An Open Letter To Governor Mitt Romney on Gay Marriage and LGBT Equality

  • FlexPitt21

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    May 21, 2012 1:48 AM GMT
    Hey Guys,

    I wanted to share my stab at "being the change you want to see in the world." As the cause of marriage equality comes to the forefront of American politics, it's more important than ever that every day people stand up and be heard. Only when Americans see that gays are our brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, coworkers and neighbors will we open hearts and minds. We owe it to those that have given everything for the cause of equality to not be silent at this important time. I've attached a link to an open letter to Governor Mitt Romney on the issue. I hope that it will help inspire others to stand up and be heard, but it won't do much good unless people see it. So please, if you feel up to it, share the link on your facebook pages, twitter feeds, etc etc. Thank you guys... Together when everyday people stand up together we can make a lot of change.

    https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XIpWpwfIUHAXr_qvCc58pRwNSxBCaT0SvBHLylDMdsw
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 21, 2012 5:49 AM GMT
    Nice letter...I hope at some point maybe he might respond to it.
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    May 21, 2012 6:06 AM GMT
    FlexPitt21 saidHey Guys,

    I wanted to share my stab at "being the change you want to see in the world." As the cause of marriage equality comes to the forefront of American politics, it's more important than ever that every day people stand up and be heard. Only when Americans see that gays are our brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, coworkers and neighbors will we open hearts and minds. We owe it to those that have given everything for the cause of equality to not be silent at this important time. I've attached a link to an open letter to Governor Mitt Romney on the issue. I hope that it will help inspire others to stand up and be heard, but it won't do much good unless people see it. So please, if you feel up to it, share the link on your facebook pages, twitter feeds, etc etc. Thank you guys... Together when everyday people stand up together we can make a lot of change.


    https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XIpWpwfIUHAXr_qvCc58pRwNSxBCaT0SvBHLylDMdsw


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    May 21, 2012 11:41 AM GMT
    Well he did respond to it when he was governor of Massachusetts. You know, before the complete u-turn in his opinions.

    It's depressing---the independent voter is expected to believe that mr Romney is in effect lying about these issues as a sop to the far right. It seems a curious strategy to say the least.
  • GQjock

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    May 21, 2012 12:35 PM GMT
    I wouldn't hold my breath unless you're next to a Nonrepublican oxygen tank
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    May 21, 2012 1:28 PM GMT
    He DID respond:

    “that marriage ought to be defined between one man and one woman.” Mitt Romney.
  • DalTX

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    May 21, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
    “This is a president also who is attempting to pave the way for same-sex marriage in our nation by refusing through his attorney general to defend the Defense of Marriage Act. I will defend that Act and I will also defend marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman.”

    Guess who...
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    May 21, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    DalTX said“This is a president also who is attempting to pave the way for same-sex marriage in our nation by refusing through his attorney general to defend the Defense of Marriage Act. I will defend that Act and I will also defend marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman.”

    Guess who...
    MITT ROMNEY!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 21, 2012 1:56 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidWell he did respond to it when he was governor of Massachusetts. You know, before the complete u-turn in his opinions.

    It's depressing---the independent voter is expected to believe that mr Romney is in effect lying about these issues as a sop to the far right. It seems a curious strategy to say the least.



    True. Politics is a messy game. Republicans like Gary Johnson and Jon Huntsman tried to not cow-tow to the far right during the campaign, and we see where that got them. Just as Obama said things to the far left during his campaign in 2008 to gain the nomination and win the election that he didn't necessarily follow through on, it's no different for the GOP nominee in 2012. We all have seen it over and over again that what a candidate says or promises in a campaign doesn't always translate to actions they take in office.
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    May 21, 2012 11:29 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TigerTim saidWell he did respond to it when he was governor of Massachusetts. You know, before the complete u-turn in his opinions.

    It's depressing---the independent voter is expected to believe that mr Romney is in effect lying about these issues as a sop to the far right. It seems a curious strategy to say the least.



    True. Politics is a messy game. Republicans like Gary Johnson and Jon Huntsman tried to not cow-tow to the far right during the campaign, and we see where that got them. Just as Obama said things to the far left during his campaign in 2008 to gain the nomination and win the election that he didn't necessarily follow through on, it's no different for the GOP nominee in 2012. We all have seen it over and over again that what a candidate says or promises in a campaign doesn't always translate to actions they take in office.


    In romneys case, we are in effect required to believe that NONE of his stated opinions corresponds to his actual policy.

