How to get the hope again.

  • kemoze

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    May 20, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    guys. i have applied for a study visa to australia and paid all the money i got after working in kuwait for two years and after paying for the university and applying for a visa. the embassy sent me a letter yesterday says that my visa is rejected because of the political and economical conditions in egypt and they dont want me to stay there after the study. so simply they rejected my visa after i was preparing for it since Dec.2011.

    i wanted to move and try gay life style and come out. now i am so empty and feel no hope at all. i got crazy thoughts. like .

    moving to Bosnia, Turkey or south africa.

    i have no idea what to do. i am now 23 years old. and i think i might get old without having sex or even a kiss.

    Guys. help me out with your ideas.. i just want to go to any place where people wont kill me if they knew that i am gay. damn. i never felt this down before.
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    May 20, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    I'm so sorry icon_sad.gif, I'm from Morocco so I completely understand your situation.

    BUT there is absolutely no reason to lose hope about life.

    Ok so you didn't get the Visa for Australia, it might have been great if you had , but don't restrict your happiness to that option only. There are so many other things you could do , and I don't understand why you said there were crazy. I have a gay friend who went to Turkey and she's having the time of her life.

    Also, staying in Egypt might not be a terrible option after all. I don't know how it is there exactly, but in Morocco , even though the law says you can get up to 3 years of prison if you engage in "homosexual" activity , there are still a lot of undercover gay friendly bars and there is definitely a gay scene.

    So, yeah try to make contact with some gay Egyptians on dating sites. I know planetromeo was really popular in Morocco. Even though I was disappointed by a lot of people I met through those sites, you may meet some pretty interesting people who might be asking themselves the exact same questions you are.

    I hope I was helpful and let's just hope our islamist governements will one day base their programs on the true spirit of islam.

    Good luck !!!!
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    May 20, 2012 5:18 PM GMT
    Kemoze: I'm so sorry to hear this news. No advice to offer - just know that I'm sending a wish for your happiness.
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    May 20, 2012 5:28 PM GMT
    I am not sure the process you tried to get a visa in australia. But if you were trying to do it without being sponsored by a company it's damn near impossible.
    It's much easier to be sponsored (ie already offered a job) by an Australian company to get a visa.
    The hard part is that getting sponsored is really only a possibility if you have experience in your field or are in a senior position.
    This is basically the situation I had with getting work in Europe.
    Keep working towards your goal, get the experience and relocate. Otherwise my only other advice is to see if you can migrate to any other country where being openly gay is more accepted.
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    May 20, 2012 5:35 PM GMT
    Try Canada or Europe maybe?
  • kemoze

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    May 20, 2012 5:36 PM GMT
    thank you guys a lot. so far i have no idea either the university will refund my money or no. but i am trying to get visa to turkey. its an islamic country and i am a bit familiar with their life style and guess they wont turn me down.

    i like bosnia but the economic conditions sucks there and really all i want to do is try to move this year. cuz to start new life needs more strength and its way better if u move when u are young.
  • SkyMiles

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    May 20, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
    Hi, Kemoze:

    Life's like that -- screwing up carefully considered plans. If you can't make your old plan work you'll have to try something else, make the best of it and give yourself a chance to succeed and live the life you want to that way. I SURE never ever wanted to go to Afghanistan in my life. The only reason I did, initially, was out of desperation. But it really has turned out to be a great thing (ha, in every way but the love life unfortunately but it's hard to get EVERYTHING you want all at once).

    Take care. It'll work out.

