The Chevy Volt -- Any RJ'ers Have One????

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 20, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    Hey Guys -

    I was talking to a guy today who had purchased a Chevy Volt several months ago. He absolutely loves it. Said he has only filled up the gas tank once since he bought it. It got me to thinking about my big gas guzzler Chevy Avalanche, which I dearly love, but being a realtor, I fill up sometimes twice a week, which computes to roughly $600-to-$800 per month in gas. Every time I leave the gas station and it costs me $100 it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I went to test drive a Volt today, and I was amazed at how technologically advanced it is. It's like the iPhone version of cars. The price for a loaded one is about $45,000, and they are offering 72 months at 0% financing, plus you get a $7500 tax credit. My car payment would be roughly the same, but my gas bill would be a fraction of what I pay now. I have this nagging feeling that, should things blow up in the mideast with Iran or somewhere else, that gas could go even higher than $4 and my Avalanche would be worth a nickel when it;s all over. So I'm seriously thinking of making the switch to a Volt, even though it will be really tough driving a car because I have always owned trucks or SUVs.

    Any other RJers out there driving a Volt? What did you switch from, and are you happy with the vehicle? I'm on the fence, so would appreciate feedback from anyone who has one, or knows someone who has one.

    Thanks,

    Todd
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    May 20, 2012 6:54 AM GMT
    Bueller? Bueller? Not a single Volt owner on RJ? icon_lol.gif
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    May 20, 2012 7:15 AM GMT
    I'd probably go with the Chevy Volt from a pure economics standpoint.
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    May 20, 2012 7:35 AM GMT
    What do you mean "could go even higher than $4?" It's been $4.30 out here for months.
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    May 20, 2012 7:45 AM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos saidI'd probably go with the Chevy Volt from a pure economics standpoint.


    what economics standpoint? The numbers speak volumes. In fact, IIRC, the Volt is said to take 3-4 times as long as the Prius to recoup the initial investment. One of the problems is that just as filling up your 'Lanche leaves a bad taste in your mouth, GM's cold-blooded murder of the EV-1 left a bad taste in our mouths as well.

    The only way that a Volt works better financially is if you were to lease it for a few years and then replace it as the financing is better than that available for the Prius.
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    May 20, 2012 8:16 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidHey Guys -

    I was talking to a guy today who had purchased a Chevy Volt several months ago. He absolutely loves it. Said he has only filled up the gas tank once since he bought it. It got me to thinking about my big gas guzzler Chevy Avalanche, which I dearly love, but being a realtor, I fill up sometimes twice a week, which computes to roughly $600-to-$800 per month in gas. Every time I leave the gas station and it costs me $100 it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I went to test drive a Volt today, and I was amazed at how technologically advanced it is. It's like the iPhone version of cars. The price for a loaded one is about $45,000, and they are offering 72 months at 0% financing, plus you get a $7500 tax credit. My car payment would be roughly the same, but my gas bill would be a fraction of what I pay now. I have this nagging feeling that, should things blow up in the mideast with Iran or somewhere else, that gas could go even higher than $4 and my Avalanche would be worth a nickel when it;s all over. So I'm seriously thinking of making the switch to a Volt, even though it will be really tough driving a car because I have always owned trucks or SUVs.

    Any other RJers out there driving a Volt? What did you switch from, and are you happy with the vehicle? I'm on the fence, so would appreciate feedback from anyone who has one, or knows someone who has one.

    Thanks,

    Todd


    I thought the tax credit is now $10,000?

    And yeah, I ran into someone at the local store a while back who I talked to for a while and he said 3 partial tanks in 11,000 miles. And he said much of that is putting it into something call ‘maintenance mode’ so he can run the gas engine once in a while. He was a tier 1 OEM engineer so he had some idea why one should do this. It’s not good to leave the same fuel in the tank for long periods of time.... one of the reasons I make sure I drive the old cars once in a while, besides the fact that I love driving them.

    I drive around 40 miles per day so I would be potentially one who would (almost) never use gas. The big plus is you can cut your gas bill without the social left-wing status of a Prius, which may not be helpful in Phoenix. With the Volt, you can still have the green creed without the left wing democrat stigma you automatically have with a Prius. The Volt is a conversation starter, where with the prius, I just want to get around them.

