DOES ROMNEY HAVE THE VALUES TO BE PREZ?

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    May 22, 2012 10:13 PM GMT
    Romney likes firing people for personal profit.

    Romney doesnt care about the poor.

    Romney doesnt believe 10% of the population (gays) deserve basic civil rights.

    Does Romney really have the values to be Prez?

    In contrast, Obama wants to give every American an equal chance to succeed.
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    May 22, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    Anyone like Mitt Romney, who would pledge to amend the Constitution to discriminate against Americans for being gay, does not have the character to be President.
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    May 22, 2012 11:49 PM GMT
    One major difference I noticed between President Obama and Mitt Romney is that Obama is quick to offer his critique of HIlary Rosen's jab at Ann Romney, or Bill Maher referring to Mormans as a cult.

    I have yet to hear Mitt Romney condemning the birthers and their wild accusations.
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    May 23, 2012 12:37 PM GMT
    To answer your question, Yes, he has the "values" to be president. He was a fine governor, a successful businessman and seems like a qualified candidate. When you lie about the percentage of gays (10%, hah) you already lose your argument.

    I'd vote for Romney over Obama version 1, the 2008 version. Let's just give Romney a couple of months, see how the summer plays out and who he picks as his Vice President and allow these gentlemen to campaign.
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    May 23, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidTo answer your question, Yes, he has the "values" to be president. He was a fine governor, a successful businessman and seems like a qualified candidate. When you lie about the percentage of gays (10%, hah) you already lose your argument.

    I'd vote for Romney over Obama version 1, the 2008 version. Let's just give Romney a couple of months, see how the summer plays out and who he picks as his Vice President and allow these gentlemen to campaign.



    ^^^ I agree with this ^^^. I think Mitt Romney absolutely has the values to be President, and probably a damn good one. I also have full confidence that he would represent the USA positively on the world stage. The V.P. choice (I hope he knocks it out of the park) along with his performance in the debates, will be crucial. That being said, I also think Barrack Obama could potentially be a much better President in a 2nd term, than he has been in his 1st, so I could be pretty fine living with either outcome.
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    May 23, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
    Gentlemen don't pledge to amend the Constitution to discriminate against Americans. Mitt Romney is no patriot and no gentlemen: he does not believe same-gender couples are deserving of freedom and equality.

    That position is un-American, and a disqualifier for anybody who takes seriously civil rights. As the NAACP put it, "Civil marriage is a civil right." Romney needs to recognize this so that we can finally focus on lesser issues.
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    May 23, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
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    You're absolutely right! Even a catfish has better values than Romney.
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    May 23, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    Values to be President.....

    When he comes from a background of privilege .... Which is not in itself a problem many of our greatest Presidents have come from wealth

    But when he tells our young people who are struggling to get into college where the cost has become almost prohibitive .... And he tells them
    .... Get a job
    ... Borrow money from your parents if you have to
    ... Find a cheaper school

    That shows a Marie Antionette-ish disconnect from the real problems of the average American
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    May 23, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    Who knows what the hell Romney's values are?
    He's flip-flopped from one extreme to the other on every issue!

    What's clear however is that the policies he advocates are the same policies that Bush advocated - and that wrecked the economy doubled the National Debt and caused millions of jobs to be lost.

    Why on earth would anyone want to go back to the same economic policies that brought on the epic 2007 Bush recession?
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    May 23, 2012 7:46 PM GMT
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    RickRick91 saidWho knows what the hell Romney's values are?
    He's flip-flopped from one extreme to the other on every issue!

    That's correct but it's also irrelevant.
    He's so deep in debt to the fundamentalists that he'll be forced to yield to them on every issue no matter whether he agrees with them deep down or not.

    'Cause the thing is, he really doesn't care about the particulars. He wants the power.





    Very true.
    And the fact that Romney has flip-flopped on every issue in a desperate attempt to try to get elected - in itself reveals Romney as seriously lacking in moral values and trustworthiness.

    It's extremely dangerous to put a power hungry and untrustworthy individual in the White House.
    We don't need another Nixon.
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    May 23, 2012 8:52 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    Very true.
    And the fact that Romney has flip-flopped on every issue in a desperate attempt to try to get elected - in itself reveals Romney as seriously lacking in moral values and trustworthiness.

