Florida - major swing state, Romney up by 6 points by Quinnipiac (and this is not even a Likely Voter poll)

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    May 23, 2012 1:28 PM GMT
    Note: This is a poll of registered voters. If it had been likely voters, Romney's lead would probably be several points higher. (LV polls generally favor Republicans by a few points compared to RV.)

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/florida/release-detail?ReleaseID=1752

    May 23, 2012 - Romney Up 6 Points In Florida, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Rubio Has Little Impact As GOP Running Mate

    Gov. Mitt Romney holds a 47 - 41 percent lead over President Barack Obama in Florida, where 63 percent of voters say the president's support of same-sex marriage will not affect their vote, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Another 25 - 11 percent of voters, including 23 - 9 percent among independent voters, say Obama's support of gay marriage makes them less likely to support his candidacy.

    Adding Florida U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio to the GOP ticket would give the Republican Romney/Rubio team a 49 - 41 percent lead over President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden.

    Romney's lead in the horse race compares to a 44 - 43 percent tie in a May 3 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University and a 49 - 42 percent Obama lead March 28.

    Florida registered voters say 52 - 44 percent that the president does not deserve a second term in the Oval Office and by 52 - 44 percent give him a thumbs-down on his job approval.

    "Gov. Mitt Romney has slipped into the lead in Florida and that standing is confirmed by his much better numbers than the president when voters are asked whether they view the candidates favorably or unfavorably. They view Romney favorably 44 - 35 percent, while Obama gets a negative 45 - 50 percent favorability," said Peter A. Brown, assistant vice president of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

    "The overall picture in Florida is positive for Romney, who is ahead 50 - 37 percent among men, while women are divided 44 - 45 percent. And the president is getting just 33 percent of white votes, compared to 85 percent of black votes and 42 percent of Hispanic votes."

    With the bitter GOP primaries now behind him, Romney is winning Republicans 91 - 3 percent and independent voters 44 - 36 percent, while losing Democrats 87 - 4 percent.

    In the Romney/Rubio race verses Obama/Biden, independent voters back the Republican ticket 46 - 37 percent.

    Separate from their favorable opinion, Florida voters say 76 - 21 percent that Obama is a likeable person, compared to 58 - 30 percent for Romney. Even Republicans say 58 - 38 percent that Obama is likeable, while Democrats say 55 - 33 percent that Romney is not likeable. Independent voters say 73 - 23 percent that Obama is likeable and 58 - 31 percent that Romney is likeable.

    Romney is viewed as better able to handle the economy, 50 - 40 percent.

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    May 23, 2012 1:32 PM GMT
    with 7% unsure.

    Quit conveniently leaving out ALL the information.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 23, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidwith 7% unsure.

    Quit conveniently leaving out ALL the information.icon_rolleyes.gif

    Historically, except with Bush in 2004, the undecided ultimately go significantly against the incumbent. Simple explanation - if the incumbent hasn't sold them in 3.5 years, unlikely he will ultimately make the sale. So that is even more bad news for Obama.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 23, 2012 1:45 PM GMT
    I don't believe any polls. They should all be taken with a grain of salt. So much has still to unfold --- V.P. choice, conventions, Presidential debates -- that will change things one way or the other.
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    May 23, 2012 1:45 PM GMT
    The whole poll thing is becoming tedious. It's far too early for them to be truly accurate.

    I saw a nearly identical poll yesterday that said the exact opposite. Or there's the poll that says Obama is in a statistical dead heat with Romney in Tennessee of all places.

    Nothing personal to you, John, as both sides are doing it.
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    May 23, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't believe any polls. They should all be taken with a grain of salt. So much has still to unfold --- V.P. choice, conventions, Presidential debates -- that will change things one way or the other.

    Polls show trends and are point in time measures. No one would seriously state the polls will guarantee what will happen in November, but they are valid if done properly and interpreted appropriately.
  • thadjock

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    May 23, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    in the interest of full disclosure: i voted for Obama in 08 and i will vote for Obama in Nov.