    Can you keep the Avalanche for a weekend vehicle?
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    May 20, 2012 8:38 AM GMT
    Keep in mind that the Volt can go 35 miles on a full battery charge. After that, it relies solely on gas. The MPG (gas only) is 35 city/40 highway. It sounds like you drive quite a bit every day, Todd, so you will likely be relying quite a bit on the gas power source vs. the electric. Based on the published figures with a 31 gallon tank and roughly 17 mpg, with you filling up twice a week, means you're probably traveling close to 1100 miles per week, or 160 miles per day (full week) or 250 miles per day (work week). That 35 electric miles will be eaten up in no time.

    Now, comparing the regular Prius at 51 city/ 48 highway, and a price tag about $20k cheaper than the Volt, the Prius seems like the all-around better value. The 35-mile-all-electric value of the Volt is negated by the hybrid 51mpg of the Prius, without needing recharge at $1.50/day. This advantage is specific to your daily driving needs, which are clearly different than the Volt owner with whom you were speaking. It sounds like this guy drives about the 35 miles per day, then is able to recharge every night, not needing to use the gas engine too often. This is very different than your daily driving needs where you are likely to easily use up the 35 electric miles, then use up about half or more of the gas.



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    May 20, 2012 8:48 AM GMT
    ECnAZ saidKeep in mind that the Volt can go 35 miles on a full battery charge. After that, it relies solely on gas. The MPG (gas only) is 35 city/40 highway. It sounds like you drive quite a bit every day, Todd, so you will likely be relying quite a bit on the gas power source vs. the electric. Based on the published figures with a 31 gallon tank and roughly 17 mpg, with you filling up twice a week, means you're probably traveling close to 1100 miles per week, or 160 miles per day (full week) or 250 miles per day (work week). That 35 electric miles will be eaten up in no time.

    Now, comparing the regular Prius at 51 city/ 48 highway, and a price tag about $20k cheaper than the Volt, the Prius seems like the all-around better value. The 35-mile-all-electric value of the Volt is negated by the hybrid 51mpg of the Prius, without needing recharge at $1.50/day. This advantage is specific to your daily driving needs, which are clearly different than the Volt owner with whom you were speaking. It sounds like this guy drives about the 35 miles per day, then is able to recharge every night, not needing to use the gas engine too often. This is very different than your daily driving needs where you are likely to easily use up the 35 electric miles, then use up about half or more of the gas.





    "Based on the published figures with a 31 gallon tank and roughly 17 mpg, with you filling up twice a week,"

    Doesn't mean that he's running the tank dry between fill ups.

    If used for business it also depends a bit on who his client base is. Pity the poor fucker that tries to sell me something and I noticed that they're driving a Prius or frankly any Japanese car.
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    May 20, 2012 8:50 AM GMT
    Yup, octane degrades over time. But I'm not sure at what rate. Google will probably tell you.

    I don't think the Volt is a good deal, even with the tax credits. But I'm basing this from a commuter's point of view. Since your intended use is to show clients around, it might be a good choice. The Volt is roomier than a Prius. And definitely cheaper than a Lexus GS hybrid. Although the low HP is something you're gonna have to adjust to, compared to your truck. icon_lol.gif

    And yeah, keep the Avalanche as a weekend vehicle, if you can. Trucks are always handy to have.
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    May 20, 2012 8:50 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said@Freedom: So you can't buy a product now because it might impact what strangers think about your politics? icon_eek.gif

    I think the founding fathers would be surprised what you've done to the country. icon_neutral.gif


    "So you can't buy a product now because it might impact what strangers think about your politics? "

    he can make his own decisions and buy what he wants. It sure wouldn't work for me.

    "I think the founding fathers would be surprised what you've done to the country"

    61 GM or Ford products bought or leased new in my life. You?
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    May 20, 2012 8:55 AM GMT
    xrichx saidYup, octane degrades over time. But I'm not sure at what rate. Google will probably tell you.