    It's extremely dangerous to put a power hungry and untrustworthy individual in the White House.
    We don't need another Nixon.


    All very accurate. But I would vote for Nixon over Romney every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Nixon was a megalomaniac, but he wasn't in the right-wing's death grip. Nixon would be a socialists by the standards of today's Republicans, who are batshit and opposed to everything except low taxes on the super rich.
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    May 23, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidTo answer your question, Yes, he has the "values" to be president. He was a fine governor, a successful businessman and seems like a qualified candidate. When you lie about the percentage of gays (10%, hah) you already lose your argument.

    I'd vote for Romney over Obama version 1, the 2008 version. Let's just give Romney a couple of months, see how the summer plays out and who he picks as his Vice President and allow these gentlemen to campaign.


    I'm not sure how you judge fine governorship, but having Massachusetts rank in 47th for job growth during an economic boom is not fine.
  • Webster666

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    May 24, 2012 3:17 AM GMT
    Romney:
    "What are my values ?
    Whatever you want them to be."
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    May 24, 2012 4:24 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidTo answer your question, Yes, he has the "values" to be president. He was a fine governor, a successful businessman and seems like a qualified candidate. When you lie about the percentage of gays (10%, hah) you already lose your argument.

    I'd vote for Romney over Obama version 1, the 2008 version. Let's just give Romney a couple of months, see how the summer plays out and who he picks as his Vice President and allow these gentlemen to campaign.





    If the measure of a "successful businessman" was purely whether or not a businessman makes himself majorly fucking rich - then yes - Mitt would've been a successful businessman.

    But successful businessmen CREATE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES that employ lots of workers.
    Mitt on the other hand - raped and destroyed businesses and sold them for parts - putting many many workers out of a job.

    So NO - Mitt Romney was NOT a "successful businessman".

    Successful businessmen are the epitome of the American Dream.

    Mitt Romney on the other hand - spent his time in the private sector contributing to the destruction of the American Dream.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 24, 2012 5:53 AM GMT
    Mitt Romney has been enormously successful on so many levels -- hence, why he is where he is today.
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    May 24, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidMitt Romney has been enormously successful on so many levels -- hence, why he is where he is today.


    I know he has been successful at making a buck off the backs of the middle class. Bravo.

    How successful has he been at advancing gay rights and same sex marriage?
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    May 24, 2012 12:48 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidMitt Romney has been enormously successful on so many levels -- hence, why he is where he is today.


    Really two points here.... Catfish asked about his values, not his success.
    If you are arguing his has "successful values" than state it that way.

    The reality is, Romney probably has no worse values than a number of our
    previous presidents, it isn't his "values" (despite his willingness to adopt
    whatever position seems to suit his needs at the moment), it is his position on a number of issues. He forfeits my vote from that standpoint.

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    May 24, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidMitt Romney has been enormously successful on so many levels -- hence, why he is where he is today.


    Really two points here.... Catfish asked about his values, not his success.
    If you are arguing his has "successful values" than state it that way.




