Canada's newest 21 yo liberal-socialist political prodigy

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    May 24, 2012 12:52 AM GMT
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18164796

    Mr Nadeau-Dubois, a 21-year-old history student at the University of Quebec in Montreal, has shot to prominence with his fiery rhetoric and bad-boy intransigence, exhibited at rallies and on chat shows alike.


    anddd he's gooorjyas!

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    Some worry Nadeau-Dubois has developed a cult of personality - but he knows how to work a crowd

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    "Even within the student movement, there has been debate over the cult of personality that has developed around him," says Lea Clermont-Dion, another activist.

    "A lot of importance has been attached to him because of his charisma and his eloquence," she says.

    "If he's become a sex symbol, that's all well and good, but I think it's ridiculous."
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    May 24, 2012 1:28 AM GMT
    I wanna kill him and all his fucking hipster cunty friends.
  • Jonno11

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    May 24, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    Yeah, no sympathy for them whatsoever, they are being spoiled bitches. All this over a 250$ per year tuition increase? FUCK OFF. Even after the 7 years, they will still be paying less than the rest of Canada pays now, and we all know that its only going to get more expensive for the rest of Canada. The gov is raising tuition as a way to help relieve some stress on its budget, and really they're being quite fair about it. I recall tuition raising by $2500 in one year in Saskatchewan. That's ALL they are currently paying for a year of school there. They should threaten to calculate the costs of the rioting and fine the participants enough to cover the cost. I personally favour jailing them all.
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    May 24, 2012 3:38 AM GMT
    I find that I fall somewhere in between the pro and anti tuition increases. The government and student protesters do both have legitimate claims when it comes to their viewpoints (although unfortunately they also both each have tons of shitty arguments)

    If anything, the other provinces of Canada should be asking themselves why they so willingly let the governments increase the costs of university tuition.
  • Cdnontherun

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    May 24, 2012 3:50 AM GMT
    I'm going to go out on a limb here. Please don't shoot. In spite of the rhetoric that the Liberal government is pushing here, there is another side. Are they right or wrong, not for sure. However, during the Révolution Tranquille (Quiet Revolution) in the 60's when the whole education system (among practically every other aspect of Québec society) in Québec was dismantled thanks to several people putting their careers down the crapper, there was a pact made between the government and the people to keep education very accessible by keeping tuition very low. Yes that was 50 years ago and things have changed, but the compact is still in place. I believe that if the government had just met with the students in the first place all of this would be over and forgotten. However, Charest and the then minister of education decided to play hardball by refusing to meet with the students and publicly ridiculing them and they got what they got. There is also a linguistic divide in opinions here which can also be traced to the Quiet Revolution. For the Anglos, this was something that was done to them and for the Francophones, it was a liberation movement. There were lots of Francophones who put everything they had on the line right up to spending time in prison in order to bring about the gains of the QR and they and their children are a little more committed to keeping those gains in place. Finally, I would like to say that I don't really see this being as much about tuition fees as it is the start of a mouvement that is picking up all over the developed world. I think that we are seeing the beginnings of a "raz bol" (enough already!!) from cuts and "austerity" measures that basically target the poor and middle class in order to support the very banks and corrupt governments that are to blame for a lot of the financial problems that are happening across the developed world.
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    May 24, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    Of course if we extend the comparison across the border to the south, it seems that Canadians are paying far too little in general in tuition. Here in Rhode Island, for example:

    "The share of URI’s total annual revenue provided by the state appropriation fell from 22 percent in 2006-07 to 15.5 percent in 2008-09, documents show. Over the same period, the share that came from student tuition and fees rose from 46 percent to 53 percent."

    So do the protesters have any point? When should people go out and protest? Based on our experience here it seems that you can go on until the "state" schools are essentially private.
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    May 24, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
    Nicely stated Cdnontherun. I think it was hamfisted, the way the tuition increases were declared. Student bodies should have been part of the process. It validates and lets them see why costs are going up. These are students going for higher education, so they're smart people and that should have been respected.

    The situation out West is pretty bad. It's very costly here, but that doesn't mean if it's high here it should be high there. It's nice to know that somewhere in our country education is affordable to a great many that are otherwise barred by costs.

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    May 24, 2012 4:10 AM GMT
    What good is his intelligence if he doesn't use it for anything important other than perpetuating his self importance and showing off to his alumni. I hope he becomes a sex symbol. There is no harder social box to step out of. By his own nature he's bound to fail. To be understood, one must first seek to understand. We're not born knowing everything. The world always changes, and so must he. But one last truthiness for you. Not everything that is good in college transfers to the real world, and this personality of his will land him in a world of hurt. Watch the news for meteor showers. The innumerable stars still fall from the sky.
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    May 24, 2012 4:11 AM GMT
    It has gone beyond the tuition fee issue now... The province of Quebec is also holding hearings into corruption between politicians, construction companies and organized crime. The student protest is really just part of a bigger problem. Initially the students' strikes (like NO leverage, really!) were just a noisy distraction from the provincial government's real problems, but people are connecting the loss of tax payers $ in the construction corruption scandal with the cost of education and state run health care.