    I don't think the Volt is a good deal, even with the tax credits. But I'm basing this from a commuter's point of view. Since your intended use is to show clients around, it might be a good choice. The Volt is roomier than a Prius. And definitely cheaper than a Lexus GS hybrid. Although the low HP is something you're gonna have to adjust to, compared to your truck. icon_lol.gif

    And yeah, keep the Avalanche as a weekend vehicle, if you can. Trucks are always handy to have.


    Another one I was thinking would be the Cruze turbo diesel. We're still a few months away on it be available here. If used for just commuting, it would be fine, but to stuff two big guys in back wouldn’t be so fine.
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    May 20, 2012 9:06 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said

    "I think the founding fathers would be surprised what you've done to the country"

    61 GM or Ford products bought or leased new in my life. You?
    Canadian, thanks for asking.

    And I actually applaud looking at this as "where does the money do Americans [all of them, dem and repubs] the most good". I can't applaud looking at a car purchase as another way to reinforce the divisions between your citizens....a bumper sticker, yes; that buying a particular environmentally forward thinking vehicle says which party you vote for, no...I can't get there. (But maybe I'm driving the wrong car.)

    due to 15 years in Santa Monica

    "where does the money do Americans [all of them, dem and repubs] the most good"

    The UAW I'm supporting isn't full of repubs from what I understand. No question that it does the upper midwest a bunch of good.

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    And southwestern Ontario too
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    May 20, 2012 9:12 AM GMT
    Get white. The other colors are so blahhh.

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    May 20, 2012 9:25 AM GMT
    Given that he's in Phoenix, a real good argument can be made for white.
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    May 20, 2012 9:44 AM GMT
    I have a Prius. Never worried about any political statement it might make to anyone. I like only going to the gas station about a third as often. That is a time saver. Another incentive for me was the ability to use car pool lanes on the freeways, but that expired and became not such a big deal as those lanes got busy.
  • ivanuri97

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    May 20, 2012 1:02 PM GMT
    I think the Volt is a good car, it's not the best out there, but personally it's better looking than a Prius. The Prius looks like an armadillo and most people who drive them have the "I'm better than you" attitude. icon_razz.gif The Volt just is a better car overall, my biggest fault with the car is that it seats only 4 people. When I see a Volt on the road I really notice it, can't be said for the other.

    If you are looking for a nice car for your work, shuffling people around and getting decent mileage, what about a VW Passat TDI? Looks good, gets nice mileage, stick/manual is available, and it's bigger than both the Volt and the Armadillo.

    Good luck with your choice, post pics of what you get, keep is car guys happy on here! icon_biggrin.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 20, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    xrichx said

    And yeah, keep the Avalanche as a weekend vehicle, if you can. Trucks are always handy to have.


    That would be awesome if I could do that, but owning two expensive cars is not something I would feel right about. It's going to be really REALLY hard to give up my Avalanche -- best vehicle I have ever owned. But I really am tired of throwing away that much money each month to gas. Thanks everybody for the feedback. I wish I could lease one, but I think I probably drive too much to make that practical. Xrichx, I agree with you about the white, it looks really nice and the one I have on hold at the dealership looks just like this...

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    ECNAZ, I've owned my Avalanche 2 years this month, and it has 35,000 + miles on it, so I don't average 1100 miles per week, probably closer to 400 miles per week. My commute is roughly 40 miles a day, but I don't make that trip every day, while other days, when taking clients around, I drive over 100 miles in a day. So if I average say a total of 60 miles a day, 35 or so in which is driven on pure electric, I'm using about 1 gallon a day of gasoline in the Volt, where I'm using over 4 gallons in my Avalanche to go the same distance. Also, there are days in which I can charge my Volt at my destination, and on those days I would use no gas at all.

    I will keep you guys posted on my evolution from gas guzzler to "green" electric hybrid vehicle. I'm sure going to miss my Avalanche though -- and things like electric and air conditioned seats, moonroof, and the size and ride.
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    ECnAZ saidKeep in mind that the Volt can go 35 miles on a full battery charge. After that, it relies solely on gas. The MPG (gas only) is 35 city/40 highway. It sounds like you drive quite a bit every day, Todd, so you will likely be relying quite a bit on the gas power source vs. the electric. Based on the published figures with a 31 gallon tank and roughly 17 mpg, with you filling up twice a week, means you're probably traveling close to 1100 miles per week, or 160 miles per day (full week) or 250 miles per day (work week). That 35 electric miles will be eaten up in no time.

