexander was arrested and charged. She unsuccessfully invoked her right to stand her ground in court. Alexander's sentencing comes 435 days after the shooting. It took a jury 12 minutes to find her guilty.


    How is George Zimmerman invoking "stand your ground" or "self-defense" when Alexander couldn't?

    Where's the Tea Party on this one? Or the NRA?

    Where are all the people who have so vociferously defended Zimmerman?

    Why aren't conservaposse members decrying the misapplication of law in this case?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/marissa-alexander-sentenced_n_1510113.html
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    May 19, 2012 2:54 PM GMT
    I've actually heard quite a bit about it on this XM Radio station

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    May 19, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
    Hardly the outrage that has been displayed on behalf of Zimmerman.
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    May 19, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    Christian73 said

    How is George Zimmerman invoking "stand your ground" or "self-defense" when Alexander couldn't?

    Where's the Tea Party on this one? Or the NRA?

    Where are all the people who have so vociferously defended Zimmerman?

    Why aren't conservaposse members decrying the misapplication of law in this case?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/marissa-alexander-sentenced_n_1510113.html



    Instead of pounding your chest and shrilly screaming about something you know nothing about why don’t you check into the facts of the case?

    "Because she was not fleeing from an abuser," Corey told theGrio in answer to why Florida's Stand Your Ground law was not applied in Alexander's case, even though Florida's Supreme Court has ruled in the past that a woman being abused in her own home by her husband has no duty to flee. "A judge heard all the facts and evidence and said that this was not a case of 'Stand Your Ground,' Corey said. "You have to compare what [Marissa Alexander] said to what the victims said. There were two young children there as well. None of the physical evidence corroborates her story. There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you.'"

    "[Gray] told his boys, 'get your clothes, we're out of here.' And she and went in the garage and into the glove compartment, got out a gun, got it in a 'ready to fire' position -- it's a semiautomatic and it had the safety off, and she had a round in the chamber," Corey said. "And she walked back into the kitchen and fired the gun at him. He was standing the living room and it went through the wall at about adult head height, and ricocheted off the roof or the wall. And thank God it didn't hit one of the kids."
    The police report states that Alexander claimed she "fired the weapon to scare" Gray, because he was "coming towards" her.
    But Corey insists that "the idea that she fired a warning shot is absolutely not what the physical evidence showed." Police retrieved a shell casing from the kitchen floor, the weapon, which was lying on the living room table, and they observed the bullet hole, which had gone through the kitchen wall and lodged in the ceiling.

    Corey says Alexander had no injuries consistent with abuse on that day. She said if she had, they would have been visible in her booking photo, or in the booking admission report when she was taken to the Duval County jail, "and that's after the SWAT team had to respond to the house to get her to come outside."

    "A person's propensity for violence is only one factor that would have allowed her to use 
Stand Your Ground at the moment when she fired," Corey said of Alexander. "If that's what you're saying, she can walk into a room and just see him and shoot. And what does it say about her fear of Rico Gray that she disobeyed a sitting judge and went over to confront him" four months after the incident -- one that led Alexander to plead no contest to a domestic battery charge of her own. In that case, Corey said, Gray called 911 again, after Alexander "gave him a black eye."
    "I just don't understand where just the one-sided story has come out," Corey said, lashing out at both the media coverage, and the loud cries of unfairness on the radio and Internet.

    "She didn't have to get 20 years, because I took into account their prior domestic history and her lack of a [criminal] record, and we offered her the three year mandatory minimum" in a plea bargain attempt before the trial. Corey said that offer was made last October, when she met with both Alexander and her attorney, Kevin Cobbin, and separately with Gray. As to why she never offered probation, Corey said that Alexander wasn't a good candidate.

    http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/angela-corey-lashes-out-at-critics-of-marissa-alexander-prosecution.php

    Why are you presenting this as a partisan issue in which someone has to take a stand when you haven't even bothered to check into the facts of the case? The facts look a lot different than what you are trying to present!
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    May 19, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidHardly the outrage that has been displayed on behalf of Zimmerman.