  • FlexPitt21

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    May 22, 2012 3:42 AM GMT
    Romney responded to Obama's position and stated what his "preference" was. When there are real Americans suffering, a candidate for POTUS should have more to say than what his preference is if his preference is to deny rights and cause real problems in every day Americans' lives. Follow me on twitter @othermybrother and retweet my letter if you'd like to help me try to do my part to make things better.
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    Jun 09, 2012 6:46 AM GMT
    Children are an amazing gift, one that many individuals including myself hope to someday have, but the ability to produce them is simply not the defining feature of marriage. Individuals get married because they love.


    Exactly. Brilliantly said. I have seen many straight couples getting married, producing babies, splitting up afterwards; just to leave those innocent babies in a disturbed mindset for the remaining of their life. Why this happens? Because the parents never loved each other !! In many senses like this, I feel gay couples can go in an outstanding way, far beyond the concepts defined by this straight people's society.

    Keep writing and inspiring !!
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    Jun 09, 2012 11:24 AM GMT
    But we already know he supports equal rights for gay people, don't we?

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    At least he did, until he de-evolved on the question of gay marriage.

    It is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.
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    Jun 09, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TigerTim saidWell he did respond to it when he was governor of Massachusetts. You know, before the complete u-turn in his opinions.

    It's depressing---the independent voter is expected to believe that mr Romney is in effect lying about these issues as a sop to the far right. It seems a curious strategy to say the least.



    True. Politics is a messy game. Republicans like Gary Johnson and Jon Huntsman tried to not cow-tow to the far right during the campaign, and we see where that got them. Just as Obama said things to the far left during his campaign in 2008 to gain the nomination and win the election that he didn't necessarily follow through on, it's no different for the GOP nominee in 2012. We all have seen it over and over again that what a candidate says or promises in a campaign doesn't always translate to actions they take in office.


    In romneys case, we are in effect required to believe that NONE of his stated opinions corresponds to his actual policy.



    +1 someone is incredibly delusional. Im lookin at you cuckoojock
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    Jun 09, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.


    So let me ask you this - do you think that if Romney is elected, that he will be able to get rid of social gains that have been made? At worst it would be a wash - again simply because of demographics. On the other hand, the economy matters regardless of whether or not you're gay or straight.
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    Jun 09, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.


    So let me ask you this - do you think that if Romney is elected, that he will be able to get rid of social gains that have been made? At worst it would be a wash - again simply because of demographics. On the other hand, the economy matters regardless of whether or not you're gay or straight.


    Let me ask you this. Do you want someone in office who will definately advance gay rights. Or do you want to elect someone who says he will NOT advance gay rights, take your chances, and hope he is lying.

    The economy is improving and will continue to do so regardless who is president.
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    Jun 09, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.


    So let me ask you this - do you think that if Romney is elected, that he will be able to get rid of social gains that have been made? At worst it would be a wash - again simply because of demographics. On the other hand, the economy matters regardless of whether or not you're gay or straight.


    Given Romney's propensity for flip-flopping and the Republican Party's general disregard for gay equality, I would not trust Romney as far as I could throw him. So many elements of the economy are market driven and beyond the control of government and the legislature. The same cannot be said for gay rights. If achieving equality and preserving gay rights are unimportant to you, by all means, put your conscience to one side and vote Republican.
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    Jun 09, 2012 2:42 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.


    So let me ask you this - do you think that if Romney is elected, that he will be able to get rid of social gains that have been made? At worst it would be a wash - again simply because of demographics. On the other hand, the economy matters regardless of whether or not you're gay or straight.


    Given Romney's propensity for flip-flopping and the Republican Party's general disregard for gay equality, I would not trust Romney as far as I could throw him. So many elements of the economy are market driven and beyond the control of government and the legislature. The same cannot be said for gay rights. If achieving equality and preserving gay rights are unimportant to you, by all means, put your conscience to one side and vote Republican.


    Seeing as neither of us are Republican and can't vote anyway, it doesn't make a difference in that way - but the ways that the economy can be impacted by the coming administration are multifold, lasting and affect everyone - just as this one has. This has been one of the worst if not the worst recoveries on record - and historically, the rebound has been strong when recessions have been the result of financial crises - perhaps you should be so curious as to ask why. But to suggest that it's beneath contempt is a bit melodramatic, not to mention myopic.
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    It is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.



    All this statement really says is how closed-minded you really are. Thankfully, you're not voting in this election. Many gays vote for candidates for a variety of reasons, none of which have anything whatsoever to do with their sexuality. I don't see that as being a bad gay, but rather a good American.
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    riddler78 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.