    Now, comparing the regular Prius at 51 city/ 48 highway, and a price tag about $20k cheaper than the Volt, the Prius seems like the all-around better value. The 35-mile-all-electric value of the Volt is negated by the hybrid 51mpg of the Prius, without needing recharge at $1.50/day. This advantage is specific to your daily driving needs, which are clearly different than the Volt owner with whom you were speaking. It sounds like this guy drives about the 35 miles per day, then is able to recharge every night, not needing to use the gas engine too often. This is very different than your daily driving needs where you are likely to easily use up the 35 electric miles, then use up about half or more of the gas.





    "Based on the published figures with a 31 gallon tank and roughly 17 mpg, with you filling up twice a week,"

    Doesn't mean that he's running the tank dry between fill ups.

    If used for business it also depends a bit on who his client base is. Pity the poor fucker that tries to sell me something and I noticed that they're driving a Prius or frankly any Japanese car.




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    May 20, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
    I'm going to throw out some kind words at you here....good choice! I have been thinking of a new vehicle myself due to my commute and gas prices.

    Currently, I have a 2004 Saturn Vue with 117,000 miles on it. My commute is 40 miles a day and gas prices here in Central Florida range from $3.47 to $3.53 a gallon (for now--tomorrow might tell a different tale). I had thought about a Prius, however, there is some loyalty to my nearby Chevy dealer as the guys from my old Saturn dealership are there now and they know me and my vehicle.

    Two reasons why I hate to give up a small SUV right now: Whenever I go to Costco, I come home with half the place and need space to bring my haul home. Same is true for Homo Depot and other big box places. Also, it is easy for me to get in and out of my Vue because of lower back issues. I need something that sits a little higher off the ground. My Vue is the second Saturn as I previously had an older SL2 which was very low and difficult for me to enter and exit. I believe you are a bit taller than me, Todd, so was the entry/exit easy for you in the Volt?

    Those issues along with service being nearby, cost of insurance and proximity to getting it charged up would be strong factors in purchasing one.

    If push came to shove and it were doable, I would still hang on to my Vue and drive the Volt for work.

    Electric would be one consideration, however, the best overall idea would be mass produced vehicles that run on natural gas. Natural gas is plentiful, cost effective and clean. T. Boone Pickens has a good idea in promoting that, however, it has not caught on.

    Again, great choice. Many positives and the styling looks a little nicer than the Prius anyway.
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    May 20, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidI'm going to throw out some kind words at you here....good choice!


    Kind words back at ya -- Thank you very much! icon_lol.gif
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    May 20, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
    Motor Trend last summer or fall had an issue that went into detail on the Volt, as well as the Leaf and Prius. Might be worth digging up and taking a look.
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    May 20, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
    does anyone have experience with Air-conditions in electric cars/hybrids? Somewhere I heard that if you use the AC a lot, which I think is the case in AZ, the mileage-range sinks drastically and since the AC is used to cool the motor as well, it's rather tepid for passengers. Like I say, only hear-say, but anybody care to comment?
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    bhp91126 saiddoes anyone have experience with Air-conditions in electric cars/hybrids? Somewhere I heard that if you use the AC a lot, which I think is the case in AZ, the mileage-range sinks drastically and since the AC is used to cool the motor as well, it's rather tepid for passengers. Like I say, only hear-say, but anybody care to comment?


    i would be very curious to hear about this as well. a/c in my car is almost non-stop!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 20, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
    Well, we are about to go into a HOT Arizona summer, so I will let you guys know how the Chevy Volt performs and how this effects the batter usage and mileage because I am someone who runs my AC pretty much all the time and on high during summer
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    May 20, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    I will never spend over $20,000 on a vehicle. EVER. When they start making $15,000 hybrids and electric, count me in.