NAACP comes out in suppourt of marriage equality!

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    May 19, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
    http://gawker.com/5911735/naacp-endorses-marriage-equality

    GawkerThe NAACP Board of Directors has just endorsed marriage equality unequivocally. Only two opposed! An historic moment.

    New York Times reporter Michael Barbaro tweeted another quote from the NAACP elaborating on their position: "We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law."

    Earlier this week, Jay-Z endorsed marriage equality, saying discrimination against gays is "no different than discriminating against blacks. It's discrimination plain and simple."

    So much for NOM's "sophisticated cultural objective" to "interrupt the attempt to equate gay with black, and sexual orientation with race."
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    May 19, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    The NAACP understands what right-wing Republicans do not: freedom and equality applies to everybody. These issues matter.

    Mitt Scissorhands and the Republicans want to write discrimination and gay hatred into the Constitution. It's hard to believe any American would vote for such a backwards, anti-gay party.
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    May 19, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    I like Dan Savage, but I'm waiting patiently for him to eat his fucking words.
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    May 19, 2012 10:38 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidI like Dan Savage, but I'm waiting patiently for him to eat his fucking words.


    Savage has done a lot to bring attention to gay bullying and deserves a lot of praise for that.

    Savage is also a jerkish, hyperbolic tool.

    #mixedbag

    Did you see this yet?: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2382072
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    May 19, 2012 10:51 PM GMT
    Uh what does savage have to do with this thread?

    Congrats NAACP! Bold step, right step!
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    May 19, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC saidUh what does savage have to do with this thread?

    Congrats NAACP! Bold step, right step!


    Dan Savage and others essentially blamed black people for Prop 8.
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    May 19, 2012 11:24 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC saidUh what does savage have to do with this thread?

    Congrats NAACP! Bold step, right step!


    Dan Savage and others essentially blamed black people for Prop 8.
    At the time he was correct... take it with a grain that things appear to be changing.. but at the time he was definitely correct. Even many prominent black leaders recently have stated that fact!icon_wink.gif
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    May 19, 2012 11:40 PM GMT
    Being on the heels of Obama's statement about marriage for gay people, I suspect less adherence to a purely humanitarian motivation of nondiscrimination yet not quite anything as sinister as being purely politically motivated to maintain a solidified voting block, but more a matter of convenience in satisfying both, which happens to play in our favor. Not a problem, we'll take our civil rights even if they are not offered heart felt & free of outside influence, even if the courts have to rip them from the chest of the American people, you know, that cavity where their hearts should have been beating all along.

    Thank you NAACP for being on the right side of history.
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    May 19, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC saidUh what does savage have to do with this thread?

    Congrats NAACP! Bold step, right step!


    Dan Savage and others essentially blamed black people for Prop 8.
    At the time he was correct... take it with a grain that things appear to be changing.. but at the time he was definitely correct. Even many prominent black leaders recently have stated that fact!icon_wink.gif


    No he was not, and his and others comments were fucking disgusting.
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    May 19, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC saidUh what does savage have to do with this thread?

    Congrats NAACP! Bold step, right step!


    Dan Savage and others essentially blamed black people for Prop 8.
    At the time he was correct... take it with a grain that things appear to be changing.. but at the time he was definitely correct. Even many prominent black leaders recently have stated that fact!icon_wink.gif


    No he was not, and his and others comments were fucking disgusting.
    Well then I guess you should call up those prominent black leaders who recently spoke out on this and tell them that their statements are disgusting.

    Grow up young man. Grow up. And take that boulder off your shoulder.
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    May 20, 2012 12:05 AM GMT
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC saidUh what does savage have to do with this thread?

    Congrats NAACP! Bold step, right step!


    Dan Savage and others essentially blamed black people for Prop 8.
    At the time he was correct... take it with a grain that things appear to be changing.. but at the time he was definitely correct. Even many prominent black leaders recently have stated that fact!icon_wink.gif


    No he was not, and his and others comments were fucking disgusting.
    Well then I guess you should call up those prominent black leaders who recently spoke out on this and tell them that their statements are disgusting.

    Grow up young man. Grow up. And take that boulder off your shoulder.


    Whoa whoa, grow up? Who are you to tell me anything? How about you do yourself a favor and educate yourself before you open your mouth?


    http://jezebel.com/5084281/dan-savage-has-stopped-blaming-black-voters-for-prop-8


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/07/656272/-Facts-Belie-the-Scapegoating-of-Black-People-for-Proposition-8
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    May 20, 2012 12:09 AM GMT
    That's great. I'm shocked that it happened though, considering it's a black organization. Obviously this would never have happened if Obama hadn't spoken up when he did. Maybe it will help change the opinion of other blacks (and others.)
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    May 20, 2012 12:13 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidThat's great. I'm shocked that it happened though, considering it's a black organization. Obviously this would never have happened if Obama hadn't spoken up when he did. Maybe it will help change the opinion of other blacks (and others.)