    So let me ask you this - do you think that if Romney is elected, that he will be able to get rid of social gains that have been made? At worst it would be a wash - again simply because of demographics. On the other hand, the economy matters regardless of whether or not you're gay or straight.


    Given Romney's propensity for flip-flopping and the Republican Party's general disregard for gay equality, I would not trust Romney as far as I could throw him. So many elements of the economy are market driven and beyond the control of government and the legislature. The same cannot be said for gay rights. If achieving equality and preserving gay rights are unimportant to you, by all means, put your conscience to one side and vote Republican.


    I will be voting republican.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    It is one thing for straight people to overlook this almighty flip-flop on equal rights, but for gay people to do so and continue voting Republican puts them beneath contempt.



    All this statement really says is how closed-minded you really are. Thankfully, you're not voting in this election. Many gays vote for candidates for a variety of reasons, none of which have anything whatsoever to do with their sexuality. I don't see that as being a bad gay, but rather a good American.


    And again, there you go! Correct IMO. Without a healthy vibrant economy and a safe America, none of the rest much matters .
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
    riddler78 said This has been one of the worst if not the worst recoveries on record - and historically, the rebound has been strong when recessions have been the result of financial crises - perhaps you should be so curious as to ask why. But to suggest that it's beneath contempt is a bit melodramatic, not to mention myopic.


    The slow pace of recovery might have something to do with this being the worst world economic recession since the Great Depression.

    As for the degree to which civil rights ought to influence how one votes, it is really a matter of conscience and dignity. It is not difficult to see that, in the hierarchy of voting considerations, gay rights are somewhere near the bottom of the list for gay republicans. The conservatives on RJ amply demonstrate this. At one extreme, you have people like jockfever, conservativejock and freedomisntfree, for whom being gay is apparently no more important than a bit of dog mess on their shoe, to, at the other end of the spectrum, CuriousJockAZ, who appears constantly to be wrestling with his conscience, but whose wallet tends to win the day.
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    riddler78 said This has been one of the worst if not the worst recoveries on record - and historically, the rebound has been strong when recessions have been the result of financial crises - perhaps you should be so curious as to ask why. But to suggest that it's beneath contempt is a bit melodramatic, not to mention myopic.


    The slow pace of recovery might have something to do with this being the worst world economic recession since the Great Depression.

    As for the degree to which civil rights ought to influence how one votes, it is really a matter of conscience and dignity. It is not difficult to see that, in the hierarchy of voting considerations, gay rights are somewhere near the bottom of the list for gay republicans. The conservatives on RJ amply demonstrate this. At one extreme, you have people like jockfever, conservativejock and freedomisntfree, for whom being gay is apparently no more important than a bit of dog mess on their shoe, to, at the other end of the spectrum, CuriousJockAZ, who appears constantly to be wrestling with his conscience, but whose wallet tends to win the day.


    Correct. In my top 20 of issues though, but not much higher.
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is not difficult to see that, in the hierarchy of voting considerations, gay rights are somewhere near the bottom of the list for gay republicans.



    But you see, this is where you just simply don't get it. "Gay Rights" are not near the bottom of gay Republicans list, it's just not necessarily at the top. This is not just true of Gay Republicans, but of the vast majority of American voters. Make no mistake about it, that is NOT in any way meant to suggest that gay rights are not important, because of course they are, but as an American (putting aside one's own sexuality) we weigh issues and priorities that are of the utmost importance in our own personal lives -- and we vote accordingly. No one should have to be made to feel guilty, or have to apologize, if their own personal vote is not "All About The Gay". So, your assertion that gays who vote Republican are "beneath contempt", in my opinion, is both unfair and extremely short-sighted.
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidIt is not difficult to see that, in the hierarchy of voting considerations, gay rights are somewhere near the bottom of the list for gay republicans.



    But you see, this is where you just simply don't get it. "Gay Rights" are not near the bottom of gay Republicans list, it's just not necessarily at the top. This is not just true of Gay Republicans, but of the vast majority of American voters. Make no mistake about it, that is NOT in any way meant to suggest that gay rights are not important, because of course they are, but as an American (putting aside one's own sexuality) we weigh issues and priorities that are of the utmost importance in our own personal lives -- and we vote accordingly. No one should have to be made to feel guilty, or have to apologize, if their own personal vote is not "All About The Gay". So, your assertion that gays who vote Republican are "beneath contempt", in my opinion, is both unfair and extremely short-sighted.
    And that isnt the human basic of loving another or 'family'?

    Sorry Todd, but that is a cop out and 'beneath contempt'. For what? An almighty DOLLAR? Go tell that to those in Africa living in huts without a damned dollar but protecting the ones they love. It aint about "money".