    Simply: taxes are high and getting higher, while construction companies and organized crime are alleged to be walking away with millions thanks to political favours where the major political parties are implicated, not just the current one.

    Now it is being linked to a revival of OWS, (banks, organized crime, some will ask what's the difference?) and...

    There are recent noises of support from student groups and others beyond Quebec across Canada -- partly because the Federal government has a few fires to put out in Quebec regarding favours with tax payers $ as well as rumours of election misconduct in other parts of the country.

    This isn't over yet, and with students in Paris, France, New York, USA, and a few other places around the world taking note, I would not be surprised if it will be a long hot summer across all of the western democracies, since Canada's troubles are minor compared to many others'... Hey it is an election in the USA -- lots more threatre to come for America too, I'm sure!

    And, yes, Mr. Nadeau-Dubois is a hottie.
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    May 24, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    JoyfullyRandom saidWhat good is his intelligence if he doesn't use it for anything important other than perpetuating his self importance and showing off to his alumni. I hope he becomes a sex symbol. There is no harder social box to step out of. By his own nature he's bound to fail. To be understood, one must first seek to understand. We're not born knowing everything. The world always changes, and so must he. But one last truthiness for you. Not everything that is good in college transfers to the real world, and this personality of his will land him in a world of hurt. Watch the news for meteor showers. The innumerable stars still fall from the sky.

    You make good points (it'a good to get perspectives from outside the box, so to speak). There's a difference between a rebel with a cause and a rebel without a clue.

    That he openly believes the gov't law enactments are an act of war means he really doesn't know what an act of war is.
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    May 24, 2012 7:33 AM GMT
    vintovka saidOf course if we extend the comparison across the border to the south, it seems that Canadians are paying far too little in general in tuition. Here in Rhode Island, for example:

    "The share of URI’s total annual revenue provided by the state appropriation fell from 22 percent in 2006-07 to 15.5 percent in 2008-09, documents show. Over the same period, the share that came from student tuition and fees rose from 46 percent to 53 percent."

    So do the protesters have any point? When should people go out and protest? Based on our experience here it seems that you can go on until the "state" schools are essentially private.


    French Canada does not compare itself to the United States, They always compare themselves with Socialist European countries where tuition is completely free and in some cases partially free. Whole different mentality buddy.
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    May 24, 2012 7:56 AM GMT
    Oh my the hate and violence the liberals here exude, yet it's OK when they do it and feel that way; why is this so?

    How are they any better than the person at hand?
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    May 24, 2012 8:06 AM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidOh my the hate and violence the liberals here exude, yet it's OK when they do it and feel that way; why is this so?

    How are they any better than the person at hand?


    I don't agree with the hate but your comments don't make sense, cheers mate
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    May 24, 2012 1:26 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidOh my the hate and violence the liberals here exude, yet it's OK when they do it and feel that way; why is this so?

    How are they any better than the person at hand?


    Yea I am so sick of the liberal hipster dipshits running around with their PC-ness. It is ruining our country imo. And regardless of how Quebec feels, they are part of Canada where tuition is not free.
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    May 24, 2012 1:34 PM GMT
    FootballHawk saidhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18164796

    Mr Nadeau-Dubois, a 21-year-old history student at the University of Quebec in Montreal, has shot to prominence with his fiery rhetoric and bad-boy intransigence, exhibited at rallies and on chat shows alike.


    anddd he's gooorjyas!

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    Some worry Nadeau-Dubois has developed a cult of personality - but he knows how to work a crowd

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    I'm no socialist, but I'll share my body fluids with him any day!
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    May 24, 2012 1:37 PM GMT
    Tru_blu and dontknowwhy, while you are bashing Liberal students protesting the gov't you forget the Quebec gov't is the Liberal Party.

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    May 24, 2012 1:43 PM GMT
    Its simple, government educational subsidies are a reflection of the strength of a provence's economy, if the government isn't bringing enough money in, spending on post secondary education decreases, tuition goes up. People in the east need to stop bitching about the poor economy in their part of the country and stop crying every time they don't get something for free. University education is a privilege (like driving), not a right.
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    May 24, 2012 1:45 PM GMT
    meninlove said Tru_blu and dontknowwhy, while you are bashing Liberal students protesting the gov't you forget the Quebec gov't is the Liberal Party.



    If you missed it, I myself am a PROUD socialist but these bottom of the barrel scums in Quebec have put me to shame due to their scumbag behaviors. I know that majority have no sense for their country not community. Simply joining in the movement because they have realized that they are destined for failure in life and have used this to channel their frustration.
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    May 24, 2012 1:57 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Tru_blu and dontknowwhy, while you are bashing Liberal students protesting the gov't you forget the Quebec gov't is the Liberal Party.



    If you missed it, I myself am a PROUD socialist but these bottom of the barrel scums in Quebec have put me to shame due to their scumbag behaviors. I know that majority have no sense for their country not community. Simply joining in the movement because they have realized that they are destined for failure in life and have used this to channel their frustration.