    Yes..those homophobic blacks hold all the power and have constantly been keeping you down!
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    May 20, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidThat's great. I'm shocked that it happened though, considering it's a black organization. Obviously this would never have happened if Obama hadn't spoken up when he did. Maybe it will help change the opinion of other blacks (and others.)


    Yes..those homophobic blacks hold all the power and have constantly been keeping you down!


    No one keeps me down and I didn't say that. Why must you take a fact as a personal insult?
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    May 20, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidThat's great. I'm shocked that it happened though, considering it's a black organization. Obviously this would never have happened if Obama hadn't spoken up when he did. Maybe it will help change the opinion of other blacks (and others.)


    Yes..those homophobic blacks hold all the power and have constantly been keeping you down!


    No one keeps me down and I didn't say that. Why must you take a fact as a personal insult?
    Because the poster that said that is immature.
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    May 20, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidThat's great. I'm shocked that it happened though, considering it's a black organization. Obviously this would never have happened if Obama hadn't spoken up when he did. Maybe it will help change the opinion of other blacks (and others.)


    Yes..those homophobic blacks hold all the power and have constantly been keeping you down!


    No one keeps me down and I didn't say that. Why must you take a fact as a personal insult?


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    ScruffypupThat's great. I'm shocked that it happened though, considering it's a black organization


    Now why do you think I would take offense to that? Did you even know that the NAACP opposed prop 8?



    But it's ok to continue to smear black people and orginization like the NAACP who have continued to do great work over the years. Fuck you.
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    May 20, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    [SIGH] 2 guys I like, DoomsDayAlpaca and Tropical Mark, fighting over what to me are really semantics. icon_sad.gif

    Well, maybe now I'll get caught in the crossfire. I'd like to get the 2 of them together and do a group hug.

    Versus the reaction I got from the conservaposse here, when I offered to meet some of them to discuss our differences and was dissed. I suspect as much because they really aren't who, what & where they say they are, as for any political disagreements.

    But I get to meet legitimate RJers here all the time (a lovely couple a week ago for dinner once again, another guy for brunch the week before). Yah know, before these Right Wingers term me a "so-called Colonel" and insult my military service, I think I need to meet them in person and determine exactly what it is that THEY are. Agreed?

    And I'll bring my Honorable Discharge papers, and other supporting documents, and see what THEY can bring, that shows they ever served the US in any capacity, that they would dare mock my military service.
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    May 20, 2012 12:41 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said... it's ok to continue to smear black people and orginization like the NAACP who have continued to do great work over the years. Fuck you.


    Your response is quite what I would expect. I guess it never occurred to you that maybe I have had my own personal experiences with various black organizations. My comment is based mostly on my OWN experience. Not that that should matter....I'm not allowed to have an opinion outside of your politically correct version of what you perceive the black community to be. I guess you'll be calling me a "racist" next.
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    May 20, 2012 12:54 AM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said... it's ok to continue to smear black people and orginization like the NAACP who have continued to do great work over the years. Fuck you.


    Your response is quite what I would expect. I guess it never occurred to you that maybe I have had my own personal experiences with various black organizations. My comment is based mostly on my OWN experience. Not that that should matter....I'm not allowed to have an opinion outside of your politically correct version of what you perceive the black community to be. I guess you'll be calling me a "racist" next.


    You who have a known history of racism on these forms? Are you kidding me or something? Regardless of your experiences, these are facts. You want to know what the experience for many gay people of color are? We have to hold separate events because we more often than not feel like an afterthought within the gay community.
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    May 20, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    Again, great news that the NAACP has announced its new policy. Here is an article from as late as 2009 (and it coincidentally speaks to a point I mentioned in above post)...

    http://www.queerty.com/why-wont-the-naacp-officially-support-gay-marriage-20090713/

    "While NAACP chairman Julian Bond managed to give a speech on gay equality that was arguably more moving than any gay leader has ever given, the black civil rights organization has no official position on same-sex marriage. As NAACP president Benjamin Todd Jealous tells it, they don’t have a national stance on letting gays get married because there is not yet a consensus inside the org. Yes, they are pro-hate crimes legislation for gays. Yes, they are against bullying in schools that targets gay kids. And yes, they are against laws banning same-sex marriage, like Prop 8. But the “tense debate” over fully supporting our right to marry remains unresolved. This is problematic.

    As Jealous tells it, he would rather keep the NAACP together as an agreeable unit than divide followers by taking a stance on marriage equality.
    "
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    May 20, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said You want to know what the experience for many gay people of color are? We have to hold separate events because we more often than not feel like an afterthought within the gay community.
    AH! But can you have those "events" within and condoned/supported by the entire black community?

    Theres a horse of a different color.And my point.icon_wink.gif
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    May 20, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said You want to know what the experience for many gay people of color are? We have to hold separate events because we more often than not feel like an afterthought within the gay community.
    AH! But can you have those "events" within and condoned/supported by the entire black community?