    Yeah, it's been about 50-50 Zimmerman versus other 'similar' incidents including Alexander. Might have been some content that I’ve missed. I listen to XM's Patriot Radio, Cam and Co. while out running errands and on the way to the gym or boxing so I don’t listen to his show nonstop for the entire hour.
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    May 19, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said

    How is George Zimmerman invoking "stand your ground" or "self-defense" when Alexander couldn't?

    Where's the Tea Party on this one? Or the NRA?

    Where are all the people who have so vociferously defended Zimmerman?

    Why aren't conservaposse members decrying the misapplication of law in this case?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/marissa-alexander-sentenced_n_1510113.html



    Instead of pounding your chest and shrilly screaming about something you know nothing about why don’t you check into the facts of the case?

    "Because she was not fleeing from an abuser," Corey told theGrio in answer to why Florida's Stand Your Ground law was not applied in Alexander's case, even though Florida's Supreme Court has ruled in the past that a woman being abused in her own home by her husband has no duty to flee. "A judge heard all the facts and evidence and said that this was not a case of 'Stand Your Ground,' Corey said. "You have to compare what [Marissa Alexander] said to what the victims said. There were two young children there as well. None of the physical evidence corroborates her story. There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you.'"

    "[Gray] told his boys, 'get your clothes, we're out of here.' And she and went in the garage and into the glove compartment, got out a gun, got it in a 'ready to fire' position -- it's a semiautomatic and it had the safety off, and she had a round in the chamber," Corey said. "And she walked back into the kitchen and fired the gun at him. He was standing the living room and it went through the wall at about adult head height, and ricocheted off the roof or the wall. And thank God it didn't hit one of the kids."
    The police report states that Alexander claimed she "fired the weapon to scare" Gray, because he was "coming towards" her.
    But Corey insists that "the idea that she fired a warning shot is absolutely not what the physical evidence showed." Police retrieved a shell casing from the kitchen floor, the weapon, which was lying on the living room table, and they observed the bullet hole, which had gone through the kitchen wall and lodged in the ceiling.

    Corey says Alexander had no injuries consistent with abuse on that day. She said if she had, they would have been visible in her booking photo, or in the booking admission report when she was taken to the Duval County jail, "and that's after the SWAT team had to respond to the house to get her to come outside."

    "A person's propensity for violence is only one factor that would have allowed her to use 
Stand Your Ground at the moment when she fired," Corey said of Alexander. "If that's what you're saying, she can walk into a room and just see him and shoot. And what does it say about her fear of Rico Gray that she disobeyed a sitting judge and went over to confront him" four months after the incident -- one that led Alexander to plead no contest to a domestic battery charge of her own. In that case, Corey said, Gray called 911 again, after Alexander "gave him a black eye."
    "I just don't understand where just the one-sided story has come out," Corey said, lashing out at both the media coverage, and the loud cries of unfairness on the radio and Internet.

    "She didn't have to get 20 years, because I took into account their prior domestic history and her lack of a [criminal] record, and we offered her the three year mandatory minimum" in a plea bargain attempt before the trial. Corey said that offer was made last October, when she met with both Alexander and her attorney, Kevin Cobbin, and separately with Gray. As to why she never offered probation, Corey said that Alexander wasn't a good candidate.

    http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/angela-corey-lashes-out-at-critics-of-marissa-alexander-prosecution.php

    Why are you presenting this as a partisan issue in which someone has to take a stand when you haven't even bothered to check into the facts of the case? The facts look a lot different than what you are trying to present!


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    May 19, 2012 5:15 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidIn reading the most recent Trayvon Martin threads, I couldn't help but notice that none of our right-wing friends has raised the case of Marissa Alexander, a mother of three who was recently sentenced to 20 years in prison for firing at her husband (he wasn't even hit) while he was assaulting her in front of their children.

    Trymaine LeeOn Aug. 1, 2010, a fight between Alexander and her husband, Rico Gray, 36, left her cornered in the couple's home. She fled into the garage to escape but was trapped behind a jammed door, she stated in court documents. She said she grabbed the gun she kept in the garage, returned to the house and, when Gray threatened to kill her, fired a single shot to ward him off.

