Gay Room-mate Spying Suicide Case: Perpetrator only got 30 days

  • offshore

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    May 23, 2012 9:39 AM GMT
    http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/national/6635-ravi-gets-30-days-jail-for-clementi-spying.html

    The fuck?
  • offshore

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    May 23, 2012 9:40 AM GMT
    I hope his butt get checked out in the jail.
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    May 23, 2012 9:45 AM GMT
    There's a HUGE difference between spying and illegally recording sexually explicit activity without proper documentation (UCS 18, 2257). That's what he should be charged with, and it's not too late (different crime - totally legal to double-charge). If he were to lose that battle, he'd face up to 20 years in the slammer.
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    May 23, 2012 10:12 AM GMT
    Im old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.
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    May 23, 2012 10:14 AM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.
    You don't need to understand it. You only need to recognize that this day and age for "the young'ens" isn't the same as your youthful day and age. icon_wink.gif
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    May 23, 2012 10:49 AM GMT
    i think the matter is loosely looked upon !
    he should be charged with the penalty as well !
    moreover some years behind the bars
    he publicly spoiled the life of a human being for makin fun outta it !
    recorded the personal moments between a human beings life & made it public

    that even a breach of "letting someone live on his own"(in my words)
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    May 23, 2012 10:51 AM GMT
    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.


    Not everyone has a thinking similar to what u have (its not bad)
    but for some they can't handle it
    maybe coz they dont want their parents to face after so much of stuffs proving what actually happened & not just a rumor

    & if someone must have spied on me too, i definitely would have been embarrassed
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    May 23, 2012 11:26 AM GMT
    Sam_u_el said
    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.


    Not everyone has a thinking similar to what u have (its not bad)
    but for some they can't handle it
    maybe coz they dont want their parents to face after so much of stuffs proving what actually happened & not just a rumor

    & if someone must have spied on me too, i definitely would have been embarrassed

    Embarassed, yes. But jumping off a bridge. He had pre-existing issues.

    But I think the roommate should do at least a year in prison. Then I would deport his ass back to India.

    And I will say, I wouldn't shed a tear if he didn't make it out of prison alive.
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    May 23, 2012 11:28 AM GMT
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    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.
    You don't need to understand it. You only need to recognize that this day and age for "the young'ens" isn't the same as your youthful day and age. icon_wink.gif

    I would expect young'ens today to be able to take it more in stride than when I was his age.
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    May 23, 2012 12:41 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
    paulflexes said
    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.
    You don't need to understand it. You only need to recognize that this day and age for "the young'ens" isn't the same as your youthful day and age. icon_wink.gif

    I would expect young'ens today to be able to take it more in stride than when I was his age.


    What we had to endure (aka, take in stride) when we were young isn't acceptable in today's society, which is why I support and expect a certain level of political correctness in America's educational system.

    And you can't compare what you had to tolerate in school to what today's LGBT have to endure. You didn't have to worry about being recorded and having that recording distributed to the masses in a matter of seconds.

    Today, the internet + web cams + no integrity = recipe for disaster
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    May 23, 2012 1:09 PM GMT
    credo said
    Caslon19000 said
    paulflexes said
    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.
    You don't need to understand it. You only need to recognize that this day and age for "the young'ens" isn't the same as your youthful day and age. icon_wink.gif

    I would expect young'ens today to be able to take it more in stride than when I was his age.


    What we had to endure (aka, take in stride) when we were young isn't acceptable in today's society, which is why I support and expect a certain level of political correctness in America's educational system.

    And you can't compare what you had to tolerate in school to what today's LGBT have to endure. You didn't have to worry about being recorded and having that recording distributed to the masses in a matter of seconds.

    Today, the internet + web cams + no integrity = recipe for disaster

    But on the other hand, it was up to older gays to start the gay rights movement in the first place. I somewhat daunting task in itself.
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    May 23, 2012 1:19 PM GMT
    credo saidAnd you can't compare what you had to tolerate in school to what today's LGBT have to endure. You didn't have to worry about being recorded and having that recording distributed to the masses in a matter of seconds.

    Right, we had to worry about a lot worse than having our picture taken.
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    May 23, 2012 1:22 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
    Sam_u_el said
    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.


    Not everyone has a thinking similar to what u have (its not bad)
    but for some they can't handle it
    maybe coz they dont want their parents to face after so much of stuffs proving what actually happened & not just a rumor

    & if someone must have spied on me too, i definitely would have been embarrassed

    Embarassed, yes. But jumping off a bridge. He had pre-existing issues.

    But I think the roommate should do at least a year in prison. Then I would deport his ass back to India.

    And I will say, I wouldn't shed a tear if he didn't make it out of prison alive.
    Thats why everyone is 'upset'!icon_wink.gif
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    May 23, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    This case is so complicated. Nobody argues that Ravi did a terrible thing. Even criminal. But this case would never have progressed as it did had Tyler Clementi not killed himself. I feel the prosecutors were overzealous in pursuing this case as they did. But, that's what prosecutors do. Fairness and justice is not their primary motive as you would think. They offered Ravi a no jail plea with which they would have been satisfied. Ravi, for whatever reason, opted for a trial. Now that the judge imposed a lenient sentence but more than what the prosecutors offered in their plea deal, the prosecutors, in order to save face, must appeal the judge's sentence rather than accept the verdict.