    Theres a horse of a different color.And my point.icon_wink.gif


    What the shit? "Entire black community"? Dude, is pride or any other gay even't supported by the "entire white community" or "entire asian community"? How about the "entire latino community", like what kind of false equivalency shit are you trying to pull?

    Hell black pride and other events in the same vein are largely looked down upon by the larger gay community as "ghetto" and receives little to no support. Sooo I'm not really sure what it is you are getting at, but your ignorance is obvious.
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    May 20, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said You want to know what the experience for many gay people of color are? We have to hold separate events because we more often than not feel like an afterthought within the gay community.
    AH! But can you have those "events" within and condoned/supported by the entire black community?

    Theres a horse of a different color.And my point.icon_wink.gif


    What the shit? "Entire black community"? Dude, is pride or any other gay even't supported by the "entire white community" or "entire asian community"? How about the "entire latino community", like what kind of false equivalency shit are you trying to pull?

    Hell black pride and other events in the same vein are largely looked down upon by the larger gay community as "ghetto" and receives little to no support. Sooo I'm not really sure what it is you are getting at, but your ignorance is obvious.


    Drop it, Doomsday. You are on the losing end of this one. When it comes to gay rights, the African American Community (specifically, the religious one) and the Latino community have been historically opposed to homosexuality. It's what lead to the infamous "down low" culture. This is fact. Like it or not..it is. It's not racist, it's the truth. African Americans and Latinos have been, in the past, strong opponents of homosexuality.

    That's why this move by the NAACP...by certain African American Preachers...by President Obama..supporting gay marriage is such a big deal - because it represents a change in ideology from the past.
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    May 20, 2012 2:18 AM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said You want to know what the experience for many gay people of color are? We have to hold separate events because we more often than not feel like an afterthought within the gay community.
    AH! But can you have those "events" within and condoned/supported by the entire black community?

    Theres a horse of a different color.And my point.icon_wink.gif


    What the shit? "Entire black community"? Dude, is pride or any other gay even't supported by the "entire white community" or "entire asian community"? How about the "entire latino community", like what kind of false equivalency shit are you trying to pull?

    Hell black pride and other events in the same vein are largely looked down upon by the larger gay community as "ghetto" and receives little to no support. Sooo I'm not really sure what it is you are getting at, but your ignorance is obvious.


    Drop it, Doomsday. You are on the losing end of this one. When it comes to gay rights, the African American Community (specifically, the religious one) and the Latino community have been historically opposed to homosexuality. It's what lead to the infamous "down low" culture. This is fact. Like it or not..it is. It's not racist, it's the truth. African Americans and Latinos have been, in the past, strong opponents of homosexuality.


    I'm confused...because every single thing you brought up is also done by white me, somehow when people of color do something it's somehow pathological and a representation of all people in that community. Did you not see what it was I was actually arguing about or are you to busy "not being racist" to tell the difference? I've seen your comments on other things you posted and I don't care for your ignorant "colorblind" bullshit.
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    May 20, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    nanidesukedo said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    TropicalMark_GySgtUSMC said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said You want to know what the experience for many gay people of color are? We have to hold separate events because we more often than not feel like an afterthought within the gay community.
    AH! But can you have those "events" within and condoned/supported by the entire black community?

    Theres a horse of a different color.And my point.icon_wink.gif


    What the shit? "Entire black community"? Dude, is pride or any other gay even't supported by the "entire white community" or "entire asian community"? How about the "entire latino community", like what kind of false equivalency shit are you trying to pull?

    Hell black pride and other events in the same vein are largely looked down upon by the larger gay community as "ghetto" and receives little to no support. Sooo I'm not really sure what it is you are getting at, but your ignorance is obvious.


    Drop it, Doomsday. You are on the losing end of this one. When it comes to gay rights, the African American Community (specifically, the religious one) and the Latino community have been historically opposed to homosexuality. It's what lead to the infamous "down low" culture. This is fact. Like it or not..it is. It's not racist, it's the truth. African Americans and Latinos have been, in the past, strong opponents of homosexuality.


    I'm confused...because every single thing you brought up is also done by white me, somehow when people of color do something it's somehow pathological and a representation of all people in that community. Did you not see what it was I was actually arguing about or are you to busy "not being racist" to tell the difference? I've seen your comments on other things you posted and I don't care for your ignorant "colorblind" bullshit.


    There are other people in the world, besides you, besides those who ascribe to your exact beliefs, that aren't ignorant, Doomsday.

    Please tell me what I said in my statement that was wrong about those two communities, which are typically democratically leaning, but also opposed (historically) to homosexuality due to strong religious beliefs...is wrong? Please..do so.

    Latinos and African American cultures have centered heavily around the church. Fact. Religion has been a big argument against homosexuality in the past (and still today). Fact. As such, those two groups have historically been largely opponents to homosexuality as a civil right. Fact.

    Also, way not to quote the part where I praise the NAACP and the African American Leaders for following Obama and taking steps to change this traditional ideology.