    Gray ran out of the house with his two sons and called the police. Alexander was arrested and charged. She unsuccessfully invoked her right to stand her ground in court. Alexander's sentencing comes 435 days after the shooting. It took a jury 12 minutes to find her guilty.


    How is George Zimmerman invoking "stand your ground" or "self-defense" when Alexander couldn't?

    Where's the Tea Party on this one? Or the NRA?

    Where are all the people who have so vociferously defended Zimmerman?

    Why aren't conservaposse members decrying the misapplication of law in this case?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/marissa-alexander-sentenced_n_1510113.html


    I guess the differential "outrage" in my opinion has to do with the nature of the Zimmerman case's initial media coverage.

    What most heard initially was Zimmerman ( assumed a white suspect) , the fact he was not arrested. And the young black man just "buying skittles" and being shot.
    Then inflamed by yellow journalism on NBC's part by splicing 911 tapes to inject a ratial tone that on its surface did not appear to exist in the tape.

    The facts of course are layed out in front of us.

    The story had that tantalizing sound bites. But the truth is Zimmerman is not white, and the 911 tape is well what it sounds to be, and the case is a bit more complicated than it first appeared.

    I do not think there is Outrage by a conservaposse. Its more of a reaction to the facts and twisiting of the facts to fit an agenda. And yes in many threads the introduction of Obama polls showing changes based on this case.

    I think a desperate part of certain subsection of the Democratic party needed to adjust there blackberry screen before pushing send on the email to go all out with the story. ( yes it was a coordinated effort)
    This story was tragic. But it doesn't live up to that overarching case some hoped it to be.l

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    May 19, 2012 6:22 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidIn reading the most recent Trayvon Martin threads, I couldn't help but notice that none of our right-wing friends has raised the case of Marissa Alexander, a mother of three who was recently sentenced to 20 years in prison for firing at her husband (he wasn't even hit) while he was assaulting her in front of their children.

    Trymaine LeeOn Aug. 1, 2010, a fight between Alexander and her husband, Rico Gray, 36, left her cornered in the couple's home. She fled into the garage to escape but was trapped behind a jammed door, she stated in court documents. She said she grabbed the gun she kept in the garage, returned to the house and, when Gray threatened to kill her, fired a single shot to ward him off.

    Gray ran out of the house with his two sons and called the police. Alexander was arrested and charged. She unsuccessfully invoked her right to stand her ground in court. Alexander's sentencing comes 435 days after the shooting. It took a jury 12 minutes to find her guilty.


    How is George Zimmerman invoking "stand your ground" or "self-defense" when Alexander couldn't?

    Where's the Tea Party on this one? Or the NRA?

    Where are all the people who have so vociferously defended Zimmerman?

    Why aren't conservaposse members decrying the misapplication of law in this case?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/marissa-alexander-sentenced_n_1510113.html


    I guess the differential "outrage" in my opinion has to do with the nature of the Zimmerman case's initial media coverage.

    What most heard initially was Zimmerman ( assumed a white suspect) , the fact he was not arrested. And the young black man just "buying skittles" and being shot.
    Then inflamed by yellow journalism on NBC's part by splicing 911 tapes to inject a ratial tone that on its surface did not appear to exist in the tape.

    The facts of course are layed out in front of us.

    The story had that tantalizing sound bites. But the truth is Zimmerman is not white, and the 911 tape is well what it sounds to be, and the case is a bit more complicated than it first appeared.

    I do not think there is Outrage by a conservaposse. Its more of a reaction to the facts and twisiting of the facts to fit an agenda. And yes in many threads the introduction of Obama polls showing changes based on this case.

    I think a desperate part of certain subsection of the Democratic party needed to adjust there blackberry screen before pushing send on the email to go all out with the story. ( yes it was a coordinated effort)
    This story was tragic. But it doesn't live up to that overarching case some hoped it to be.l



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