    Btw, I was just in Istanbul and it's wonderful!
  • kemoze

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    May 20, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
    You guys are really very supportive. i feel comfortable to move to Istanbul. i think i might find gay bars there. i will get rejected as long as i am arabic muslim besides the conditions now in egypt.

    so here is plan B. moving to turkey on a visit visa and them stay there .. what u guys think of this plan.
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    May 20, 2012 6:03 PM GMT
    Don't feel bad for having to postpone your desire by a year if necessary. Exciting things are happening in Egypt and you can be part of it during that time. I suggest you apply to Canadian universities to pursue the studies that you intended to pursue in Australia. You might also have better luck remaining in Canada after graduation. Leverage your strengths - bi-lingual in Arabic and English in addition to whatever profession you chose (and for which you have trained in the West if you get to Canada). The possibilities are endless. Also, I feel sure the Australian university will refund any money you paid apart from what may be it's non-refundable application fee. Good luck with everything in any event.
  • kemoze

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    May 20, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    The Canadian embassy would turn down my visa as like the australian embassy

    i know the canadian embassy is very strict, i tried to get a work permit in New zealand. but its not easy to find a job offer. i just hope i could get a chance to date once in my life icon_sad.gif
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    May 20, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    kemoze saidThe Canadian embassy would turn down my visa as like the australian embassy

    i know the canadian embassy is very strict, i tried to get a work permit in New zealand. but its not easy to find a job offer. i just hope i could get a chance to date once in my life icon_sad.gif


    Think positive man. The first step would be to get admitted to a tertiary or professional education program in Canada. Then seek to sort your funding out and apply to the Canadian Embassy for the student visa. I do not see why you should be refused.
  • Lincsbear

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    May 20, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
    Sorry to hear about your bad news regarding Australia. It must be very hard to have your ambitions thwarted like that.

    Like other guys have posted, you need to concentrate on your strengths: education, health, etc. You are still very young at twenty three, your life`s just beginning! Try to find the best in your situation. And think of an alternative plan-as you already seem to be doing. Maybe further education/training/and work in Turkey can be a step toward your dreams?

    Meanwhile, keep up the exercise as it will help to maintain a positive outlook, which will help you overcome your problems.

    I hope this is some help.

    Best wishes,
    John.
  • kemoze

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    May 20, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
    ReadyBuddy said
    kemoze saidThe Canadian embassy would turn down my visa as like the australian embassy

    i know the canadian embassy is very strict, i tried to get a work permit in New zealand. but its not easy to find a job offer. i just hope i could get a chance to date once in my life icon_sad.gif


    Think positive man. The first step would be to get admitted to a tertiary or professional education program in Canada. Then seek to sort your funding out and apply to the Canadian Embassy for the student visa. I do not see why you should be refused.


    i will be refused because thats the same i did when i applied for a study visa to australia. they said to me that i am going to settle there and they dont want me to stay there. even though i have met all the financial requirements.

    it was visa to study general english and they turned it down. maybe cuz the english study is not important. but i cant afford high studies though. i have a bachelor degree in accountancy though
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    May 20, 2012 8:29 PM GMT
    i will be refused because thats the same i did when i applied for a study visa to australia. they said to me that i am going to settle there and they dont want me to stay there. even though i have met all the financial requirements.

    it was visa to study general english and they turned it down. maybe cuz the english study is not important. but i cant afford high studies though. i have a bachelor degree in accountancy though
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    Have you ever thought of becoming a chartered accountant? If your main purpose is to move out of the Middle East (at least for a while) then pursuing professional certification and work experience in accountancy abroad is a great way to go. Many international accounting firms service clients in the Middle East - particuarly London England based accounting firms. Your Arabic language skill should open many doors to start as a Trainee and once you get a position, the desired permit or visa for the UK at least should be forthcoming. Check it out because I cannot advise with certainty.
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    May 20, 2012 8:51 PM GMT
    Try Sweden or Denmark.

    I studied in Sweden. Huge country with a small population, everyone speaks English, and lots and lots of middle easterners moving there. You could try seeking political refuge. Sure, it gets fucking cold... But the men are hot, everyone has great style, and everyone just seems so happy!

    I'm so sorry to hear the state your country is in. But you can find your place in the world and be happy. Dig deep and keep an open mind. The right opportunity is just around the corner.
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    May 20, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
    Come to Norway!! icon_biggrin.gif