    Chris, with all due respect, I will state it any way I want. I answer Catfish's questions only when they are worthy of a response -- which isn't all that often. I have stated in other threads, including this one, but will state again here that I think Mitt Romney absolutely has the values to be President, and probably a damn good one. I said Romney is a successful man on many levels, and that did not necessarily mean they were all financially. He's clearly been a successful husband, father, religious man, and I could go on and on, and that comes from a good upbringing and solid family values. I get it that not everyone agrees with Mitt Romney's politics, but he is still viewed by many as a man of great integrity, a success on many levels with proven leadership skills. He didn't get where he is today by having no integrity or values.
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    May 24, 2012 2:54 PM GMT
    You know the real truth here that everyone seems to be aware of is, Obama has been such a failure that everyone is taking a second rate, evil republican businessman, kind of stiff boring Mormon seriously. If Obama was even a decent president, Romney would not stand a chance, he is this generations Bob Dole, but Obama is this generations Jimmy Carter and so all of a sudden Romney becomes Reagan V.2.
    I wish Romney was better, he was an OK governor and while a successful businessman, and a severe capitalist, like so many others of his ilk, he could have been a better "job creator" instead of a greedy tycoon.
    That said, Obama is unimpressive and will not win in November. The reality is that unless Romney picks Sarah Palin as his vice president, he will win running away. You may not like his stance on gay marriage, oh well. Obama did not come out of the closet with support until two weeks ago, funny how that works.
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    May 24, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidYou know the real truth here that everyone seems to be aware of is, Obama has been such a failure that everyone is taking a second rate, evil republican businessman, kind of stiff boring Mormon seriously. If Obama was even a decent president, Romney would not stand a chance, he is this generations Bob Dole, but Obama is this generations Jimmy Carter and so all of a sudden Romney becomes Reagan V.2.
    I wish Romney was better, he was an OK governor and while a successful businessman, and a severe capitalist, like so many others of his ilk, he could have been a better "job creator" instead of a greedy tycoon.
    That said, Obama is unimpressive and will not win in November. The reality is that unless Romney picks Sarah Palin as his vice president, he will win running away. You may not like his stance on gay marriage, oh well. Obama did not come out of the closet with support until two weeks ago, funny how that works.


    Obama has not been a failure in the eyes of anyone who isn't a rabid right-winger or delusional.

    The economy has now recovered in 3 years all the jobs lost in the financial crisis and Obama's predecessor had net zero job creation. Beyond that, Republican governors have been decimating public jobs, which - combined with demographic shifts - has shrunk the workforce dramatically.

    In foreign affairs, Obama has been smart and decisive. And he has been excellent on gay and other civil rights.

    That is not failure. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 24, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
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    Obama has not been a failure in the eyes of anyone who isn't a rabid right-winger or delusional.



    Yes, because of course if you don't agree with a liberal you must be a "rabid right-winger or delusion" icon_rolleyes.gif Christian, plenty of people are not happy with the Obama presidency and/or his performance as a leader, and I assure you they are NOT ALL "rabid right-wingers" or "delusional". Personally, I do not think Obama has been a failure. I rather like him as a person, and I could probably even live with him another 4 years. I do think we can do better in terms of a uniter rather than a divider. His leadership skills (in some areas) leave much to be desired. No President is perfect though, so I weigh all of that when voting.
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    May 24, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    Obama has not been a failure in the eyes of anyone who isn't a rabid right-winger or delusional.



    Yes, because of course if you don't agree with a liberal you must be a "rabid right-winger or delusion" icon_rolleyes.gif Christian, plenty of people are not happy with the Obama presidency and/or his performance as a leader, and I assure you they are NOT ALL "rabid right-wingers" or "delusional". Personally, I do not think Obama has been a failure. I rather like him as a person, and I could probably even live with him another 4 years. I do think we can do better in terms of a uniter rather than a divider. His leadership skills (in some areas) leave much to be desired. No President is perfect though, so I weigh all of that when voting.


    The GOP has made compromise a dirty word. So, thinking Romney will be a uniter is extremely delusional.
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    May 24, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    The loons of the republican party that now control congress would control Romney, he is weak and will fold to their super right wing agenda. At least Obama will push back against their anti-American stance, women do not have a choice and gays do not exist agenda.
    It took G.Bush 8 years to dig us into deep debt and not kill Osama, it will take Obama 8 years to right the ship of state, and he already has killed the worst terrorist in our countries most recent history. Plus, he is working with a right wing congress who is so militant, they would rather see the country become the next Greece.
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    May 24, 2012 4:26 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]catfish5 said....The GOP has made compromise a dirty word. So, thinking Romney will be a uniter is extremely delusional. [/quote]



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    May 24, 2012 4:45 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    The GOP has made compromise a dirty word. So, thinking Romney will be a uniter is extremely delusional.



    I think Obama is probably a better orator than a leader. Romney a better leader than orator. That being said, I think Mitt Romney could work better with both sides better than Obama has proven he can. That is not in any way meant to suggest that I don't believe Obama to be a good president. I think he has been a fine President on many levels.