    Right now, the tide does seem to be turning against him, but the dude's got game. I can't count the number of times i was convinced he fukd himself out of the 08 nomination, and everytime i thought he was making the wrong move, turns out he did exactly what he needed to do to win.

    I think it actually works in Obama's favor to have Romney see some big poll numbers and get over confident this early in the game. And Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process? Being a CEO in pvt business is the polar opposite of being POTUS of the free world.

    The only thing Romney ever talks about is his brilliant bain capital career, you'll notice he never mentions his actual political career in MA....

    hmm, so he'd rather present himself as a greedy bastard wall streeter in this economy, than own his leadership record in MA......

    and we're gonna put this guy in the drivers seat for 4 yrs? no thanks.
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    May 23, 2012 2:15 PM GMT
    "Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill
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    May 23, 2012 2:17 PM GMT
    thadjock saidin the interest of full disclosure: i voted for Obama in 08 and i will vote for Obama in Nov.

    Right now, the tide does seem to be turning against him, but the dude's got game. I can't count the number of times i was convinced he fukd himself out of the 08 nomination, and everytime i thought he was making the wrong move, turns out he did exactly what he needed to do to win.

    I think it actually works in Obama's favor to have Romney see some big poll numbers and get over confident this early in the game. And Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process? Being a CEO in pvt business is the polar opposite of being POTUS of the free world.

    The only thing Romney ever talks about is his brilliant bain capital career, you'll notice he never mentions his actual political career in MA....

    hmm, so he'd rather present himself as a greedy bastard wall streeter in this economy, than own his leadership record in MA......

    and we're gonna put this guy in the drivers seat for 4 yrs? no thanks.



    I don't think there is any question whatsoever that, while people may not agree with some of his political views, Mitt Romney is certainly equipped to be President should he get elected. His background and work experience far exceeds anything Barrack Obama had to prepare him, though that doesn't necessarily mean that would make him a better President.
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    May 23, 2012 2:18 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill



    Not to mention that he did it time and time again in Massachusetts against a democratic state congress that included Ted Kennedy.
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    May 23, 2012 2:22 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill



    Not to mention that he did it time and time again in Massachusetts against a democratic state congress that included Ted Kennedy.


    He seems to very good at that. That is one of Obama's big weaknesses.

    You and I certainly know how important it is ..... to get what you want (mostly) and yet the other side also feels like a winner.
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    May 23, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill


    draining the equity out of distressed and bankrupt companies isn't really negotiating, it' s more like pillaging. they don't call it vulture capitalism for nothing.

    if Romney's elected and pushes through the slash and burn austerity budget proposed by that little nerd/elf paul ryan, the US will be Greece in 2 yrs

    the economy is in the recovery room, cutting all spending will put it in the morgue.

    listen to paul krugman. he's right.
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    May 23, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    thadjock said...I think it actually works in Obama's favor to have Romney see some big poll numbers and get over confident this early in the game. And Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process? Being a CEO in pvt business is the polar opposite of being POTUS of the free world....

    First of all, I don't think anyone is going to be overconfident.

    Second, successful PE firms don't work the way you suggest. This thread has a message about 9 down from the top that discusses the basics of PE. Or you can see the short WSJ article on the topic.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2385839/
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303360504577412403839709854.html?mod=ITP_opinion_2

    Third, while the objectives of being a CEO of a PE firm are different than POTUS, the skills that carry over are 1) Executive ability, 2) leadership, and 3) Detailed understanding how the private sector works. If you compare Romney's credentials with Obama's to me the comparison is one sided.

    PS Krugman is an ideologue. The spending he advocates pushes us down the road many European countries are having to deal with. (From one Suzuki owner to another GSX-R1000 - that should give me some credibility, right? )
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    May 23, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill



    Not to mention that he did it time and time again in Massachusetts against a democratic state congress that included Ted Kennedy.