    It is hard to take Tyler's death out of the picture but that is what the judge did. He imposed a verdict based on Ravi's foolish and stupid act. Not Tyler's tragic act.
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    May 23, 2012 1:29 PM GMT
    Punishment sounds fair. He didn't kill anyone.

    If I make fun of a fat person who then goes to jump off a bridge how many of you would say I deserve 20 years in prison.
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    May 23, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    I'm kind of torn about this one. I feel that the punishment was fair. Kids do stupid stuff when they are young, not always taking the time to think out the repercussions. Who could have possibly known that Tyler Clementi would take his own life over this -- embarrassing as it was. However, Dharun Ravi has paid a high price for his irresponsible act already, and he will live with the guilt of this his entire life. I don't see what good could possibly come from this by destroying another young life over this. Very sad case.
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    May 23, 2012 1:43 PM GMT
    If you read the new yorker article, (yeah i know, it's long and reading is haaarrrrd!) but it really fleshes out a story that the mainstream video media typically glossed over and dumbed down so the moron masses could digest it.

    Clementi had serious issues long before Ravi entered the scene. As wrong as it was, having his privacy violated was not the sole reason he took his life. I think the sentence was a little light but college kids do alot of stupid things including videotaping everything and putting it all on the internet. By and large the post paris hilton crowd assumes everything is public domain now.

    For me the disturbing part was how cold, and composed Ravi seemed during the trial, and even at the sentencing hearing. I realize not apoligizing for his actions is part legal manuvering, but he really seemed indifferent. I wouldn't expect a 19yo to be that emotionally detached.
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    May 23, 2012 1:47 PM GMT
    The $10,000.00 should go to an anti-bullying foundation or a GSA organization, or some group aong those lines.
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    May 23, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
    I was shocked that Ravi did not address the court at sentencing. Whether he did this on advice of counsel or on his on initiative was a mistake. Yet, no matter what he said would not have affected the percieved opinions of the public nor would it have affected the verdict.
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    May 23, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
    gem01 saidI was shocked that Ravi did not address the court at sentencing. Whether he did this on advice of counsel or on his on initiative was a mistake. Yet, no matter what he said would not have affected the percieved opinions of the public nor would it have affected the verdict.


    He was on trial for violation of privacy not murder so he may have been advised not to speak on the suicide. The way the lawyers might see it is why say sorry for something you didn't do.
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    May 23, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    AT LEAST one year in jail would had been much more correct, IMO.
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    May 23, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
    thadjock said

    For me the disturbing part was how cold, and composed Ravi seemed during the trial, and even at the sentencing hearing. I realize not apoligizing for his actions is part legal manuvering, but he really seemed indifferent. I wouldn't expect a 19yo to be that emotionally detached.



    That might be how he copes with trauma. Backlashes, possible death threats and hated by a majority of people he doesn't even know. He lost a lot of weight throughout these two years as well.
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    May 23, 2012 2:17 PM GMT
    offshore saidI hope his butt get checked out in the jail.

    It likely will.

    When I tried to donate blood in 2001 following 9/11 (and was subsequently barred for life for admitting I'm gay), one of the screening questions involved prison. It asked if I had ever been jailed for more than 72 HOURS (I hadn't).

    I was a bit surprised, and asked why this was a question. I was told that the probability of male rape after 72 hours, when most new prisoners enter the general population following initial administrative segregation, was very high. And hence the HIV risk for them was high.

    Some justice & prison system the US has, where anal rape can get you put in jail, but is an accepted practice once you're in there. icon_razz.gif
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    May 23, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    ATC84 saidPunishment sounds fair. He didn't kill anyone.

    If I make fun of a fat person who then goes to jump off a bridge how many of you would say I deserve 20 years in prison.


    You're comparing obesity to a sexual orientation? Seriously...?icon_rolleyes.gif

    First of all, people can help if they are obese, but they choose not to for one reason or another.

    This boy was struggling with trying to explore his sexuality like most of did when we were growing up. Now I know a few people out there popped out of their mom screaming "I'm gay" with rainbows and unicorns prancing around everywhere, but that's not the case for the vast majority of gays out there, including me.

    Almost all of us had a time in our lives where we kept this secret and thought that if anyone found out our lives would be over, especially those that come from a religious background and thought they would be shunned from their own family. And for this kid to get outted not only to his family and close friends, but to the whole world within a matter of seconds... you think that he should just grow a pair and get over it?

    I know that the Newyorker article said he had issues before this invasion of privacy came about, but this case to me is the emotional equivalent to Jigsaw from the Saw movies. He never killed any of those people, but he set it up so that they would kill themselves, and for that, I think the perp deserves way more than even a year in jail.
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    May 23, 2012 2:34 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
    paulflexes said
    Caslon19000 saidIm old. But I dont understand jumping off a bridge cuz someone spied on you in this day and age.
    You don't need to understand it. You only need to recognize that this day and age for "the young'ens" isn't the same as your youthful day and age. icon_wink.gif

    I would expect young'ens today to be able to take it more in stride than when I was his age.
    Expectation =/= reality.