Dan Savage invites Anti-Gay NOM president Brian Brown to kitchen table debate

  • KissTheSky

    Posts: 1980

    May 23, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    From RawStory.com:

    "Weeks ago, in the wake of an incident in which comments he made prompted the walkout of several students during a high school talk (and caused Fox News host Steve Doocy to label him a “bully”), writer and activist Dan Savage was challenged to a one-on-one debate by the National Organization for Marriage (NOM)’s President Brian Brown. Savage cheerfully accepted the challenge and said that he choose the date and venue, as per Brown’s offer. Today, according to the blog “The New Civil Rights Movement,” Savage announced the details of the debate.

    In his most recent “Savage Love” podcast, released on Tuesday, the editorial director for Seattle alt weekly The Stranger said the has wasn’t opting for “the coliseum route,” but instead invited NOM’s Brown and his wife to his home in Seattle for dinner and then an hour-long after-dinner debate to be taped by an on-location film crew and moderated by New York Times writer Mark Oppenheimer.

    “So, what I’d like to do is invite you to dinner. Bring the wife. My husband will be there. I will hire a video crew and we will video sort of an after dinner debate,” said Savage, “You have to acknowledge my humanity by accepting my hospitality, and I have to acknowledge your by extending my hospitality to you.”

    The debate will be released, unedited, on YouTube.
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/22/dan-savage-invites-nom-president-brian-brown-to-kitchen-table-debate/
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
    Oh THIS is gonna be GOOD!icon_eek.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 2:07 AM GMT
    Brian Brown said to name the time and place. We'll see if he keeps his word.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    I'll be surprised to see if the conservapussies' Brian Brown has the balls to debate Dan.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 8:10 AM GMT
    Can't wait.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 8:50 AM GMT
    TropicalMark saidOh THIS is gonna be GOOD!icon_eek.gif
    This is beyond good. This goes against both of our militaristic approaches to tackling the nation's most prominent opponent to equal rights. This one event could outweigh every attempt on record to progress equal rights.

    Or it could backfire in a heated debate with no civil ending (ie. don't agree to disagree).

    Either outcome, I applaud Mr. Savage for this brave and bold effort to extinguish the flames that spew forth from NOM's leadership against equal rights.

    After all, when it comes to politically denying equal rights to citizens, most of us really are "again it." icon_lol.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 11:10 AM GMT
    Dan Savage is my hero. Love him!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 11:39 AM GMT
    What a great idea.

    I wish they would film the dinner conversation as well. That should be interesting. icon_eek.gif

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 23, 2012 12:12 PM GMT
    I love the he is in control here, forcing Brown to put his money where his mouth is. I read that Dan wanted it to be a dinner situation so it would remain civil.

    It also highlights Jesus' example of eating in the homes of those whom society rejects. If Brown declines Dan's invitation, he's even more of a hypocrite...proving the point Dan made in his journalism presentation.

    Go Dan, GO!
  • KissTheSky

    Posts: 1980

    May 24, 2012 4:04 AM GMT
    I think Dan's strategy is perfect. It makes him look reasonable and willing to have a legitimate discussion, rather than a screaming fight on a cable news show.
    The genius of having it in Savage's house is it highlights how "normal" gay people are. Yes, we have houses and eat dinner and then clean up the dishes -- which is exactly the opposite of how the social conservatives want to portray us: as scary, deviant child molesters. Which is why Brown will never agree to this debate -- just by showing up he's already lost in his real goal to present us as less than human.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 29, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    Brian Brown To Dan Savage: I Accept Your Dinner Invite, But I’m Coming Stag

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/brian-brown-to-dan-savage-i-accept-your-dinner-invite-but-im-coming-stag/politics/2012/05/29/40243
  • mynyun

    Posts: 1346

    May 30, 2012 12:11 AM GMT

    Geez tell the wife to get a baby sitter. Let octomom babysit. Then the world can move off the gay agenda for a day and jump her irresponsible ass.

    Hmm that came out a lot bitchier than I intended.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 30, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
    "Dan — I accept and will look forward to debating you at your dining room table. As I said in my challenge to you, anytime, any place.

    While I appreciate the invitation that you have extended to my wife, she will not be able to attend. She is a full-time mom with seven beautiful children and an eighth on the way.

    I have no objection to Mark Oppenheimer from the New York Times covering the discussion, nor to you hiring your own video crew to film the event, provided that I am able to hire my own video crew to be sure there is no creative editing of the discussion.

    Not that a New York Times reporter would slant the news, mind you!

    This will be fun!"

    HOO lawdy!

    The fear and paranoia is showing through. Project much, Mr. Brown?
  • iowaguy000

    Posts: 62

    May 30, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
    Brown wants a three way
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 30, 2012 12:22 AM GMT
    What a great idea. It will be an interesting conversation.
  • metta

    Posts: 39091

    May 30, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidWhat a great idea. It will be an interesting conversation.


    I doubt it...it is just a pr stunt to make them not look like the bigots they are. They are not going to change their position. Brian Brown earns a 6 figure salary from NOM, as does Maggie. They will not do anything to jeopardize that. They will only do what they have to do to keep the cash coming in for them.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 30, 2012 12:39 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidBrian Brown To Dan Savage: I Accept Your Dinner Invite, But I’m Coming Stag

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/brian-brown-to-dan-savage-i-accept-your-dinner-invite-but-im-coming-stag/politics/2012/05/29/40243


    The castration of Brian Brown is to be televised!
  • KissTheSky

    Posts: 1980

    May 31, 2012 3:44 AM GMT
    This will be great fun to watch!
    One thing Dan is great at is pointing out the absurd, violent and bizarrely antiquated rules in the Bible that modern-day fundies conveniently overlook, such as brides who are not virgins should be stoned to death, children who talk back to their parents should be executed, etc.
    Most of the conservatives who love to trot out Biblical references to justify their bigotry have never actually read the Bible -- they've just heard a couple of verses here and there that support their beliefs.
    I am a bit suspicious that no date was set for this debate... I'm wondering if Mr. Anti-Marriage will check his calendar and discover he's busy from now until forever.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 31, 2012 4:08 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThis will be great fun to watch!
    One thing Dan is great at is pointing out the absurd, violent and bizarrely antiquated rules in the Bible that modern-day fundies conveniently overlook, such as brides who are not virgins should be stoned to death, children who talk back to their parents should be executed, etc.
    Most of the conservatives who love to trot out Biblical references to justify their bigotry have never actually read the Bible -- they've just heard a couple of verses here and there that support their beliefs.
    I am a bit suspicious that no date was set for this debate... I'm wondering if Mr. Anti-Marriage will check his calendar and discover he's busy from now until forever.


    I am salivating in anticipation of the verbal slaughter and subsequent blood orgy. This is going to be guuuuuuud! icon_lol.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 31, 2012 4:24 AM GMT
    iowaguy000 saidBrown wants a three way
    Only three? What if he brings a rentboy?
  • metta

    Posts: 39091

    May 31, 2012 5:46 AM GMT
    Brian Brown has been interviewed many times already by gay people during their NOM bus tour. His only job is to...to keep the money coming in as long as possible and as much as possible. He will try to distance himself from extremists within NOM and focus on marriage being only between a man and a woman. He has been doing this long enough to know how to get around stuff.

    You can find many of his other debates here:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nombrian+brown&oq=nombrian+brown&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=youtube.3...641544.641544.0.641855.1.1.0.0.0.0.145.145.0j1.1.0...0.0.RHNInkVqiKI