    Funny though, as POTUS, 36 was one of the better negotiators, and of course 40 and 42.
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    May 23, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill


    draining the equity out of distressed and bankrupt companies isn't really negotiating, it' s more like pillaging. they don't call it vulture capitalism for nothing.

    if Romney's elected and pushes through the slash and burn austerity budget proposed by that little nerd/elf paul ryan, the US will be Greece in 2 yrs

    the economy is in the recovery room, cutting all spending will put it in the morgue.

    listen to paul krugman. he's right.


    "draining the equity out of distressed and bankrupt companies isn't really negotiating"

    So that's what happened to Staples? And Sports Authority?
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    May 23, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill



    Not to mention that he did it time and time again in Massachusetts against a democratic state congress that included Ted Kennedy.


    yeah he brilliantly negotiated MA into obama-care v.1

    I"m actually not very worried about a Romney presidency. he's ALOT more moderate than he has the right convinced he is. the perfect trojan horse.....with great hair.
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    May 23, 2012 2:45 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill



    Not to mention that he did it time and time again in Massachusetts against a democratic state congress that included Ted Kennedy.


    yeah he brilliantly negotiated MA into obama-care v.1

    I"m actually not very worried about a Romney presidency. he's ALOT more moderate than he has the right convinced he is. the perfect trojan horse.....with great hair.


    True, he's a closet moderate/liberal, but I think he can be an effective president due to the above mentioned skills.
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    May 23, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    This lead too, SHALL PASS !! Its is afterall just a poll and 5 months premature.
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    May 23, 2012 7:18 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill



    Not to mention that he did it time and time again in Massachusetts against a democratic state congress that included Ted Kennedy.


    yeah he brilliantly negotiated MA into obama-care v.1

    I"m actually not very worried about a Romney presidency. he's ALOT more moderate than he has the right convinced he is. the perfect trojan horse.....with great hair.

    If elected, I think he will focus on the economy and not give emphasis to the social issues of the far right.
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    May 23, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    freedomisntfree said"Really: how the hell does being wildly successful at the pvt equity game cannibalising business for profit, equip you with a skillset to wrangle a bill through a deadlocked legislation process?"


    The art of negotiating is a very important skill


    draining the equity out of distressed and bankrupt companies isn't really negotiating, it' s more like pillaging. they don't call it vulture capitalism for nothing.


    listen to paul krugman. he's right.



    If a company is distress or bankrupt, there are 0 jobs going forward. If the company is restructured and some are saved that is a positive thing.

    If the companies had a stable situation they would be able to raise capital without help, and in most cases would not be "for sale".

    We can talk about this more if you like.
  • thadjock

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    May 23, 2012 11:59 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said

    "draining the equity out of distressed and bankrupt companies isn't really negotiating"

    So that's what happened to Staples? And Sports Authority?


    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/romneys-shaky-job-claims/
  • jock_1

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    May 24, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    No matter how much the democrats ignore the elephant in the room, Romney needs to stick to the main issue with Americans.... the economy and jobs. If he keeps hammering Obama on the economy and jobs i think he wins. Obama can't defend his recprd on those issues.
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    May 24, 2012 12:40 AM GMT
    jock_1 saidNo matter how much the democrats ignore the elephant in the room, Romney needs to stick to the main issue with Americans.... the economy and jobs. If he keeps hammering Obama on the economy and jobs i think he wins. Obama can't defend his recprd on those issues.


    i'm just glad the republicans nominated the most liberal elephant in the room.

    today Romney guaranteed 6% unemployment if he's elected, he might as well go all in and promise us $2.50/gal gas too.
  • Webster666

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    May 24, 2012 3:14 AM GMT
    Wait until the Democratic Super PACs inform the voters that Romney (being a Mormon) is not a Christian.
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    May 24, 2012 5:49 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidWait until the Democratic Super PACs inform the voters that Romney (being a Mormon) is not a Christian.



    I think if this were going to be all that big of an issue, Romney would never have gotten the nomination in the first place. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone being a Mormon. Mitt Romney's marriage, his family, and his commitment to his religion exudes "family values", and at the end of the day, that will carry far more weight. Also, it would be kind of silly for the Super Pacs to shoot themselves in the foot with ads about Mormonism that would also insult one of their own --- Harry Reid.