    Then don't use liberal as a cuss word in describing your dislike of them. It doesn't make sense. If you think they're jerks, then say they're jerks, which come in all political flavours.
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    May 24, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
    axbuddy saidIts simple, government educational subsidies are a reflection of the strength of a provence's economy, if the government isn't bringing enough money in, spending on post secondary education decreases, tuition goes up. People in the east need to stop bitching about the poor economy in their part of the country and stop crying every time they don't get something for free. University education is a privilege (like driving), not a right.


    If only more students at my university thought this way. Our Student Union is filled with dancers, social workers, and actors who must no nothing about basic economics or even wish to analysis/think of the reasons why things like this occur.

    I have voiced my opinion multiple times always getting shot down and labeled "the enemy". Had one person say as a result of my belief that I therefore did not believe in free healthcare, access to libraries, and gay marriage. You know you have no argument when.
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    May 24, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
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    axbuddy saidIts simple, government educational subsidies are a reflection of the strength of a provence's economy, if the government isn't bringing enough money in, spending on post secondary education decreases, tuition goes up. People in the east need to stop bitching about the poor economy in their part of the country and stop crying every time they don't get something for free. University education is a privilege (like driving), not a right.


    If only more students at my university thought this way. Our Student Union is filled with dancers, social workers, and actors who must no nothing about basic economics or even wish to analysis/think of the reasons why things like this occur.

    I have voiced my opinion multiple times always getting shot down and labeled "the enemy". Had one person say as a result of my belief that I therefore did not believe in free healthcare, access to libraries, and gay marriage. You know you have no argument when.


    This is a typical response from these so called "libertarians" icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 24, 2012 2:06 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Tru_blu and dontknowwhy, while you are bashing Liberal students protesting the gov't you forget the Quebec gov't is the Liberal Party.



    If you missed it, I myself am a PROUD socialist but these bottom of the barrel scums in Quebec have put me to shame due to their scumbag behaviors. I know that majority have no sense for their country not community. Simply joining in the movement because they have realized that they are destined for failure in life and have used this to channel their frustration.


    Wow, overgeneralize much? There are some useful points made above that I will not repeat.
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    May 24, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
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    vintovka saidOf course if we extend the comparison across the border to the south, it seems that Canadians are paying far too little in general in tuition. Here in Rhode Island, for example:

    "The share of URI’s total annual revenue provided by the state appropriation fell from 22 percent in 2006-07 to 15.5 percent in 2008-09, documents show. Over the same period, the share that came from student tuition and fees rose from 46 percent to 53 percent."

    So do the protesters have any point? When should people go out and protest? Based on our experience here it seems that you can go on until the "state" schools are essentially private.


    French Canada does not compare itself to the United States, They always compare themselves with Socialist European countries where tuition is completely free and in some cases partially free. Whole different mentality buddy.


    Uh...yeh, I get that. My response was to the discussion above suggesting that they should compare themselves to the rest of Canada. (i.e. if Quebec should be compared to the rest of Canada, why not compare Canada to the United States?) In other words, one can always find a place where the individual bears a greater share of the costs, until public schools are eliminated. So my question for those who think that Quebec is spoiled is, 'If they shouldn't protest now, when should they protest?'

    I'm well aware of the politics involved.
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    May 24, 2012 2:30 PM GMT
    If you allowed your provincial government to fuck you up the ass with tuition fees that is on the students that belong to that province for not having a voice to say STOP. Montreal does not have to be like the rest of NA and the rest of NA is not Montreal's problem. I didnt even go to college in Montreal but I fully understand their cause. Oh and please stop throwing around the word "socialist" every time a personality takes a stance that is just too good to be affordable.

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    May 24, 2012 2:37 PM GMT

    Oh Quebec!

    So beautiful and yet so broken.



    Quebec is beyond broke and if weren't for the Canadian gravy train, the province would collapse into a socialist heap.

    The province is trapped in an entitlement mentality which has led places like Greece and even France into very dangerous territory.

    Students: We want cheap/free education.

    Province: We have no money.

    Students: We want cheap/free education. It's our right.

    And so it goes on..

    Last night was the 30th consecutive night of protests. Two days ago, students were walking down one of the main roads, Rue Sherbrooke which partially collapsed later that day. If it's not institutions falling aparts, it's the physical infrastructure!

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    This picture comes from a live feed from the Montreal Gazette with the caption - About an hour ago, 1000s of protesters were marching over this spot.



    One of the political parties here, CAQ, suggested raising company taxes to pay for the student costs. I think that's a brilliant idea in North America's least competitive jurisdiction.

    I think Canada should take the upper hand in this situation. The federal government, a Conservative government with basically nothing to lose in Quebec, should say there will be no more federal funding unless strict conditions are met including signing the 1982 Constitution. (Yes that's right, Quebec did not sign onto the national consitution of Canada!) and administrative restructing of the province.

    If that stance triggers another vote for seperation - let them go. In the end , Canada will save hundreds of billions of dollars in debt repayments and propping up the place.